Dianne Feinstein recall

[ooglymoogly]

We all should be working frantically to get a recall petition going in California. Here is an excerpt from a letter to the editor on Salon. snip> Dianne should be removed from having any say in any military appropiations and should not be allowed to make a vote on any matters relating to wiretapping. In other words, strip her of her committee posts that have permitted her to be so influential on votes. It is time to play hardball with this woman who has joined the leagues of Traitor Joe LIEberman. California law permits a recall of a Senator. A petition drive should be taken up, and if it takes money from outside California to get it done, it will be done. If Californians can't see what she is doing is wrong, the rest of the country will see to it she is gone.
-- MCE007

I am hoping that we and Move on take this on with a vengeance. It seems to me the money would be easily raised. We need to teach these Dino's a lesson and very fast.
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If federal officials cant be recalled then a vote of no convidence should be initiated as suggested by sfexpat2000
As correctly stated by Pinto, federal officials cannot be recalled but if a vote of no confidence is all we can do then we ought to get on to it. If we do not stop this dead in its tracks we are doomed as a democracy.

[AtomicKitten]

1. Deservedly.

:thumbsup:

[fenriswolf]

2. I'll sign in

<---cali

[EFerrari]

3. CA law permits recall of State Senators, not Federal officers.

The most we can do is something like a no confidence vote.

[AlCzervik]

6. yup.

[EFerrari]

9. But, that would be one petition I'd be *happy* to work on.

:hi:

[AlCzervik]

4. she was the one democrat i did not vote for, i picked someone from "the peace and freedom party"

[Hieronymus]

30. I refused to vote for Feinstein as well .. she's a DINO.

[sce56]

5. If it can be done then yes indeed

Put her on notice

[IndianaGreen]

7. You might have to change the law to recall DiFi

but by all means, you all got my blessings to oust that Lieberman in drag!

[fightthegoodfightnow]

20. WOW - I Could Not Say It Better......Feinstein is Leiberman in Drag

WOW - I Could Not Say It Better......Feinstein is Leiberman in Drag

[pinto]

8. 2 points. Recall pertains to state and local officials, and sometimes have unintended consequences.

About CA recalls, including the recall resulting in Arnold Schwarzenegger's Governorship.

http://igs.berkeley.edu/library/htRecall2003.html#Topic1

History
The recall mechanism for statewide officers and legislators in California first appeared as a constitutional amendment in 1911, one of several reform measures put in place by the Progressive administration of Governor Hiram Johnson. The most controversial provision of the amendment was the inclusion of judges, and the justices of the state Supreme Court in particular, among the state officers subject to recall. Proponents favored the amendment as another mechanism to fight graft and corruption in government. Opponents criticized it as a device that extremists and malcontents would employ to harass and remove honest officials.

Recalls have often been attempted in California against statewide elected officials and legislators. All governors in the last 30 years have faced some level of recall attempt. In 2003 Governor Gray Davis became the first statewide official to face a recall election. Recall efforts against state legislators have reached the voting stage, and four were actually recalled. Senator Marshall Black (R-Santa Clara County) was recalled in 1913, followed by Senator Edwin Grant (D-San Franisco) in 1914, and by Assembly members Paul Horcher (R-Los Angeles County) and Doris Allen (R-Orange County) in 1995. There have been many successful recall attempts at the local government level in California.

(much more at link)

CA law on recall:

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/recall.pdf

Recall is the power of the voters to remove elected officials before their terms
expire. It has been a fundamental part of our governmental system since 1911 and has
been used by voters to express their dissatisfaction with their elected representatives.
This publication examines the law of recall only as it applies to state and local
officials. It is divided into separate parts to help avoid confusion. Be sure to check the
Table of Contents and review all parts which are specific to the type of recall in which
you are interested.

Please note that the procedures described herein do not apply to federal officers.
The removal of U.S. Representatives or U.S. Senators is governed by the United States
Constitution, Article 1, Sec. 5 (2), which states "Each House may determine the rules of
its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence
of two-thirds, expel a member." The President, Vice President and all civil officers of
the United States are removed through the process of "impeachment" which is
governed by the United States Constitution.

Unless otherwise indicated, all references in parentheses are to the California
Elections Code.

pdf file

[ooglymoogly]

10. At last something definitive

I googled this and could find nothing but was probably using the wrong key words. If a vote of no confidence is the best we can do then we ought to start researching this. If we let this slide we are finished as a democracy.

