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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:34 AM
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Can Obama end the "American War?"
Andrew Sullivan offers the most provocative and persuasive reasons for the candidacy of Barack Obama that I've seen to date. While I'm no big fan of Sullivan, he puts many things into proper perspective and should be given great consideration no matter what your political bent.

Goodbye to All That

The logic behind the candidacy of Barack Obama is not, in the end, about Barack Obama. It has little to do with his policy proposals, which are very close to his Democratic rivals’ and which, with a few exceptions, exist firmly within the conventions of our politics. It has little to do with Obama’s considerable skills as a conciliator, legislator, or even thinker. It has even less to do with his ideological pedigree or legal background or rhetorical skills. Yes, as the many profiles prove, he has considerable intelligence and not a little guile. But so do others, not least his formidably polished and practiced opponent Senator Hillary Clinton


But he knows, and privately acknowledges, that the fundamental point of his candidacy is that it is happening now. In politics, timing matters. And the most persuasive case for Obama has less to do with him than with the moment he is meeting. The moment has been a long time coming, and it is the result of a confluence of events, from one traumatizing war in Southeast Asia to another in the most fractious country in the Middle East. The legacy is a cultural climate that stultifies our politics and corrupts our discourse.

Obama’s candidacy in this sense is a potentially transformational one. Unlike any of the other candidates, he could take America—finally—past the debilitating, self-perpetuating family quarrel of the Baby Boom generation that has long engulfed all of us. So much has happened in America in the past seven years, let alone the past 40, that we can be forgiven for focusing on the present and the immediate future. But it is only when you take several large steps back into the long past that the full logic of an Obama presidency stares directly—and uncomfortably—at you.

At its best, the Obama candidacy is about ending a war—not so much the war in Iraq, which now has a mo­mentum that will propel the occupation into the next decade—but the war within America that has prevailed since Vietnam and that shows dangerous signs of intensifying, a nonviolent civil war that has crippled America at the very time the world needs it most. It is a war about war—and about culture and about religion and about race. And in that war, Obama—and Obama alone—offers the possibility of a truce


http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200712/obama


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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:40 AM
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1. not this again! this has been posted twice before.
it prints out to 13 pages. I regret wasting the paper and ink.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:40 AM
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2. Be prepared to be flamed for showing the slightest respect to Sullivan
Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 01:40 AM by BeyondGeography
even though he runs intellectual circles around many of his blogging brethren on the left.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:52 AM
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5. I know...
He also out thinks many of our family members here as well. :evilgrin:
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 05:48 AM
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9. He's the only one to recognize that Greenland's gonna benefit from Global Warming
The man's a genius!!

:sarcasm:
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:50 AM
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3. Haven't read it yet.
But it's bookmarked and I'll get to it. :hi:

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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:51 AM
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4. Please do...
It's a great read on the facts as they are.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:27 AM
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6. He's right.
Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 02:34 AM by calteacherguy
The time is now. It's really not about Obama or Clinton; it's much bigger than that.

America is awakening again.

It's happened before...The Declaration of Independence, The Emancipation Proclamation, The New Deal, Ask not what your country can do for you but...

America's been asleep for awhile. A new day is dawning again.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:58 AM
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7. wow
Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 03:13 AM by noiretblu
it's an interesting article, to be sure. but, i don't believe in the magical negro, even one who lived in indonesia and coverted to christianity as an adult. sullivan does make some good points about persistent divisions, but i think it will take a lot more than obama to heal the soul of america. i don't necessarily oppose him, but i am concerned about the fantastical expectations some have of him.
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 05:43 AM
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8. I don't think most expect him to do it all
But i would agree with them that he is most likely the best suited to start the process and guide it in the beginning
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 10:39 AM
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12. sullivan thinks his face alone will change the dynamic
Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 10:56 AM by noiretblu
and i think that is a fantastical expectation. powell and rice have black faces too...their faces didn't change anything.
many of the claims in that article are of that nature, including that claim that obama's presence helped sullivan heal his soul of racist thoughts. i just don't want to see obama saddled with a bunch of bizarre expectations because he is a black man. likewise, i am sure i trust where some of his supporters (including sullivan) are truly coming from.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 05:50 AM
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10. Has he ever gotten the repukes to stop any of their crap?
Did he stop them from bashing gays in 2006? Will he stop the upcoming assault on immigrants? Has he gotten them to admit that Global Warming is real? Evolution?

What is he waiting for?
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 10:50 AM
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13. no, but he does have a lot of republican support
Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 10:53 AM by noiretblu
according to sullivan. i am not so sure that is a great thing, considering who and what some of them have been supporting. he hasn't stopped anything, but he has demonstrated that his willing to embrace some elements that other democrats won't. i think the best point sullivan made it about the extent to which religion is one the dominant paradigms of the day, and obama does seem to understand that and operate within that paradigm with some success. but, i don't care for some of his baby boomer rhetoric or sullivan's for that matter...personally, i don't think it's all that true. then again, i am on the tail-end of that generation, so vietnam was not the issue for me that it was for other. i think sullivan is probably from the generation that grew up during the backlash, and i think many of his ideas were shaped via that prism. and he's gay, so i am surprised (but not) that he didn't mention obama's embrace of a homophobe.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 03:53 PM
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14. Well.....
You know that I know, there are no "magical kneegrows" but this guy is at the right place at the right time, and Sullivan aptly describes the confluence.


Hope you're well. :hi:
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western mass Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 07:10 AM
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11. Nice summary of why NOT to vote for Obama...
Like Chamberlain appeasing the Nazis.

Some forces in the world you either destroy or be destroyed by them. The nazis in the 30's. The neocons now. Obama's desire to "get along" with these criminals is all the reason I need to be against him.
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