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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:22 PM
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A little information about Mark Penn...
Mark J. Penn is worldwide CEO of the PR firm Burson-Marsteller (B-M), a position he has held since December 2005. <1> He is also the president of the polling firm Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates (PSB), which he co-founded in 1975.

Penn is also U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton's top presidential campaign strategist. A biographical note states that he "has worked with Mrs. Clinton for over six years, since he ran the polling and messaging for her successful election to the US Senate in 2000." <2>

Penn also served as NPI Fellow at the New Politics Institute. He advised United Kingdom Prime Minister Tony Blair "for his successful run for a third term." Penn is "best known for serving as President Bill Clinton's pollster and political adviser for the 1996 re-election campaign and throughout the second term of the administration. He also ran the polling and messaging and was part of the media team for the successful Senate campaign of Hillary Clinton, serving as her chief campaign adviser. He advises organizations and companies on a wide range of image, branding and competitive marketing assignments. Mark has been a key adviser to Bill Gates and Microsoft for the last 6 years." <3> <4>

--There's more....

While the Clinton campaign says Penn "is currently working only with Microsoft" for his day job, an internal Burson-Marsteller blog "suggests ... he has been working with multiple clients," reported Bloomberg News. Blog posts by Penn mention work for Shell Oil, the energy company TXU, and the U.S. Tuna Foundation. In one post, Penn says "the mixing of corporate and political work" is "helpful in cross-pollinating new ideas and skills." The Nation notes Burson-Marsteller's astroturf "attacks against environmental and consumer groups," and its "confrontational relationship with organized labor," as well as Penn's polling firm's work for the nuclear power industry (which the Center for Media and Democracy reported on).

And one more thing...

In mid-2007, the dual role of Mark Penn as the CEO of the PR firm Busron-Marsteller and chief strategist for the Democratic Party's Presidential aspirant Hilliary Clinton, irked some labor leaders. The New York Times reported that labor leaders Bruce Raynor of UniteHere, and James Hoffa of the Teamsters union, wrote to Clinton expressing their concern about B-M's anti-labor work. "He cannot serve two masters, working for a pro-union candidate and working for anti-union companies," Teamsters President Jim Hoffa said. <6>

Penn, who commented for both himself and the Clinton campaign, stated that "Senator Clinton’s well-documented support for pro-union causes would not in any way be affected by some clients in a firm related to the corporate network of one of her advisers. There is no connection whatsoever with her pro-union record." He also said "I personally had zero involvement in any of the work related to Cintas." <7>

Subsequently, Penn told Atlantic Online "I have recused myself from working on any management-side labor relations work." <8>

Ari Berman, who has written on Penn's PR life in The Nation is unimpressed. Penn, he wrote, is "not distancing himself from the money the "labor relations" wing brings in and the other controversial clients B-M represents in the defense, pharmaceutical and energy industries and the Republican lobbyists he oversees." Berman views Penn's "recusal" pledge is "a phony gesture that fails to address the underlying problems or the reasons prominent labor leaders are upset with Clinton's campaign." <9>


--"Meet the new boss, Same as the old boss." IMO

If you work for a living, you must support Edwards.

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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:26 PM
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1. sounds like he's good at what he does
I can understand why Clinton hired him. She means to win.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:28 PM
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2. Yeah,
Corporate pals love to hang together.
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obnoxiousdrunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:33 PM
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4. Well if you are running for
President of Corporate America you do need Corporate pals to win.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:32 PM
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3. And please....
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 04:08 PM
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5. ok
"Yet Penn is no ordinary pollster. Beyond his connections to the Clintons, he not only polls for America's biggest companies but also runs one of the world's premier PR agencies ."

I particularly like the "world's premier PR agencies" part.

Politics these days is mostly PR, and that Clinton is choosing one of the best in the business bodes well for her campaign.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 04:11 PM
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6. So who they represent dose not matter to you?
Election at any cost? Is that it?
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 04:27 PM
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8. why should it matter?
Is Mark Penn going to be in the White House? Is he making policy?

What cost? Unless you can show that Mark Penn is going to be influencing any policy decisions that HRC makes once elected, I don't see how your argument holds any water.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 04:32 PM
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9. "Election at any cost" indeed...
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 04:19 PM
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7. "If you work for a living, you must support Edwards"
Why not support Dennis? The rank and file want him, the locals want him, the upper levels of labor endorsed others.

-Hoot
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 04:35 PM
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10. Yeah, I caught that too
So these are Edward's swiftbots, eh?
At least they've finally come out in the open about it.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 04:39 PM
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11. I do support DK...
I've sent money, and as I've said here before, he has a once in a generation mind. That being said, I would rather see him in a meaningful cabinet post.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:09 PM
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12. Me too, the most meaningful one, President.
:P

-Hoot
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:39 PM
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13. May I ask,
who is your second choice to DK? Do you have one?
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:17 PM
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14. No, I don't.
For me it's Dennis, he gets my primary vote. If he's not in the primary when it rolls around, I'll probably write in Gore to register dissent.

I will say that Edwards sucks a little less than Hillary or Obama, but, still Dennis I would be voting *for*, anyone else would be registering my vote against the rest of the pack.

-Hoot
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 09:25 PM
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15. Thank you for your answer.
And I do truly appreciate your honesty about how you feel. Good luck.
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