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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 07:47 PM
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Draft Buchanan!
Since the Repubs have decided to finance their boy Nader to fuck up our election again, there should be a draft Buchanan movement; and I'm not just advocating it to even out the competition. I think a strong Buchanan right would remind the Republican Party where their roots are just like how Nader has caused the Democratic Party to become more in tune with its base.
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POed_Ex_Repub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 07:49 PM
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1. Hell yeah!
And I think there are enough angry conservatives to make it one heck of a split.
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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 07:51 PM
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4. I know plenty of them.
They're tired of outsourcing in particular. But there are still many Republicans in the South who vote Bush against their economic interests because of social issues. Imagine what kind of damage someone like Buchanan would do with appropriate media coverage.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 07:52 PM
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5. Let's do it!
We just have to convince the man to run and find the money to fund him.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 07:50 PM
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2. Roy Moore
Mr. Moore has said that he may run on the Constitutional party ticket. I think we've got a much better chance of him running than Buchanan.
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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 07:52 PM
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6. As in Howard Philips's Constitutional Party?
That's protectionist, so that's cool with me.
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no one in particular Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 07:53 PM
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7. That may work.
Old Roy's got one hell of an ego and has been making noises about running. Siphon off enough fundies and it could get interesting.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:00 PM
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13. Can we push them to do that?
Edited on Fri Feb-20-04 08:00 PM by knight_of_the_star
Put their egos ahead of their better sense?

I think that's doable if he was willing to defy the courts all the way until the SCOTUS ignored him.
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mot78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 09:24 PM
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26. I agree
The Constitution Party is as powerful on the right as the Greens are on the left. Roy Moore's celebrity status would also do a great deal to help him.
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no one in particular Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 07:51 PM
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3. Not gonna happen
Pat's blown his chance(s). Even those that supported him in the past wouldn't take him seriously anymore. If you could somehow get Tancredo to jump in, that might throw a monkey wrench in the machinery.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 07:54 PM
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9. How has be blown it? Curious....
cause I love the idea :evilgrin:
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no one in particular Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:03 PM
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14. Look at his support.
Edited on Fri Feb-20-04 08:08 PM by no one in particular
He ran in 92, 96 and 2000.


In '92 he gets the endorsement of Rush.



In '96 he upsets Dole in New Hampshire, but Rush abandons Buchanan. Campaign fails.


Fast forward to 2000. His total in 2000 was less than 1/2 of 1 percent. Killed the Reform Party in the process.

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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:28 PM
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20. But in 2000, the right wing anger was completely focused on Clinton
Edited on Fri Feb-20-04 08:32 PM by AntiCoup2k
...and by proxy, on Gore. They went with Junior because Rush and FAUX told them to.

This time around, various factions of the right are as pissed at Junior as they are at anyone who might be the Democratic nominee.

Pat Buchanan is outspoken against the invasion of Iraq, the PNAC agenda overall, and the big government spending of this Fraudministration as well. A lot of Republicans agree with him on at least one of those, some with all three.

I honestly hope Pat goes for it.
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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 07:55 PM
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11. Free trade hasn't been proven crappy till now.
He has a chance, but he's said that he would spend his time working on his book. I still hope he runs.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:13 PM
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18. The conservatives have already asked Tancredo
to run & he turned them down.

Roy Moore is more likely.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 04:29 AM
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33. Crazy Idea Maybe But What About Lou Dobbs?
Dobbs, like Buchanan is another conservative media egomaniac. Dobbs is now on a roll with his daily shows about the horrors of outsourcing and loss of jobs. He's also very anti-Bush as far as the President's proposed handling of immigration is concerned. Dobbs has a couple of very high-profile populist issues going. Also today I saw Dobbs and David Drier almost shout at each other regarding the Bush administration's handling of the economy. Dobbs was very upset with Drier and Drier ended the interview with a scowl saying "Have fun!". Dobbs is one of the few anti-Bush conservatives on TV (although I still personally dislike him intensely). Would a draft Dobbs effort be crazy? Perhaps he's too fat, happy, and rich and wouldn't want to put in the effort. But the guy does have a gigantic ego.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 07:54 PM
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8. Great idea!
I've seen Buchanan on Hardball frequently and have been astounded that he sounds like a moderate compared to Dubya! That's how far right this administration is. I never would have believed 10 years ago that there would be a politician I would dislike more than Buchanan.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 07:55 PM
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10. And I was all prepared to jump all over you...
Anyone willing to plant the seed at FR?

