Clinton campaign's response to Obamas statement on Novak hit piece...

[SaveElmer]

"Once again Senator Obama is echoing Republican talking points, this time from Bob Novak. This is how Republicans work. A Republican leaning journalist runs a blind item designed to set Democrats against one another. Experienced Democrats see this for what it is. Others get distracted and thrown off their games. Voters should be concerned about the readiness of any Democrat inexperienced enough to fall for this. There is only one campaign in this race that has actually engaged in the very practice that Senator Obama is decrying, and it's his. We have no idea what Mr. Novak's item is about and reject it totally. Instead of pointing fingers at us, Senator Obama should get back to the issues and focus on what this election is really about."

Democrats again fall for a rw disinformation campaign...

[saracat]

1. Mark penn at work again trying to spin his own corruption to his advantage.nice touch.

[sufrommich]

5. And your proof is where?

[saracat]

12. Martk Penns website for one.He is proud of these tactics.I suggest you read about him WP Below

A Few Degrees of Separation From Hillary Clinton's Top Adviser

By Jeffrey H. Birnbaum
Tuesday, February 20, 2007; Page A11

Mark J. Penn is a man who wears many hats: high-paid political and corporate pollster, chief executive of an international communications and lobbying company, and chief strategist to New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's bid for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Enough connections for you?

Well, there are more. Penn's firm, Burson-Marsteller Worldwide -- with 2,000 employees and $300 million a year in revenue -- owns BKSH & Associates, the major lobbying firm chaired by Charles R. Black Jr. That's right, Black, counselor to Republican presidents, reports to Clinton's top strategist. ...

Full story link
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[sufrommich]

15. Connections to what? Where is the

connection to the Novak story? Clue: There isn't one.

[saracat]

17. I said these were the "tactic's of Penn.And they are.

[sufrommich]

21. LOL! So you're not accusing Clinton

of putting this vile story out there? Right.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. PWNED

DSB

[saracat]

26. Personally? No.I said it appears to be the 'tactic's of Penn. She should be

ashamed to be associated with such a person but she approves of him apparently!

[sufrommich]

32. No,this is what you said:

"Mark penn at work again trying to spin his own corruption to his advantage.nice touch."
That seems like a pretty cut and dried accusation to me.

[saracat]

37. What I meant is his campaign statement is accusing others of what he is probably doing and that is m...

OPINION.i AM SURE PENN FORMULATED THIS CAMPAIGN RESPONSE.iT IS AFTER ALL HIS JOB WITH THE CAMPAIGN! tHAT IS WHAT I REFER TO.sORRY MY CAP KEY STUCK.I AM NOT SHOUTING BUT I DON'T WANT TO RETYPE.

[SaveElmer]

50. Wasn't Penn's statement...

You might want to stop digging...

[saracat]

53. Maybe not.I said "sounded like".he probably contributed it

Mark Penn is chief strategist after all.

[HughMoran]

28. Your tactics are pretty scary

Accusations without proof?

Whaaaaa? Are you fucking shitting me?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. She Would Have Been Right At Home In Stalinist Russia

Proof... She doesn't need no stinken proof...

[saracat]

44. I have posted "proof" and where to find it on countless threads.

Some never accept "proof" All I am saying is that Mark Penn is a corrupt enabler of the corporate system with dirty political tactics.And his own website proves it.All I said was the Clinton campaign rebuttal was probably written by Penn.The FACT is Mark Penn is Hillary's chief adviser.That is a FACT.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. That's Not Proof... That's Libel

In my best Joseph Welch voice "Have you no sense of decency, maam, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency? "

[saracat]

52. Decency? Take that up with Mark Penn. How is it libelous to indicate her cheif advisor may have

written her campaign rebuttal?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. That's Not What You Said Five Minutes Ago

(Mark penn at work again trying to spin his own corruption) to his advantage.nice touch

-saracat...

The assertion embodied in your premise is that Mark Penn was involved in the original smear...

[saracat]

62. That is exactly what I wrote.And I was responding to what was the campaign rebuttal which smacks

of his touch.Sounds like the Clinton Camp is attempting to accuse the accuser.That is the point.Believe as you wish.You always do anyway.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. Obama Slimed The Hill By Falsely Accusing Her Of Sliming Him On A Rumor From A GOP Operative

What part of that don't you understand?

[saracat]

65. What part of Mark Penn wrote the campaign response don't you get?

And I really don't care what Obama says and as Hillary has a lot of GOP operatives working for her.(See WP article on Penn posted elsewhere,) I could care less what either campaign states about that.Any campign that has Mark penn working for them has very little room to talk about anyone else.It is true that two wrongs don't make a right but hiring Penn puts a campaign in that a position to be questioned and suspect.It is exactly like hiring Rove.

[SaveElmer]

64. You blew it...

You made an accusation for which you had no proof...and are trying to back out of it without admitting so...and making further insinuations for which you also have no proof...

Your hole is getting deeper...

[MethuenProgressive]

68. Obama and his minions look really naive - again.

Ultra Experienced Bob Novak played Amzingly Inexperienced Barack Obama, and beat him like a dusty rug.

[Forkboy]

2. I'm loving this. It's like watching the Yankees and Canadiens beating the crap out of each other.

A win win!

[incapsulated]

19. rofl

:D

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. Somebody Said I Was Immature For Comparing This To A Boxing Match

It's like watching the Celtics and the Lakers in the late eighties...

[Forkboy]

47. Yep, lots of run and gun, some layups and slam dunks, and personal fouls.

:)

And I think a boxing match is a fine analogy.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. Is Hillary Bird And Obama Magic?

