Why John Edwards must not be the Democratic nominee

[mtnsnake]

Besides being the only one of our candidates who would be virtually unelectable (besides Dodd) in the General Election, Edwards reminds me too much of that smooth talking preacher sensation, Joel Olsteen, who heads the Lakewood Laodicean Church. Are they related or something?

[WatchWhatISay]

1. I'm agnostic, but I think you are wrong about Joel Osteen

If you only knew how much the right wing-fundamentalist churches around here are fighting against him. His message is full of love and hope, the kind of Christianity I learned about growing up, not hellfire and damnation and Zionism.

As I write this, I'm sitting in a hotel room (my college age daughter had minor surgery this weekend, and we're recuperating) that is less than a mile from John Hagee's Cornerstone megachurch in one of the most gated community areas of SanAntonio. I am so tempted to go "visit" his church and remind his flock that Jesus was a man of peace, he would not be encouraging our bringing on Armageddon as this false prophet espouses. Those are the kind of religous leaders we should fear, not the likes of Joel Osteen.

[Naturyl]

4. Osteen preaches the "prosperity gospel"

Which is not only a blatant distortion of Jesus' message, but also a leading right-wing vehicle to further corrupt American values. I have no use whatsoever for self-serving Mammon-worshippers like Osteen, regardless of what they may say about other issues.

[WatchWhatISay]

14. I haven't seen that side of him

But as I googled the idea, I see that there is some verification for what your are saying. But if you look at the articles that come up it is appearant that there is disagreement of wether or not Olsteen part of the religious right or, the new kind of preacher that will take us in a different direction than the fart right has been doing (yes I see my spelling error, but thought it appropriate to leave it alone.)

But I do know that there is a concerted effort by the fundies to paint Olsteen as too liberal, and departing from their strict doctrine about how they want us to think about Jesus.

[surfermaw]

28. I don't know much about Joel O. howeverI do agree with your post.

[mtnsnake]

34. Hey

Good luck to your daughter. I hope she has a very speedy recovery.

[5X]

2. and the clinton bashers are acccused of grasping at straws. n/t

[Naturyl]

3. Sorry, but this is rubbish.

No substance whatsoever.

[Jade Fox]

5. That's a reason?????

[mtnsnake]

9. Yes, being unelectable is a reason. If it isn't then why is it for Hillary?

What, people can't think Edwards is unelectable (which he is), but they can state that about Clinton who just happens to be the frontrunner? Gimme a break.

As far as Olsteen, it was just a physical comparison.

[Jade Fox]

12. Opinions are not reasons...

Neither are projections.

[FormerDittoHead]

6. You don't like him because he reminds you of someone else. Wow.

Funny thing - I don't like Hillary Clinton because she reminds me of Hillary Clinton!

[mtnsnake]

10. I don't like that he reminds me of Olsteen physically, but I don't DISLIKE him for THAT.

Gheesh

[surfermaw]

29. The only thing the two have that is alike is a very warm smile

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

7. You forgot...

to use the fact that he parts his hair on the right as a reason.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

8. You could grow roses with that logic

[Trajan]

11. This is cheap ....

ALL of the Democratic Candidates are electable ....

ALL of them are decent enough ....

This kind of vindictive message is part of the problem .....

[mtnsnake]

13. "vindictive message"?

You don't like drama much, eh? lol

[Trajan]

23. I think it is obvious ...

Supporters of all stripes find your mean-spirited message here useless ....

It's all about your own ego, bud ... which perhaps would be better protected if hidden ....

[mtnsnake]

24. Oh. Must be I forgot. We're not allowed to say anything negative about the almighty John Edwards

Tough diddliesquat for you if you can't stand it that someone thinks Edwards is unelectable or if he resembles Joel Olsteen. Far more "mean spirited" things have been said about other candidates, so why weren't you preaching your holier than thou whinery in those threads? You can come down from your pulpit now.

[Trajan]

26. As I said ....

Cheap ad hominem attacks against one of our own DECENT and GOOD Democratic party candidates ....

And I am in those threads saying the same thing ..... They are ALL 'my' candidate ...

[slick8790]

15. This coming from the same person who calls hillary the "goddess of peace".

Talk about skewed perceptions, eh?

[mtnsnake]

17. Please capitalize the G and the P when you say that

Just kidding! Lower case is fine in instances such as this! :smoke:

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

16. Low, low, low...

[itsrobert]

18. Sounds like Edwards is becoming a target of the Hillary crowd

Looks like the Clinton campaign have seen the writing on the wall and are now working to destroy Edwards before he gets a full head of steam.

[polichick]

19. I saw that smilin' preacher on Larry King...

And he really did give me the creeps.

[Milo_Bloom]

20. Why can't we stick to substance.

Edwards is unelectable because he is too easy to expose as a phony. He is unelectable because his rhetoric doesn't match his plan. He is unelectable because he co sponsored the war, voted for the bankruptcy bill. He is unelectable because his health care plan is a gift to insurance companies. He is unelectable because he is a cheap snake oil salesman who has managed to fool a few people into believing he is progressive. He is unelectable because he doesn't have any real positions or principles, besides wanting to be in power.