[pinto]

12. Respectfully disagree. Democracy will survive Sen. Feinstein,

by a long shot.

(aside) I googled: Recall Law California, found the U Berkeley link. The Sec. of Sate link was somewhere in the U Berkeley piece ('related links on recall', or some such) so I tacked that on.

:hi:

[ooglymoogly]

14. On that point I can't agree. Our democracy is dribbling away at

an ever increasing rate and DF is close to the heart of it.

[John Q. Citizen]

13. Yes, a no confidence vote is the best you can do. However, it would be a major

success, whether it passed or not, because it would force DiFi to defend her record on the Constitution ie torture (cruel unusual punishment) and warrantless wire tapping.

It would be, I believe, an historical first if it could be placed on the ballot.

[ooglymoogly]

15. If the traitor can't be recalled then this is what we should be working on.

[John Q. Citizen]

23. In many respects it would be similar to the city wide votes on the Iraqi Occupation. It

would serve notice that the people are watching and they aren't happy with what they see.

I would advise contacting groups who have successfully put measures on the state wide ballot. They could save you a ton of time in the learning curve in terms of the legal aspects of qualifying.

I would also make the advisory measure quite short, and easily readable and understandable, and I would craft it to attract people from all political parties and viewpoints. I would include no more than 3 reasons - such as voting to approve an AG who doesn't know if torture is illegal, voting to give retroactive immunity to telecoms who were paid money to spy on customers, and for supporting the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

I wouldn't deal with the Iran vote or any others. 3 is plenty.

I would also build a coalition from groups such as the ACLU, Amnesty International, church groups, Labor, and others who already have a large constituency to draw on.

[Hekate]

11. Is there such a provision in the Constitution of the US?Because otherwise, it's called an "election"

California voters have the power to recall state and local elected officials, and they have also imposed term limits for those officials.

As a Californian let me say it has NOT worked to our advantage, on the whole. Piles of out-of-state money went into unseating Gray Davis, a Democrat who did not cause the Enron crisis, and then replacing him with Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican.

As for the rest of the State term-limited office-holders, we now have waves of newbies entering office who have to look to lobbyists for the inside scoop on how to get things done. The laws of unintended consequences are at work. Just when they figure out how things work, they're out of that office for good.

Thank you so much, fellow Californians.

California law has NO effect on federally elected officials. In the US Constitution we are given the opportunity to throw the bums out at regular intervals of two, four, and six years, depending on the office. Those intervals are called elections.

Hekate
:argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh:

[fightthegoodfightnow]

19. Then Work to Defeat Her by Simply Condemning Her Actions Now

Otherwise.......you are part of the problem.

[Hekate]

39. Run another Democrat against her in the primary.Otherwise YOU are part of the problem by making...

...people want to elect a Republican.

Hekate

[fightthegoodfightnow]

59. Laughing Very Hard

What makes you think I am not?

But alas, I'm sure I'll have you characterizing campaigning against a Democrat as being a traitor to our party.

Takes a certain amount of arrogance to presume I'm making anyone do anything simply by opposing one Democrat candidate or issue and supporting others.

PS - Just in case you missed the point......dissent is allowed.

[ronnykmarshall]

45. Bravo!

Yeah, I'm pissed about Dianne's votes ... this talk of "recall" is total bullshit.

Even IF it could happen guess who appoint the new senator? Arnie!

This will probably be Dianne's last term anyway. I can't see her running again in 2012.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

16. Dianne Feinstein is NOT One of Us

She never was.

She is dangerous.

It amazes me that this woman's rise to power came in the political void of Harvey Milk, who is no doubt rolling over in his grave.

She has never been a friend of progressive politics.

I can't wait for the day when California wakes up and sends this woman into retirement. Unfortunately, it's not likely to be anytime soon.

[grasswire]

17. plus her conflict of interest!

How did California ever keep her so long?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

18. Very Good Question

The real question is how did she rise to power FROM San Francisco !!!!

[IndianaGreen]

21. George Moscone and Harvey Milk took a bullet, DiFi didn't!

Another example of good people being assassinated, and evil people rising to power as a result.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

22. Exactly

Feinstein is a political opportunist who has NEVER been a friend of progressive politics.

In fact, Moscone and Milk never considered her an ally.

It makes me sick every time I think of how she came into power.

But obviously, she hasn't changed her tune and for that we have no one to thank other than California.

PLEASE...............send her home with a nice pension.

She is indeed Lieberman in drag.