I haven't got the stomach for it, but I know we have some sneaaky little evilDUers ou there...
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:05 PM
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15. What's FR?
Anyway, I thought Michael Paroutka was the Constitution Party candidate for president.

I must say I am tempted to send them money just to give Bush a run for his money, but it could backfire. People pissed about job outsourcing who may be tempted to vote Democrat would have a choice more in keeping with their conservative social values.

In any case, I don't think the Constitution Party could be much worse than Bush. At least they are honest about their reactionary agenda.

I got it - let's keep our two party system only instead of Democrats and Republicans we'll have Constitution and Green!

;-)
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:41 PM
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22. Free Republic nt
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Finch Donating Member (487 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:06 PM
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16. Nope sorry....
Not Buchanan... Roy Moore "Ten Commandments Judge" looks like he may run as third party... and may well act as a right wing Nader in fact probably more successful as i really doubt that Nader will even get 1/2 what he got last time... i mean i just don't understand those who would vote for Nader in this election at the last election sure i understood that Bush appeared to be pretty similar to Gore but please in this election of all elections to throw away your vote in what amounts to a tamrtum... don't get it, really don't, you might as well vote for Bush in an effort to hasten the pre revolutionary tension (thats one rational at least)... I mean even Nader how can he square with his conscience giving Bush four more years to rape the environment, pump up the budget deficit and generally wreck the Nation and the world its not that Bush and his Administration is a suedo fascist as some here think its just he is the most radically reckless and thoughtless leader we have ever had i mean the guy is "nuts" he spends and spends, cuts taxes and then does so again and again, peels back decades of enviromental legislation, alienates most of the world and then begins to blur the lines between the church and the state while at the same time doing favors for what ever one of his cronies asks...its not evil its recklessness and incompetance... and thats why we absolutly must take back the white house in 2004
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no one in particular Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:09 PM
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17. Freepers hate Buchanan
The few that liked him have been long purged. They hate him as much as they hate Democrats.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:15 PM
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19. I Agree
I posted about this yesterday...they hate Buchanan.

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:43 PM
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23. Really? Do you know why?
I'd have thought they'd love him...

How 'bout the Libertarians?
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no one in particular Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 09:00 PM
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25. Freepers hate libertarians, too.
Edited on Fri Feb-20-04 09:04 PM by no one in particular
They call them losertarians or libertines. The freepers of today are not the same as the freepers of 98. I was a freeper back then, and a Buchanan supporter. I shifted leftward, the freepers shifted authoritarian. The freepers honestly believe that Bush is the only thing standing between the America they love and a communist, gay-infested, godless hellhole.


They're nuts.

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 01:05 AM
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27. That goes without saying, of course. But I'm glad you have seen
the light!
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 01:09 AM
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28. ; - )
:evilgrin:
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absyntheNsugar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 07:56 PM
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12. Hey I would send money for that
nt
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:30 PM
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21. I do wish there were a 3rd party for white evangelicals
especially today
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 02:53 AM
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32. I'd like to see another planet for white evangelicals.
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cryofan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:45 PM
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24. We don't even NEED Buchanan, just a limited-state, sham candidate
I like Bushanan, and have voted for him before. But we do not need him. All we need is a sham candidate. All he has to do is be on the ballot as a 3rd party in a handful of the crucial swing states, like Florida. Then have enough money to run advertising for him, promoting a HARD RIGHT, FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE, ANTI-IMMIGRATION platform. This advertising could be laser targeted to areas that have high concentrations of Bush voters.

This candidate does not even have to do interviews. In fact, that aspect of him would give him the notoriety, if we give him enough money to attract media attention, to take enough votes from Bush to allow the Democrat to win in those states.
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katieforeman Donating Member (785 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 01:48 AM
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29. great idea!
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 01:52 AM
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30. This is the most sickening healthy idea I've seen here
It hurts to laugh, but man oh man, that idea is so right on the mark it's wicked!
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 02:20 AM
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31. Not Buchanan
the NeoCons hate him now; he wouldn't draw any votes from Bush.

The guy we need is Judge Roy Moore!!! The Fundies who are mad at Dubya love him, & he's an egomaniac. He wants to run for some political office.
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