Hillary Clinton's new game plan

[ProSense]

If you can't beat them, join them

[MonkeyFunk]

1. Sounds more to me like Scaife's plan

[whistle]

2. Sounds like "keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer"

[MonkeyFunk]

3. I'm not even sure

what this has to do with Hillary. Scaife wanted to help with Clinton's philanthropic pursuits, which are non-partisan.

The article says Scaife isn't supporting Hillary.

Bill's not joining Scaife - Scaife's joining Bill, after years of fighting him and losing.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. Should People, Primarily In The Third World, Die A Wretched Death From AIDS Because You Don't Like

Richard Mellon Scaife?

[maddiejoan]

6. yes --

--because it's so much easier to look at the world in black & white.

Keep the black hat and twirling mustache on our villains, there is zero room in the Democratic Party for sober adult judgement!!

[ProSense]

8. Can Scaife give to an AIDS project and not become Clinton's best buddy?

What a cop-out response! Yeah, I mean people should die.

[MonkeyFunk]

9. Umm....

Yes, Scaife can give to Clinton's fund and not be his best buddy.

The article doesn't say he has become Clinton's best buddy, so I'm guessing that's exactly what happened.

[ProSense]

11. Umm...

Bill Clinton now finds himself the unlikeliest of Scaife heroes. Last month Ruddy posted a softball interview with Clinton on the Newsmax site (sample question: "What is the best thing about being an ex-president?"). A worshipful cover story followed in the current edition of the magazine. Clinton, it gushed, is "a political and cultural powerhouse" who is "part Merlin and part Midas—a politician with a magical touch."

<...>

Whatever the reasons for Scaife's change of heart, it's not hard to figure out why the Clintons would embrace a former nemesis. As they prepared for Hillary's presidential run, the Clintons made quiet attempts to disarm, or at least neutralize, some of their most vocal opponents. Last year Hillary accepted an offer from Rupert Murdoch (who always hedges his bets) to host a fund-raiser for her Senate campaign. The New York Times reported that the Clinton camp has also made efforts to open a line of communication to blogger Matt Drudge, who has served as a conduit for anti-Clinton GOP leaks.

[MonkeyFunk]

12. And that makes Clinton and Scaife "best buddies"?

The article clearly says Scaife is not supporting clinton.

[ProSense]

14. Sure it does!

Sciafe rags touting Bill Clinton as "part Merlin and part Midas—a politician with a magical touch" has no impact on Hillary. Is it customary for someone to make a donation and then have surrogates (wingnuts) lauding the foundation's executives?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

24. Do you believe Scaife is "Clinton's best buddy?"

Or is that hyperbole?

[wyldwolf]

5. why did you start two threads on this?

:shrug:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. He Doesn't Like Or Care About People With AIDS, Many Of Whom Are In The Third World And Broke

DSB

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. I Hope You Are Doing Well As You Can, Bro

I'm almost at the point of tears...Back in the early nineties, which was a long time ago, my boss hired a man who was in the final stage of AIDS to do some clerical/sales work at our office...He was a shell of a man we knew...

Who cares if the money came from Scaife?

It is money to fight AIDS that wasn't there before he made the contribution...

[ProSense]

15. Yes, make this Newsweek article personal by attacking me.

I wish you well, but it does not change my opinion. Sciafe's type of hatred is not something I can condone. No more than I can condone this:

"The point I'm here to make to you is whoever you're for, this is a really big election. We saw what happened the last seven years when we made decisions in elections based on trivial matters. When we listened to people make snide comments about whether Vice President Gore was too stiff.

And when they made dishonest claims about the things that he said that he'd done in his life. When that scandalous Swift Boat ad was run against Senator Kerry. When there was an ad that defeated Max Cleland in Georgia, a man that left half his body in Vietnam. And a guy that led several departments ... with Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden because he dared to vote against the president's version of the Homeland Security bill. Most Americans still don't know the truth.

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[wyldwolf]

16. no, let's make your spin of it a reason to attack you.

[ProSense]

17. No, it was my opinion, but this is your best defense? n/t

[wyldwolf]

19. No, that was your spin. And I don't need to defend money to fight AIDS regardless the source.

[ProSense]

20. No, you felt the need to attack me for saying that Bill Clinton is cozying up to Sciafe! n/t

[wyldwolf]

22. No, I feel the need to attack you for implying that money isn't clean enough for AIDS research.

Typical narrow-minded "progressive"*

[ProSense]

23. Never said that. Sciafe should give all his money to AIDS research, but

what does that have to do with cozying up to him?

[wyldwolf]

38. Your implications said it for you

[Nedsdag]

25. If Clinton did so much for AIDS during his presidency,

then why did AIDS activist praise George W. Bush over him?

That's embarrassing.

[William769]

27. Who's talking about his Presidency?

I'm talking now! Go ahead show your hatred for a man who has championed a great cause, your kind is so typical. Praise the BIGOTS (good ole Donnie Boy) and Bash someone who is making a difference. Disgusting.