[ooglymoogly]

29. very good point. nt

[Alexander]

31. Feinstein also convinced Dan White to try to get his old seat back...

The result being that White, after demanding Moscone give him his seat back and Moscone refusing, killed them both.

Feinstein was a supporter of White's and an opponent of both Moscone and Milk, despite being a San Francisco Democrat.

[ronnykmarshall]

41. She did?

Maybe you should read "The Times of Harvey Milk". I don't recall that part.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

62. Read Again

The book clearly states that Feinstein was no political ally of Moscone or Milk.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

61. THANK YOU FOR NEVER FORGETTING

DIANE FEINSTEIN IS NO FRIEND TO PROGRESSIVE AMERICANS.

I find it *AMAZING* and *SAD* that she has risen to power over the corpses of those who died for things she fought against.

Milks and Moscone must be rolling over in their graves.

[ooglymoogly]

24. plus she is a member of the Trilat$ral commission.

You know the free trade world order kind of people for the rich and decimating the middle class and poor, that most all of the most dastardly neocons belong to including Richard Cheney. This is a bunch we all need to get to know and understand for they are behind most of what is going on and just a list of members makes a lot of things clear. They are considered by many to be the people running Murka.

VERY SURPRISING LIST OF CHARACTERS
NORTH AMERICAN GROUP

* Madeleine K. Albright, Principal, The Albright Group LLC, Washington, DC; former U.S. Secretary of State
* Graham Allison, Director, Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA
* Rona Ambrose, Member of Parliament, Ottawa, ON
* G. Allen Andreas, Chairman and Chief Executive, Archer Daniels Midland Company, Decatur, IL
* Michael H. Armacost, Shorenstein Distinguished Fellow, Asia/Pacific Research Center, Stanford University, Hillsborough, CA; former President, The Brookings Institution; former U.S. Ambassador to Japan; former U.S. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs
* C. Michael Armstrong, Chairman, Comcast Corporation, Philadelphia, PA
* *Charlene Barshefsky, Senior International Partner, Wilmer, Cutler & Pickering, Washington, DC; former U.S. Trade Representative
* Alan R. Batkin, Vice Chairman, Kissinger Associates, New York, NY
* Maurizio Bevilacqua, Member of Parliament, Ottawa, ON
* Doug Bereuter, President, The Asia Foundation, San Francisco, CA; former Member, U.S. House of Representatives
* *C. Fred Bergsten, Director, Institute for International Economics, Washington, DC; former U.S. Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs
* Catherine Bertini, Under-Secretary-General for Management, United Nations, New York, NY
* Dennis C. Blair, USN (Ret.), President, Institute for Defense Analyses, Alexandria, VA; former Commander in Chief, U.S. Pacific Command
* Herminio Blanco Mendoza, Private Office of Herminio Blanco, Mexico City, NL; former Mexican Secretary of Commerce and Industrial Development
* Geoffrey T. Boisi, former Vice Chairman, JPMorgan Chase, New York, NY
* Stephen W. Bosworth, Dean, Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, Tufts University, Medford, MA; former U.S. Ambassador to the Republic of Korea
* David G. Bradley, Chairman, Atlantic Media Company, Washington, DC
* Harold Brown, Counselor, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Washington, DC; General Partner, Warburg Pincus & Company, New York, NY; former U.S. Secretary of Defense
* *Zbigniew Brzezinski, Counselor, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Washington, DC; Robert Osgood Professor of American Foreign Affairs, Paul Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University; former U.S. Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs
* George H.W. Bush, Former President, The United States of America, Texas
* Louis C. Camilleri, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Altria Group, Inc., New York, NY
* Gerhard Casper, President Emeritus, Stanford University, Stanford
* Lynne V. Cheney, Former Chairman, the National Endowment for the Humanities, Washington D.C.
* William Jefferson Clinton, Former President of the United States
* William T. Coleman III, Founder, Chairman, and Chief Executive Officer, Cassatt Corporation;
* Founder, former Chairman and CEO and Member, Board of Directors, BEA Systems, Inc., San Jose, CA
* William T. Coleman, Jr., Senior Partner and the Senior Counselor, O’Melveny & Myers, Washington, DC; former U.S. Secretary of Transportation
* Timothy C. Collins, Senior Managing Director and Chief Executive Officer, Ripplewood Holdings, New York, NY
* E. Gerald Corrigan, Managing Director, Goldman, Sachs & Co., New York, NY; former President, Federal Reserve Bank of New York
* Michael J. Critelli, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Pitney Bowes Inc., Stamford, CT
* Gerald L. Curtis, Burgess Professor of Politcial Science and Visiting Professor, Graduate Research Institute for Policy Studies, Tokyo
* Douglas Daft, former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, The Coca Cola Company, Atlanta, GA
* Dennis D. Dammerman, Vice Chairman and Executive Officer, General Electric Company, Fairfield, CT
* Lynn Davis, Senior Political Scientist, The RAND Corporation, Arlington, VA; former U.S. Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security
* Lodewijk J. R. de Vink, Chairman, Global Health Care Partners, Peapack, NJ; former Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer, Warner-Lambert Company
* Arthur A. DeFehr, President and Chief Executive Officer, Palliser Furniture, Winnipeg, MB
* André Desmarais, President and Co-Chief Executive Officer, Power Corporation of Canada, Montréal, QC; Deputy Chairman, Power Financial Corporation
* Jamie Dimon, President and Chief Operating Officer, JPMorgan Chase, New York, NY
* Peter C. Dobell, Founding Director, Parliamentary Centre, Ottawa, ON
* Wendy K. Dobson, Professor and Director, Institute for International Business, Rotman School of Management, University of Toronto, Toronto, ON; former Canadian Associate Deputy Minister of Finance