However, he is NOT unelectable because he gets $400 haircuts, lives in a big house or looks like some wacko religious nutjob and putting forth these reasons only serves to fuel the Edwards people into believing there is no real reason he cannot and will not ever be President.

[mtnsnake]

21. Good post

except I hope you're not implying that I think Edwards is unelectable because he "looks like some wacko religious nutjob". I said that I thought he was unelectable, period, AND that he reminded me of Olsteen resemblance wise.

[GreenArrow]

22. Osteen, yeah. I've made that connection as well,

even thought he would make a great running mate for JE, but I wouldn't limit the similarity to just him. Virtually any televangelist or telemarketer is an apt comparison. And if the topic under discussion were simply Osteen, or Pat Robertson, Ernest Angely or Ron Popeil, I'd wager most of the posters on this board would see right through their shit. Not so, apparently, with Edwards. If his law career hadn't panned out, he certainly could have made it big in the salvation business.

[surfermaw]

30. What are you looking for a smart ass ignorant man

Like the one we have in the White House now.

[mtnsnake]

33. I agree there's good promise for Edwards as a future telemarketer

after he comes in 4th in the Democratic Primaries behind Obama, Clinton, and Biden. The guy is a real schmoozer, as evidenced by all his flock on DU who falls for his spiel at the drop of a dime, but it's fortunate that mainstream Democratic America doesn't fall for his phoney jargon. People want the real deal, you know, like Obama or Hillary.

I could also see John making a bundle of money selling gadgets that don't work on TV infomercials, he's that smooth. Edwards and Olsteen have to be related, they're so alike.

[GreenArrow]

45. I hope you are right about mainstream America

not falling for his schtick.

You'll also notice people getting bent out of shape about the question of looks rather than drawing the connection between mannerisms and persuasive technique. He's unctuous and scripted.

[goodgd_yall]

25. Too bad

If you weren't fixated on the resemblance, you might actually listen to Edwards and like what he says.

[surfermaw]

27. Don't you like his smile

Most mothers in the south, teach or try to teach their sons and daughters to smile, who want doom and gloom all the time, we have lived 16 years of gloom under Reagan and Bush...The sky is falling....the sky is falling until the economy starts to fall as it did under Reagan and is doing as we speak.

[Catherine Vincent]

31. I get where you're coming from with that post.

:thumbsup:

[mtnsnake]

38. I like your picture

Two people with real substance and no phoney baloney. I guess there's a reason why they're currently on top.

:thumbsup:

[Bluebear]

32. He musn't be the nominee because he reminds YOU of someone else? Hahahahaha!

:rofl:

[sandyd921]

35. Talk about grasping for straws...

n/t

:puke:

[FrenchieCat]

36. In watching John Edwards at the Iowa Jefferson-Jackson Dinner,

I was asking myself if he goes to the tanning salon? He's relatively "tanned".

Apart from that, the accepting public financing is a dangerous proposition for us Democrats if the man became our nominee.


I just think that the things that he says and what he has done simply doesn't match up....from haircut to hedgefund to co-sponsoring the IWR to constantly excusing wrongness as having made mistakes.

So in the end, IMO, his instinctual judgment is not very sound....making him less than an ideal leader, IMO.

As far as Olsteen, pretty packages with big smiles and the "Aw Shucks" look on the face is very dangerous indeed....especially to those who are vunerable and get their hopes up!

[mtnsnake]

37. I think your opinion is spot on

except for the part where his tan comes from. My guess is that it comes from a bottle. He looked a little too streaky for that to be coming from any rays.

Good post, Frenchie

[asdjrocky]

39. Absolutely no facts to support your statement.

I'm always happy to listen to something substantive about any candidate. I've got an idea, let's pick a president based on who we'd like to have a beer with. That's worked out real well for us in the past.

[gmudem]

40. And he's unelectable because...?

Way to use facts to back up your flimsy "argument."

[calteacherguy]

41. You forgot that he would put the entire planet in peril

by his refusal to use new nuclear energy technologies along with wind, solar, and other renewables to comabat global warming.

The guy is naive and dangerous.

[gmudem]

42. You sure?

http://johnedwards.com/issues/energy/new-energy-economy/
Make 25 Percent of Our Energy Renewable: Edwards will require power companies to generate 25 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2025. A large expansion of renewable energy can reduce costs under current trends, according to a 2006 RAND study. In Texas, a similar requirement achieved its goals quickly with negligible costs through the accelerated development of wind power.

Dedicate Resources to Renewable Energy: Edwards will double the Department of Energy research budget, allowing it to reduce the cost and accelerate the marketability of current technologies to put clean solar, wind, and biomass into more communities. He will also encourage private investment by making permanent tax credits for the production of renewable energy; they currently expire at the end of 2008.


Just becase you may not like him doesn't mean you can just make up stuff about him.

[JI7]

43. i think you are jealous of Edwards' beauty

as for Osteen, he is just totally creepy.

[Clark2008]

44. I don't think he's unelectable because he reminds of of Joel Olsteen.

I think he's unelectable because he's too wishy-washy, has backtraced on his entire Senate career, and comes across as phony as the day is long to anyone without stars in their eyes.

[mtnsnake]

46. I agree.

That he resembles Joel Olsteen is just a bonus, a bad one.