ON EDIT: and about your statement, as the old saying goes, put up or shut up.

[paulk]

18. last time I looked Bill and Hillary were two different people

so I don't understand the basis for your "Hillary's game plan" title.

While I do understand the basis for your irrational hatred of all things Clinton, I would suggest that taking it to the low level you have here in this thread does far more harm to your credibility than it does to Hillary's.

[ProSense]

21. The caption for the photograph:

A New Game Plan: The Clintons made quiet attempts to disarm their most vocal opponents

More from the article:

Bill Clinton now finds himself the unlikeliest of Scaife heroes. Last month Ruddy posted a softball interview with Clinton on the Newsmax site (sample question: "What is the best thing about being an ex-president?"). A worshipful cover story followed in the current edition of the magazine. Clinton, it gushed, is "a political and cultural powerhouse" who is "part Merlin and part Midas—a politician with a magical touch."

<...>

Whatever the reasons for Scaife's change of heart, it's not hard to figure out why the Clintons would embrace a former nemesis. As they prepared for Hillary's presidential run, the Clintons made quiet attempts to disarm, or at least neutralize, some of their most vocal opponents. Last year Hillary accepted an offer from Rupert Murdoch (who always hedges his bets) to host a fund-raiser for her Senate campaign. The New York Times reported that the Clinton camp has also made efforts to open a line of communication to blogger Matt Drudge, who has served as a conduit for anti-Clinton GOP leaks.

This:

While I do understand the basis for your irrational hatred of all things Clinton, I would suggest that taking it to the low level you have here in this thread does far more harm to your credibility than it does to Hillary's.

Signature Clinton supporter response!

[paulk]

29. and yours is a signature Clinton hater thread

innuendo, guilt by association, and vitriol in abundance.

[ProSense]

34. Where? Show me the innuendo and vitriol. n/t

[Skip Intro]

26. Hillary bashers apparently are now grasping at straws. n/t

[ProSense]

28. Basher? No, critic! What straw am I supposedly grasping at

That I find cozying up to the likes of Sciafe reprehensible?

Bill Clinton now finds himself the unlikeliest of Scaife heroes. Last month Ruddy posted a softball interview with Clinton on the Newsmax site (sample question: "What is the best thing about being an ex-president?"). A worshipful cover story followed in the current edition of the magazine. Clinton, it gushed, is "a political and cultural powerhouse" who is "part Merlin and part Midas—a politician with a magical touch."

<...>

Whatever the reasons for Scaife's change of heart, it's not hard to figure out why the Clintons would embrace a former nemesis. As they prepared for Hillary's presidential run, the Clintons made quiet attempts to disarm, or at least neutralize, some of their most vocal opponents. Last year Hillary accepted an offer from Rupert Murdoch (who always hedges his bets) to host a fund-raiser for her Senate campaign. The New York Times reported that the Clinton camp has also made efforts to open a line of communication to blogger Matt Drudge, who has served as a conduit for anti-Clinton GOP leaks.

"The point I'm here to make to you is whoever you're for, this is a really big election. We saw what happened the last seven years when we made decisions in elections based on trivial matters. When we listened to people make snide comments about whether Vice President Gore was too stiff.

And when they made dishonest claims about the things that he said that he'd done in his life. When that scandalous Swift Boat ad was run against Senator Kerry. When there was an ad that defeated Max Cleland in Georgia, a man that left half his body in Vietnam. And a guy that led several departments ... with Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden because he dared to vote against the president's version of the Homeland Security bill. Most Americans still don't know the truth.

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[Lucinda]

31. You seem unable to understand that the Clintons have a history fo trying to work WITH

those who have a different perspective from theirs. And change minds when they can. And if they can't they try and work around them. It's not really anything new.

[ProSense]

33. So this is an attempt to change

Scaife?

OK! When Bill Clinton says people still don't know the truth, it's most likely because they spend more time sending mix messages.

[Lucinda]

35. Nope. It's taking help on something important, from sources that you might disagree with

It would appear that Scaife has had a change of perspective, but who really knows what his motivation is.

Where you see mixed messages I see working within a system, with wildly differing opinions, in an effort to effect change. With the attendant wins and losses.

[ProSense]

36. Sciafe hasn't changed. He gives money for cover. He continues to support

the most vile wing of the Republican party. Spreading lies and distortions in an attempt to ruin people is not working within the system.

[Lucinda]

37. I'll still take his money for something that important.

I was referencing his sudden praise for Clinton as a changed POV. Which is still suspect, as far as I'm concerned. But I'll happily spend his money to help others.

[Lucinda]

30. Yup.

That would seem to be the case around here lately.

[skipos]

32. I am not CLinton fan, but I don't see the problem.

If freaking Bush wanted to give a money to my charity, I wouldn't hurt my cause by ripping up the check.