* Kenneth M. Duberstein, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, The Duberstein Group, Washington, DC
* Robert Eckert, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Mattel, Inc., El Segundo, CA
* Jessica P. Einhorn, Dean, Paul Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, The Johns Hopkins University, Washington, DC; former Managing Director for Finance and Resource Mobilization, World Bank
* Jeffrey Epstein, President, J. Epstein & Company, Inc., New York, NY; President, N.A. Property, Inc.
* Dianne Feinstein, Member (D-CA), U.S. Senate
* Sandra Feldman, President Emeritus, American Federation of Teachers, Washington, DC
* Martin S. Feldstein, George F. Baker Professor of Economics, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA; President and Chief Executive Officer, National Bureau of Economic Research; former U.S.Chairman, President’s Council of Economic Advisors
* Stanley Fischer, President, Citigroup International and Vice Chairman, Citgroup, New York, NY; former First Deputy Managing Director, International Monetary Fund, Washington, DC
* Richard W. Fisher, President and Chief Executive Officer, Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, Dallas, TX; former U.S. Deputy Trade Representative
* *Thomas S. Foley, Partner, Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld, Washington, DC; former U.S. Ambassador to Japan; former Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives; North American Chairman, Trilateral Commission
* Francis Fukuyama, Bernard L. Schwartz Professor International Political Economy, Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, The Johns Hopkins University, Washington, DC
* Dionisio Garza Medina, Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer, ALFA, Garza Garcia, NL
* Richard A. Gephardt, former Member (D-MO), U.S. House of Representatives
* David Gergen, Professor of Public Service, John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA; Editor-at-Large, U.S. News and World Report
* Peter C. Godsoe, Chairman of Fairmont Hotels & Resorts; Retired Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Scotiabank, Toronto, ON
* *Allan E. Gotlieb, Senior Advisor, Stikeman Elliott, Toronto, ON; Chairman, Sotheby’s, Canada; former Canadian Ambassador to the United States; North American Deputy Chairman, Trilateral Commission
* Donald E. Graham, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, The Washington Post Company, Washington, DC
* Jeffrey W. Greenberg, Private Investor, New York, NY; former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Marsh & McLennan Companies
* Maurice R. Greenberg, Chairman, American International Group, Inc., New York, NY
* Richard N. Haass, President, Council on Foreign Relations, New York, NY; former Director, Policy Planning, U. S. Department of State; former Director of Foreign Policy Studies, The Brookings Institution
* William A. Haseltine, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Haseltine Associates, Washington, DC;
* President, William A. Haseltine Foundation for Medical Sciences and the Arts; former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Human Genome Sciences, Inc., Rockville, MD
* Charles B. Heck, Senior Adviser and former North American Director, Trilateral Commission, New Canaan, CT
* *Carla A. Hills, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Hills & Company, International Consultants, Washington, DC; former U.S. Trade Representative; former U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
* Richard Holbrooke, Vice Chairman, Perseus LLC, New York, NY; Counselor, Council on Foreign Relations; former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations; former Vice Chairman of Credit Suisse First Boston Corporation; former U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for European and Canadian Affairs; former U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs; and former U.S. Ambassador to Germany
* Karen Elliott House, Senior Vice President, Dow Jones & Company, and Publisher, The Wall Street Journal, New York, NY
* James A. Johnson, Vice Chairman, Perseus LLC, Washington, DC; former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae)
* Alejandro Junco de la Vega, President and Director, Grupo Reforma, Monterrery, NL
* Robert Kagan, Senior Associate, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Washington, DC
* Charles R. Kaye, Co-President, Warburg Pincus LLC, New York, NY
* Henry A. Kissinger, Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc., New York, NY; former U.S. Secretary of State; former U.S. Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs
* Michael Klein, Chief Executive Officer, Global Banking, Citigroup Inc.; Vice Chairman, Citibank International PLC; New York, NY
* Enrique Krauze, General Director, Editorial Clio Libros y Videos, S.A. de C.V., Mexico City, DF
* Jim Leach, Member (R-IA), U.S. House of Representatives
* Gerald M. Levin, Chief Executive Officer Emeritus, AOL Time Warner, Inc., New York, NY
* Winston Lord, Co-Chairman of Overseeers and former Co-Chairman of the Board, International Rescue Committee, New York, NY; former U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs; former U.S. Ambassador to China
* E. Peter Lougheed, Senior Partner, Bennett Jones, Barristers & Solicitors, Calgary, AB; former Premier of Alberta
* Roy MacLaren, former Canadian High Commissioner to the United Kingdom; former Canadian Minister of International Trade; Toronto, ON
* John A. MacNaughton, former President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Pension Plan Investment Board, Toronto, ON
* Antonio Madero, Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer, San Luis Corporacion, S.A. de C.V., Mexico City, DF
* *Sir Deryck C. Maughan, former Vice Chairman, Citigroup, New York, NY
* Jay Mazur, President Emeritus, UNITE (Union of Needletrades, Industrial and Textile Employees); Vice Chairman, Amalgamated Bank of New York; and President, ILGWU's 21st Century Heritage Foundation, New York, NY
