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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 10:43 AM
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Democratic Debate: Winners and Losers
WINNERS
Hillary Rodham Clinton: Clinton's performance in tonight's debate will quiet (if not totally silence) talk that her campaign is struggling. Clinton set the tone early on by pushing back aggressively against Obama and Edwards and, in our mind, got the best of both exchanges. She was clearly aided by a sympathetic crowd who decided early on that they weren't interested in watching the candidates fight. As a result, Clinton largely got a pass on her three biggest weaknesses: her equivocation on driver's licenses for illegal immigrants, her vote to designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization and her vote in favor of the 2002 use of force resolution against Iraq. On a question about playing the gender card -- another potential problem area -- Clinton was clearly prepared and delivered her line of the night: "People are not attacking me because I am a woman, they are attacking me because I am ahead."

Barack Obama: Yes, we know he fumbled the same question (driver's licenses for undocumented immigrants) that Clinton muffed in the last debate. And, yes, of course he should have known that sort of question was coming and been better prepared to answer it cleanly. But, put that flub aside and Obama offered himself as a credible and -- more importantly -- safe alternative to Clinton in last night's debate. The first 15 minutes were dominated by a back and forth between he and Clinton (a good thing for a campaign trying to turn this into a two-person race) and for much of the rest of the debate Obama offered his "we can do more" vision succinctly and forcefully. "Don't keep on assuming we can't do something," Obama scolded Blitzer at one point. "I am running for president because I think we can do it."

Joe Biden: We can't help it, we like the guy. Biden is regularly the life of these debates -- launching self deprecating one-liners one minute and riffing on how he was introducing legislation before some of the candidates on the stage were even born the next. Biden is at his best when talking foreign policy and he got plenty of opportunities to do that last night. He spoke eloquently about the dangers posed by Iran and scored points on Pakistan by noting that he had spoken to both President Pervez Musharraf and former prime minister Benazir Bhutto before President Bush had.

LOSERS
John Edwards: For those pushing the idea that Clinton's decision to directly respond to Edwards was a sign that the race is now officially a three-way contest, we say hogwash. Clinton effectively shot Edwards down in their first exchange and when Edwards tried to again go at Clinton later in the debate he was all but booed down by the audience. Make no mistake: Edwards is an able debater who clearly knows what he believes and says it. But, for most of last night's debate it felt as though he were extraneous to the proceedings and when he did get his speaking time he seemed slightly too keyed up for the audience.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/11/democratic_debate_winners_and_2.html?hpid=topnews
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 10:47 AM
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1. I liked Cillizza's final line
"If you aren't in that top tier, you have to find your own way to stand out (see Biden, Joe). Politics ain't beanbag."

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nightrider767 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 10:52 AM
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2. Edwards is still in it
This debate will be all but forgotten next week and if Edwards changes course and gets off the negative, he'll be viewed in a completely new light.

But Edwards and Obama did do the right thing by challenging Hillary. The debates where turning into a Hillary love-fest.

In the end, to have a chance, Edwards is going to have a articulate a position that not only inspires Americans, but also uplifts.

Our country is currently is a "funk" like at the end of the Carter administration.

The candidate who inspires will win.
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Terri S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 11:08 AM
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3. My comment to Chris's article...
This was not a debate, it was a circus! There were no winners and the whole country came out losers.

CNN should never be allowed to host a debate again. It was appalling the way candidates were booed and heckled by a clearly over-represented Hillary crowd. The disruption and distraction it caused, along with the incessant cutting-off by Blitzer was truly astonishing. To top it off, they have Gergen and Colville doing after-debate analysis..both former employees of Bill Clinton.

This country is facing some terribly serious issues. These debates should be giving the American people more information on how these candidates will face those issues, and instead they are subjected media-spun sports events and political game shows.

The country was not served well last night, and every pundit that continues to call it a win/lose for candidates are simply adding to the travesty.

The country lost last night. Period.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 11:21 AM
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4. well said
I was there and if there was one constant refrain coming from the audience members around me it was that the questions were ridiculous and couldn't have been put forth any worse by fox news.

the whole thing was a travesty when it comes to the questions asked. Having said that the chance to be at a debate with all of our candidates was very exciting and invigorating despite the ridiculous questions and I think that most of the people in the crowd walked away feeling very good about our field despite the horrendous presentation by CNN.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 11:41 AM
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6. That b/s with Blitzer cutting off answers if he didn't like them
but he would let other people go on at length.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 11:24 AM
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5. I'm glad to see Obama getting some credit for his performance.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 11:44 AM
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7. Posted two minutes after your "diamonds" piece promoting Clinton
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