I had to turn off Obama's speech when he started to attack Hillary.

[grasswire]

And I actually oppose Hillary and do not want her to be our nominee.

When a candidate is before the people to tell us what he will do, I don't want him to be positioning himself against other Democrats in ways that are harmful to the party in the general election.

The negativity was intolerable. I had to turn it off.

[RaleighNCDUer]

1. Well, you see, he has to attack her.

Otherwise, it's hard to tell them apart.

[grasswire]

16. John Edwards did a pretty good job of ...

....differentiating himself from the other candidates last night without going negative. And don't mistake me for an Edwards fan. I have no chosen candidate at this time.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

2. You probably won't be listening to any more Obama speeches between now and Nov. 2008...

...because the definition of "the gloves are off" is "take down Hillary."

Google "obama gloves are off" and realize that what you don't want is exactly what you're going to get for the next 12 months.

:patriot:

[jonnyblitz]

4. no it won't be for 12 months, the winner of the primary will be

determined way before the election in 12 months. either hillary or obama will be out of the picture as soon as we have a winner which will be long before then.

[RaleighNCDUer]

17. Hillary or Obama, or both.

Edwards is still in it, and Dennis is moving up every day.

There is no sure thing.

[BeyondGeography]

3. Excuse him for trying to win

He submitted all the proper forms to be the nominee and they still told him he needed to get voters to support him.

[sandnsea]

5. When Hillary attacked Obama before

his speech, I guess she set the tone. Or maybe Biden set the tone earlier, when he attacked Hillary.

[papau]

27. ? ? "turn up the heat on the GOP" speech was an attack on Obama? - I missed

that - indeed Obama's attacks on Hillary - which I did catch - have been mild in my opinion.

It is the greatly increased media attack on Hillary that has changed the race - again IMO.

[oasis]

6. Obama is running the risk of losing his senate seat if his back-stabbing cost Dems the WH.

Maybe he won't run for re-election. He's just as likely to ask his pal Oprah to finance the PR for his two year presidential campaign to remove Pres. Giulliani from the White House.

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[Kurt_and_Hunter]

10. Welcome to DU. You'll fit right in...

[oasis]

11. Newbie read the rules and think twice before making personal attacks.

[Colobo]

12. The newbie was rude, but right. Obama is not back-stabbing anyone.

He's trying to beat Clinton and Clinton is trying to beat him.

[oasis]

14. If Obama continues to torpedo Hillary, he could wound her for the general. Her

loss vaults Obama to the top of the list of Rudy's 2012 challengers. Obama doesn't have to wait out an eight year Hillary Administration.

[JTFrog]

19. Didn't seem to hurt Hillary

when she threw her little torpedo at Kerry during the fucking GENERAL in '04. (which hurt Edwards as well) She was re-elected by a landslide.

[jefferson_dem]

23. Criticizing one for not reading the rules while breaking them in the same sentence?

Low post-count call outs are a "no no."

[calteacherguy]

7. Did you expect him to just turn the other cheek? nt

[rwheeler31]

8. Woops the barbie thread

[gmudem]

13. So

So now talking about your opponents actual positions and votes on issues is harmful? I don't support Clinton or Obama, but Obama was just making great points about Clinton's record if you ask me.

[aquart]

15. Welcome to DU.

My, we're newbie rich tonight.

Yeah, getting excited over some out front confrontation is just silly. It's going to get much bloodier than that. Primaries are not for the faint of heart or weak of stomach.

[LostinVA]

26. It's probably the same person

VA... GMU....

[DrFunkenstein]

18. Where Does He Attack Clinton?

Could someone point out where he refers to Clinton in his speech?

He could have been referring to anybody when he said "telling Americans what they think they want to hear instead of telling the American people what they need to hear just won't do it."

Or "Not answering questions because we're afraid our answers just won't be popular just won't do it."

Lots of people plant questions at debates. People did it in 2004, too.

Just because he referred to "triangulating and poll-driven positions" doesn't mean he is referring to Hillary Clinton and Mark Penn, or Dick Morris for that matter.

"I don't want to spend the next year or the next four years refighting the same fights that we had in the 1990s."

Hey, lots of the candidates are polarizing figures from the 90s. Newt Gingrich is running, right?

"When I am the nominee of this party, the Republican nominee will not be able to say I voted for the war in Iraq, or that I gave George Bush the benefit of the doubt on Iran, or that I support Bush-Cheney policies of not talking to leaders that we don't like."

Well, actually, that does cover most of the candidates. But at least Hillary Clinton apologized for making the wrong vote. I like that she doesn't feel like she has to pretend she is "tough" by sending hundreds of thousands of soldiers into harms way. She just prefers to.

[JTFrog]

20. "But at least Hillary Clinton apologized for making the wrong vote."

Really? She did?

Then why did she say this:

"If the most important thing to any of you is choosing someone who did not cast that vote or has said his vote was a mistake, then there are others to choose from," Mrs. Clinton told an audience in Dover, N.H., in a veiled reference to two rivals for the nomination, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois and former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina.

[earthlover]

25. Good Catch!

[MalloyLiberal]

21. Good for you

You're allowed to have an opinion, even if a lot of DU'ers will name call you.

[Perry Logan]

22. I believe it's "Desperate Loser Strategy No.1"

[earthlover]

24. Hillary: "I thought that was irresponsible and frankly naive,"

So...even Hillary can go negative against Obama at times, as we saw a while ago...

If Hillary had not gone negative herself, perhaps a case could be made for not attacking her.

But...what is good for the gander is also good for the geese.