* Hugh L. McColl, Jr., Chairman, McColl Brothers Lockwood, Charlotte, NC; former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Bank of America Corporation
* Henry A. McKinnell, President and Chief Executive Officer, Pfizer, Inc., New York, NY
* Marc H. Morial, President and Chief Executive Officer, National Urban League, New York, NY; former Mayor, New Orleans, LA
* Anne M. Mulcahy, Chairman and CEO, Xerox Corporation, Stamford, CT
* Brian Mulroney, Senior Partner, Ogilvy Renault, Barristers and Solicitors, Montréal, QC; former Prime Minister of Canada
* *Joseph S. Nye, Jr., Distinguished Service Professor at Harvard University, John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA; former Dean, John F. Kennedy School of Government; former U.S. Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs
* David J. O'Reilly, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, ChevronTexaco Corp., San Ramon, CA
* Richard N. Perle, Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute, Washington, DC; member and former Chairman, Defense Policy Board, U.S. Department of Defense; former U.S. Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy
* Thomas R. Pickering, Senior Vice President, International Relations, The Boeing Company, Vienna, VA; former U.S. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs; former U.S. Ambassador to the Russian Federation, India, Israel, El Salvador, Nigeria, the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, and the United Nations
* Franklin D. Raines, former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Fannie Mae (Federal National Mortgage Association), Washington, DC; former Director, U.S. Office of Management and Budget, Office of the President
* Joseph W. Ralston, USAF (Ret)., Vice Chairman, The Cohen Group, Washington, DC; former Commander, U.S. European Command, and Supreme Allied Commander NATO; former Vice Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, U.S. Department of Defense
* Charles B. Rangel, Member (D-NY), U.S. House of Representatives
* Hartley Richardson, President and Chief Executive Officer, James Richardson & Sons, Ltd., Winnipeg, MB
* Joseph E. Robert, Jr., Chairman and Chief Executive Office, J.E. Robert Companies, McLean, VA
* John D. Rockefeller IV, Member (D-WV), U.S. Senate
* Kenneth Rogoff, Professor of Economics and Director, Center for International Development, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA; former Chief Economist and Director, Research Department, International Monetary Fund, Washington, DC
* David M. Rubenstein, Co-founder and Managing Director, The Carlyle Group, Washington, DC
* Luis Rubio, President, Center of Research for Development (CIDAC), Mexico City, DF
* Arthur F. Ryan, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Prudential Financial, Inc., Newark, NJ
* Jaime Serra, Chairman, SAI Consulting, Mexico City, DF; former Mexican Minister of Trade and Industry
* Anne-Marie Slaughter, Dean, Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs, Princeton University, Princeton, NJ
* Gordon Smith, Director, Centre for Global Studies, University of Victoria, Victoria, BC; Chairman, Board of Governors, International Development Research Centre; former Canadian Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs and Personal Representative of the Prime Minister to the Economic Summit
* Donald R. Sobey, Chairman Emeritus, Empire Company Ltd., Stellarton, NS
* George Soros, Chairman, Soros Fund Management LLC, New York, NY; Chairman, The Open Society Institute
* Ronald D. Southern, Chairman, ATCO Group, Calgary, AB
* James B. Steinberg, Vice President and Director of the Foreign Policy Studies Program, The Brookings Institution, Washington, DC; former U.S. Deputy National Security Advisor
* Barbara Stymiest, Chief Operating Officer, RBC Financial Group, Toronto, ON
* Lawrence H. Summers, President, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA; former U.S. Secretary of the Treasury
* John J. Sweeney, President, AFL-CIO, Washington, DC
* Strobe Talbott, President, The Brookings Institution, Washington, DC; former U.S. Deputy Secretary of State
* Luis Tellez, Managing Director, The Carlyle Group, Mexico City, DF; former Executive Vice President, Sociedad de Fomento Industrial (DESC); former Mexican Minister of Energy
* John Thain, Chief Executive Officer, New York Stock Exchange, Inc.; former President and Co-Chief Operating Officer, Goldman Sachs & Co., New York, NY
* G. Richard Thoman, Managing Partner, Corporate Perspectives and Adjunct Professor, Columbia University, New York, NY; formerly President and CEO, Xerox Corporation; formerly CFO and Nº 2 officer, IBM Corporation
* *Paul A. Volcker, former Chairman, Wolfensohn & Co., Inc., New York; Frederick H. Schultz Professor Emeritus, International Economic Policy, Princeton University; former Chairman, Board of Governors, U.S. Federal Reserve System; Honorary North American Chairman and former North American Chairman, Trilateral Commission
* William H. Webster, Senior Partner, Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy LLP, Washington, DC; former U.S. Director of Central Intelligence; former Director, U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation; former Judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit
* Fareed Zakaria, Editor, Newsweek International, New York, NY
* *Lorenzo H. Zambrano, Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer, CEMEX, Monterrey, NL; North American Deputy Chairman, Trilateral Commission
* Ernesto Zedillo, Director, Yale Center for the Study of Globalization, Yale University, New Haven, CT; former President of Mexico
* Mortimer B. Zuckerman, Chairman and Editor-in-Chief, U.S. News & World Report, New York, NY
* Robert S. McNamara, Lifetime Trustee, Trilateral Commission, Washington, DC; former President, World Bank; former U.S. Secretary of Defense; former President, Ford Motor Company
* David Rockefeller, Founder, Honorary Chairman, and Lifetime Trustee, Trilateral Commission, New York, NY

