Clinton campaign top advisors childishly insult Obama supporters.

[calteacherguy]

“Our people look like caucus-goers,” Grunwald said, “and his people look like they are 18. Penn said they look like Facebook.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1107/6815.html

Clinton's advisors need to grow up and learn the meaning of the word "respect."

[MNDemNY]

1. I don't see the "insult"

[calteacherguy]

3. The implication that young people aren't caucus goers.

[MNDemNY]

18. They are not. Historically.

[undercoverduer]

2. It would be interesting if this charges up the under 25 voters

:kick:

[obamian]

4. If they're willing to spend their saturday night cheering for him, they're willing

to spend a Tuesday night caucusing for him.

[undercoverduer]

5. Yup

:kick:

[flpoljunkie]

37. Absolutely! The Clinton camp is concerned. Otherwise they would not insult Obama's supporters.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. You, Sir, Are Incredible!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3707838

[calteacherguy]

I'm reporting what the campaign advisors are doing.

I wish Clinton's top advisors would join Obama in the Politics of Hope, not smear.

[undercoverduer]

10. Sort of like how the Clinton people are putting Barack against the boomers. . .

:kick:

[jenmito]

12. What's incredible about not wanting to smear candidates? He's pointing out a fact...

The Clinton team smeared Obama's supporters, implying they won't caucus for him.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. So When Obama Suggested Edwards Was A Phony He Wasn't Smearing Him

Please challenge me so I can post the quote!

[jenmito]

20. When did I mention anything about Obama? The OP said Hillary remained

above the fray when she really didn't.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. The OP Asked Us To Pledge Not To Bash Other Candidates

DSB

[jenmito]

22. Are you reading the posts you're replying to?

Or the subject of the thread? This thread is about the FACT that someone in the Hillary camp dissed Obama's supporters. That's not dissing Hillary or anyone else.

[MonkeyFunk]

56. Don't expect consistency

from someone with his record of "flexibility" when it comes to supporting candidates.

[emilyg]

7. Didn't you take some kind of pledge?

[calteacherguy]

8. Yes, I wish Clinton's top campaign advisors would behave likewise. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. He Couldn't Be Faithful To His Own Pledge For An Entire Afternoon

DSB

[Clintonista2]

42. I knew his "pledge" would never last. Read my comment in his pledge post

He's one of the most negative posters on all of DU.

[aquart]

9. Very funny, after the Obama campaign dissed the boomers.

Pot. Kettle. Are we going to have age wars?

[jenmito]

13. Obama didn't insult boomers. That's how the Clinton campaign spun it.

[rodeodance]

16. BINGO

[silverweb]

17. I'm a boomer and I don't feel "dissed."

That's a media construct, my friend, blowing up Obama's comments out of all proportion to make them sound like an attack on a particular age group.

[Nedsdag]

27. I'm a so-called boomer.

I don't feel "dissed" either.

I don't have anything in common with the Clintons or their generation.

[silverweb]

30. Nothing in common with "their generation" ?

Considering that our generation includes a wide range of ages, and runs the gamut of politicial/religious/cultural parameters, I'd say you probably have a lot more in common with the Clintons and many others in our generation than you realize! :D

[Nedsdag]

36. What I meant to say is..

While the early baby boomers were in college during the 1960s, I was in kindergarten. They were old enough to be my parents.

[silverweb]

55. Ah, I see.

But you're hardly alone there!

There are as many 40-something boomers as there are 50-something boomers, and the majority of us may have actually "missed" the 60's -- me included, though I'm an "old hippie" in spirit!

:hippie:

[AlCzervik]

14. like you did when you donated to Obama because of the McClurkin gaffe?

that was you right?

[Clintonista2]

43. Yes, it was him.

McClurkins quotes had been "taken out of context" and Obama had done the right thing by having McClurkin MC the event.

[silverweb]

19. I'd take it as a compliment.

Young people are fired up by Obama, they're ready to go, and ready to fight for their futures.

And I stand with them.

I've got two kids, one in his 30s and one in her 20s, and we are all supporting Obama.

Instead of turning a damaged, dying, miserable world over to our children, we should all be actively supporting a leader who will lead the way in restoring our nation to The People -- as well as to a welcome place among other nations of the world, not the feared rogue nation we have become.

Obama is my #1 pick -- though if it comes down to it, I'll proudly support whichever of our fine candidates is the Democratic nominee.

GObama!


That said, I have to go clock in now and earn my paycheck....

[merbex]

23. It's tough getting old and passsing the torch to a new generation of Americans, huh Mandy?

Cue up Peggy Lee and the 92 election memories

"those were the days my friend"

[Nedsdag]

24. Well, what do you expect of Clinton supporters?

They're smug, elitist, and lack class.

Plus, if they continue to insult the younger supporters they covet, those same "Facebook" kids will stay home and the Republicans will win in November of 2008.

[Bluebear]

25. How long did your "pledge"to keep positive last, an hour?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3707838&mesg_id=3707838

[calteacherguy]

39. Have I said anthing negative? nt

[Bitwit1234]

26. Good Lord...and Obama has the nerve the absolute gall the

dirty slinging mud to say that Hillary campaigners are basing Obama supporters...they sure as hell have never been to this journal. Every other single solitary message posted is one of Obama supporters pulling a ten year old article out that has negativity toward Hillary Clinton and posting it about fifty times. And then they start posting the rumors which have been pr oven wrong. You know the one about the cats, the one about the tip, the one about her being a killer, and then the one about her being a lesbian. Hell they probably have to change their shorts ten times a day because they get such glee out of the lies they spew.