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[MonkeyFunk]

25. Oh, this nonsense again

You can't recall US Senators.

How do people with so little constitutional knowledge manage to care about politics?

[ooglymoogly]

27. Thanks, how kind of you. You are such a brillient, kind, all knowing and magnificent person

I note your idol is Hill another magnificent person. Mine is the rug you walk on Dennis Kucinich, meaning the woof, warp and fiber of what is right and great about this country and its only true foundation.

[MonkeyFunk]

38. The fact is

you're about the 1,000th ignorant person who suggested some sort of recall or impeachment for politicians who are not subject to recall or impeachment.

Why should I take your opinions on politics seriously when you don't know the the most basic facts about our government?

[laugle]

49. I tried for almost 3 years, in the CA forum to get people

not to vote for her in 2006. I got slammed big time.....finally people came around to the idea, but it was too late!

She got back in and now people are stuck with her! At least I can say I didn't vote for her!!!!!

[ooglymoogly]

53. well I guess I am in good company and we are not such

a brainless gaggle of a thousand searching for the truth. Clue: This is a discussion board and if you read my entire post and the posts that follow a lot of DUers learned something from this thread, me included and that is what I call a good discussion. But then there is the nanner, nanner, nanner, crowd if you can say 2 is a crowd happens with nothing more to contribute than nanner, nanner. I am searching for the truth and I do not expect anyone to take my posts as any kind of gospel. It is a starting point to a discussion to find the gospel truth as near as can be determined by a discussion board with many brilliant people on it. If it is wrong it will be corrected by facts and more enlightened people than I and I, with many others will become that much more enlightened.

[Alexander]

26. Why? You want Senator Arnold Schwarzenegger?

Don't we all remember what happened last time there was a recall in California?

Thankfully it can't be done, so this is just an exercise in futility.

[ooglymoogly]

28. Democrats did not start the petition though I believe DiFi

had a hand in it. It was outside republican forces and the donation of 2 million by a loser in red southern Caudifuonia that made the recall a reality and it wasn't based on the treason the DiFi is exhibiting. It was based on the usual trumped up lies swiftboating and propaganda of the pugs

[Alexander]

33. OK - but recalls can't happen for federal offices anyway.

My point is, if Feinstein is somehow replaced using these means, we're equally likely to get someone worse.

[ooglymoogly]

36. That may be true but they would not be on the same powerful committees that DiFi

is on...but be that as it may recall is not possible so we should work to putting a vote of no confidence on the ballot. That would be some lightning bolt hitting DiFi squarely in what little evil brain she has.

[ronnykmarshall]

43. So why didn't Dianne run for Gov in 2003?

She could have WALKED into the Gov's office if she ran in 2003.

If she "had a hand in it", why did she campaign AGAINST the recall in support of Gov. Davis.

I'll await your response.

[MonkeyFunk]

46. Don't hold your breath

she had no role in it, and she opposed the recall.

[ronnykmarshall]

47. I'm not.

Some of these "pull it out of their ass" types don't have a grasp of reality.

[ooglymoogly]

52. Yes perhaps you are right Sherlock, politics is always what it seems .

Not what is more obvious to the avid and what is the CONTRIVED AND CONVOLUTED outcome. She had no choice but to come out against the recall KNOWING HER WEAK STANCE WOULD FAIL or she would have been dead in her tracks as a politician. Again just look at the results of the whole fiasco of the recall and the overall outcome and how DiFi is voting today to see the real colors of DiFi and they are NOT RED NEXT TO BLACK, THEY ARE RED NEXT TO YELLOW.

[ronnykmarshall]

55. Dream on, "Sherlock".

You still can't explain your horse shit post how Dianne "Had a hand" in the entire recall.

If you think for one minute that if she put her name on the ballot in 2003 and won't not have won election, I have swamp land in Fl to sell you.

Yeah, I'm pissed at Dianne, but I'm not pulling tall tails out of my ass to try and attack her.

Again, let me ask you .... why didn't she run in 2003? Why did she oppose the recall. After all Gray Davis treated her like shit in the 1992 Senatoral primary.

Dianne had plenty of reason to jump in the race in 2003 and yet she didn't.

Spin it all you want "Sherlock", but that's the truth.

[ooglymoogly]

60. I lived through the Milk-Moscone outrage and once thought DiFi was the real deal

However things did not turn out the way I and her supporters thought they would.

In 1990, Feinstein made an unsuccessful bid for Governor of California, losing to Republican Senator Pete Wilson, who vacated his seat in the Senate to assume the governorship. In 1992, she was fined $190,000 for failure to properly report campaign contributions and expenditures associated with that campaign.

There were rumors and I admit only rumors, or as the press would say "some people have said" Dianne had it in for Wilson.

And as for your query as to why she did not run for Governor, she would have to have given up her senate seat and "some people are saying" she is a DINO with an agenda akin to that of Lieberman.
Besides belonging to the Tr!latteral commission which should give you some idea where her allegiance lyes I don't have anything that is not circumstantial evidence.

[ronnykmarshall]

65. Um .... hello?

I lived in SF from 86 - 00.

Don't lecture me, ok.

You make some half ass defence of that mother fucker Pete Wilson? If Dianne had it out for that mother fucker ... good for Dianne.

Pete Wilson is a piece of shit.

You wanna talk shit about Dianne and bring up that cock sucker? Go right ahead.

[ooglymoogly]

66. Hey DiFi is that you?

now that we see your colors your posts are more understandable

[sampsonblk]

32. Yes!

There has to be at least one better Dem in California!

[stevedeshazer]

34. Isn't the best way a primary challenge from a progressive Democrat in 2010?

:shrug:

There's gotta be someone in a state of 35 million people who could challenge her from the left, no?

[ooglymoogly]

37. She is already ancient and a kind of portrait of Dorian Gray

Odds are she will not run again.

[MonkeyFunk]

40. 2010 is two years too early.