[Skip Intro]

28. Obama and Edwards took swipes at Hillary, she not at them. Respect is earned.

I had it for Edwards once. Never quite got there with Obama.


But the gaul to say the Clinton campaign should be apologetic...wow.

[jenmito]

29. She swiped at Obama by saying "change" is just a word if you don't have

the experience, etc. to back it up.

[Skip Intro]

31. She's playing up her experience. I see how it could be seen as a swipe tho>

[CyberPieHole]

49. Obama does lack experience...that's a fact not a "swipe"...

If he wants to run for president he needs to toughen up a bit...though I don't know what he can do about his inexperience between now and election day?:shrug:

[MalloyLiberal]

32. Last I checked 18 yr olds could vote

[DemBones DemBones]

41. Yes, but historically they have never voted in large numbers,

as was hoped when the voting age was lowered.

[Basileus Basileon]

33. So is this an example of "pledging to keep it positive?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3707838&mesg_id=3707838

[cuke]

35. BS from the very start

This one likes to call posts racist and run away without defending it's accusations

[Clintonista2]

51. I saw what kind of person he was right around the McClurkin thing

That was when he claimed to be a clinton supporter, and made a post about how he donated to Obama for going on tour with McClurkin. Then he went to every thread and argued that McClurkin was innocent in all this, and his quotes had been taken out of context. It was hilarious.

[AtomicKitten]

34. Sounds like sour grapes to me.

[rufus dog]

38. an attempt to insult - Yes

I would give it a 2 on a scale of 10 - not pathetically lame, but lame!

Obama's comments are based upon a history of a certain group of people fighting over every issue. From the VietNam War, equal rights, music, dress, hair styles, smoking dope, on and on. It is not a shot at the boomer's it is an observation. Most of us don't give a shit, if asked if we smoked weed the answer would be yes, move on, non issue. We don't defend the music we listen to, nor care if someone else listens to shitty music, we dress the way we want, sometimes in suits, sometimes in jeans, we really don't see color or have stereotypes, being gay is accepted, having equal rights for gays seems like a silly issue to discuss, they work, pay taxes, should have equal rights and opportunity.

Penn's comments are meant to be divisive, Obama is trying to get a certain group of boomers to take a close look at themselves, hopefully they will see the chip on their shoulder and move on, but if they don't the majority of us are tired of listening to it and fighting over issues that have already been resolved. And because someone was for equal rights for blacks and may have smoked some dope, thought VietNam was a mistake, and had long hair, has absolutely nothing to do with current issues. In this specific example, equal rights for gays. The arguement always incorporates past history when it should be. They pay taxes, do their part for the U.S. economy, and have the same rights. Case closed.

[guruoo]

40. Have you ever actually worked in an election campaign?

No offense, I'm just askin' :shrug:

[Clintonista2]

44. I geuss we now know what a pledge by Calguy is worth.

ZERO.

[calteacherguy]

45. I stand by my pledge.

Not to smear or say derogatory things about candidates. Disgree on issues is fine.

I only wish Clinton's advisors would also take the pledge. I'm not the one be negative or disrespectful here, I'm simply reporting the news.

[Clintonista2]

46. You're "reporting the news" by inserting negative value statements into the story?

"Childish" "Need to grow up" - How very positive of you! You have a job waiting for you at Fox.

[calteacherguy]

47. Those aren't value statements.

They are statements of fact. They implied that "18 year olds" don't look like caucus goers.

Very derogatory. We have 18 year olds dying in Iraq.

[Clintonista2]

48. They are value statements.

You broke your "pledge" to only post positive things about the frontrunners. Man up to your broken promise, and maybe you can salvage whats left of your reputation.

[smalll]

50. LOL - plus, with the January 3rd caucus, they won't be back in school to vote!

Can you think of anything more bone-headed than relying on the notoriously non-voting pajama-pants-piercings-and-flip-flops crowd? Oh yeah: gratuitously insulting the grayhairs (you know, the peeps who, you know like, actually vote?) To Obama, again I say

[zulchzulu]

52. Consider the source...Mark Penn is a stooge

I'm glad he's in the Clinton campaign. He's a hothead who's going to lose it under pressure once the numbers start going down full throttle soon.

His arrogance fits his personality and mission perfectly.

:puke:

[BenDavid]

53. There was no insult. I believe you O supporters are in such

dire straits that you are looking for anything to attack HRC.....But my question is why does Obama lie about wanting to be President. What? You O supporters might be asking yourselves. Well last night O said that running for president was not a long-held ambition. uh huh I can cite several newspaper interviews with O's teachers who said that as a child he wrote that he wanted to be president.uh huh

I know you may not think it is a big deal but your candidate cannot come off as holier then thou and attack HRC and then in the next breath tell a LIE!

I do thank you
Ben David

[Terri S]

54. I wanted to be a ballerina

it was not a long held ambition. I guess you never wanted to be president, hmm? Talk about dire straits.

If he was so power-driven to be President I doubt he would have given up Wall Street for the Southside of Chicago.

[Odin2005]

57. This 21yo Facebook user sez to Grunwald and Penn: GO FUCK YOURSELVES!!!

Nice way for the Clintonistas to insult the generation that in increasing youth voter turnout for the first time since the early 80s and dominates the Netroots. Then again, the DLC corporate whores hates us young "Nutroots" folks because we don't kowtow to the Establishment.

[murbley40]

58. Just another reason, I won't vote for Hillary!!