She was just re-elected in 2006.

[ronnykmarshall]

42. and there you go with those stupid FACTS again!

Oh honestly!

[stevedeshazer]

54. My bad, you're right

Dammit.

[cascadiance]

35. Actually a better way to find a way to get DiFi out of the Senate is to recall Arnold!

If we can find some good reasons to recall Schwarzenegger (he's being pretty careful now about things I think though), that might be the solution to get her out of the Senate. It could happen one of two ways:

1) We could persuade her to "run" for Governor in the recall election (a lot less powerful position to wield the power over the rest of us that she has as Senator now). Who knows, she might actually prefer not having to be in Washington as she gets closer to Washington anyway... She would then appoint her own successor. If we help her a lot get this position, perhaps we can persuade to choose who we want to replace herself in that instance.

or

2) If we get another Dem to run in the recall election and win (and hopefully a decent progressive), then I think the Democratic Majority in the Senate would be more likely to pursue investigating her husband's corruption ties that led to her stepping down from the military allocation committee that she did earlier. If she can be "Packwooded", perhaps we can get the Senate to expell her or to have her step down. The prospect of this happening if she weren't to run for Governor and some other Democrat being in the power to do this might be good leverage to help us specify who we want to have replace her too.

A fringe benefit is that we might be more able to have Boxer available as a running mate for 2008 too, though likely the timing would be too hairy for that, and I'm not sure I want DiFi appointing two senators.

[ronnykmarshall]

44. Oh get real.

She stumped AGAINST the recall of Davis in 2003 and also refused to run herself as well. She would have won EASILY in 2003.

I don't even think she'll run again in 2012 for senate.

[cascadiance]

48. She didn't run because she didn't want to run when a Dem was being recalled...

If a Republican is being recalled, might that not change the equation? Oh, I forget, her campaign co-chair also worked for Arnold too! Maybe she feels too much against running against a fellow Republican too.

If a recall happens anyway, and it looks like a Dem will get elected then, don't you think she might be MORE worried that the Dems might be a little less hesitant about trying to do an investigation on her to replace her with someone who's less of a problem than she is? If a recall happens, she might want to run as a "defensive" measure!

[MonkeyFunk]

50. Arnold will not be recalled

give it up.

[ISUGRADIA]

51. Arnold is not going to be recalled and Feinstein is a Senator until 2013

Face reality. Less than a year before a presidential election and you think the California Democratic Party is going to try and recall a more or less popular governor? Come on....

[ronnykmarshall]

56. Reality is something that doesn't go over around here.

She not going to leave office until 2013. I don't even think she'll run again in 2012 (I hope she doesn't with the rate she's going now).

Arnold is NOT going to get recalled.

What democrats really need to focus on is making sure Boxer gets re-elected in 2010. Arnie is probably going to run against her and this could be her toughest battle since 1992.

[Arugula Latte]

57. You mean Dianne "Joe Lieberman" Feinstein?

God, I despise that traitorous @#$%^.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

58. "strip her of her committee posts" - I agree

If she can't be recalled, I think at least we need to petition and pressure Harry Reid and the rest of the Democratic leadership to kick Diane Feinstein off of every committee. Entirely remove her seniority benefits. Treat her like a Republican or at least like someone outside the Democratic party. Make her irrelevant and remove her power and prestige. After that, she can either redeem herself by representing her constituency and supporting Democratic ideals through her future votes or become permanently ostracized.

[ISUGRADIA]

63. Yes, let's punish her, Ben Nelson, Schumer, Landrieu

Lieberman, to start for straying from the party line and we can easily turn a 5 seat gain in 08 into a democratic minority.

Good god, the Senate leadership is not going to punish Feinstein for voting the same way as several other Dem Senators.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

64. It's a de facto Democratic minority right now

I'm sorry for you and others who fail to see that.

So having a Democratic majority IN NAME ONLY is what matters? Even if it continues being a de facto Democratic minority where certain Senators consistently vote with the dark side? I think they should be disciplined and forced to return to the Democratic issues and platform they are supposed to represent, if they wish to continue enjoying a political career within the Democratic Party. Party name means nothing. Party issues are everything.

[WeAreThePeople]

67. Lets put our own non-binding resolution on the CA ballot - No confidence in Diane

We can not recall her, but we can certainly make it clear she is not representing the people she represents. A ballot initiative calling for a public censure of Feinstein would be a first in the nation and a clear signal that she is at odds with the people she is charged with representing.