Riley could be Mark Penn... He has a devious side...

[Forkboy]

57. Nah, neither of them are that good.

:evilgrin:

I think the Riley/Penn thing is spot on though.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. The Celtics Won The Lottery

Pierce, Allen, and The Big Ticket...

Odds on favorite to win The East...

[rodeodance]

3. OUCH!!

[Colobo]

4. I put Novak and Wolfson on the same level.

[SaveElmer]

8. Then you don't know enough about Novak...

Wolfson can be an insufferable boor...but he has done nothing that puts him on Novak's level...you should do some research before saying things so patently wrong...

[Colobo]

9. I hate Wolfie. I hate Novak.

I hate them both.

[BeyondGeography]

6. Does this mean Team Clinton now rejects planting stories with all Republican-leaning

journalists? Or is Matt Drudge still Tracy Sefl's best friend?

[Colobo]

7. LOL! Good one.

[SaveElmer]

11. And yet another amateur Obama mistake...

He's been running for what...a year now...you'd think he would learn...

[saracat]

Amateur mistake, if it is a mistake is better than the professional corruption

of Mark Penn. No candidate of integrity would allow him a central campaign role.

[BeyondGeography]

16. And you've been shilling for Hill for a year

you'd think you'd know who Tracy Sefl, aka VP of Drudge Love Development, Team Clinton, is by now.

[SaveElmer]

23. Obama/Novak '08

Keep reminding everyone of yet another Obama blunder...

Maybe we can get Hillary to 60%

[BeyondGeography]

29. See, you've got nothing

that's because the picture becomes more clear every day: Your in-it-to-win-it girl is playing if-you-can't-beat-them-join-them this time around.

From the Rupert Murdoch fundraiser to the Drudge Love development agent to planting leaks with Novak, they aren't going to freeze out the RW media this time around. No siree.

And, for her, so far it's working! You and your girl must be so excited! Forgive us if we don't share your sense of joy.

[SaveElmer]

30. Keep going...

I see 61%...

[creeksneakers2]

46. I don't see what Sefl and Drudge

have to do with Novak and Obama? Obama didn't plant any stories. He hasn't been accused of planting stories.

Hillary wants better coverage from the right wing media. Why shouldn't she? It would be different if you could point out some falsehoods or smears she planted with Drudge.

[Jim Sagle]

10. While the empty suit and the empty pantsuit babble it out on Trivial Pursuit,

the REAL Dem makes hay. :beer:

[bigdarryl]

13. Sorry to say this but i believe the Clintons think they do have something on Obama thats how they ..

operate Obama is doing the right thing by responding quickly and making the Clinton campign put up or shut up.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

14. Hillary is a liar! I put my trust in the man who outed Valerie Plame

At least as long as he happens to be validating my emotional prejudices.

[bigdarryl]

18. thats what i am looking at Novak unfortunately is pretty reliable

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. Thank You For Representing Your Fellow Obama Supporters So Well

bigdarryl (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-17-07 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. thats what i am looking at Novak unfortunately is pretty reliable

[creeksneakers2]

31. I remember during the first months of Iraq

when the WMDs weren't turning up there was pressure on the Democrats to go after Bush for lying. Novak took part in a conspiracy to make Democrats fear that if they went after Bush for lying the WMDs would be later found and the Democrats would look foolish. Novak posted "insider" columns about WMD being already found. Novak said it was a big secret that would come out later.

All the freepers believed it.

[paulk]

36. but, then again, you're the poster who likes Drudge...

http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/people/robertnovak

reliable, my ass....

[ruggerson]

51. that pretty much sums it up n/t

[Skip Intro]

20. It was silly of Obama to take Novak's word at face value.

His inexperience shows.

[Texas_Kat]

33. It sorta does point out that Obama has never faced the RW smear machine

He's never personally experienced the crap that gets thrown in a really nasty campaign against the RW smear machine. I think this was really a trial ballon on behalf of the Repubs by Novak to see what Obama's reaction would be. An attempt to see how he would respond to innuendo.

They found out what they wanted to. Obama's overreacted -- just like they hoped.


:eyes:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. His Amateurishness Would Doom Us In The General Election

DSB

[Texas_Kat]

55. Likely

Candidates can't have a glass jaw and beat the Republicans.... I think his response illustrates his inability to appreciate why we've had to fight them 'since the 60's'.

I hope he learns a little from this. I hate ANY Democrat being vulnerable to Republican tactics.

[BootinUp]

61. Its not worth the risk nt

[creeksneakers2]

24. Obama asked for a response

He got one. Why the whining? The response was right on the mark, except I don't know what they are referring to when they say the Obama campaign engaged in this practice.

I like Obama and hope he goes back to his own campaign and doesn't get mixed up again with right wing tricks.

Oh, and Mark Penn has nothing to do with this.

[DURHAM D]

69. Referring to the fact that an Obama high level staff person -

has been lobbying the press to look into Bill Clinton's behavior (indiscretions) since he left W.H.

The push from Obama's camp apparently carries an indication that they have info about Bill but won't release it - they want the press to find it. Just a bunch of blah, blah, blah by both camps.

[calteacherguy]

25. She should have stuck to attack Novak instead of smearing Obama.

"There is only one campaign in this race that has actually engaged in the very practice that Senator Obama is decrying, and it's his."

That was untrue and unecesarry. She had a chance to have taken the higher ground.

This is an unfortunate incident and response from both campaigns.

[SaveElmer]

34. Of course it is true...

This very incident proves it...

In his zeal to get out from under the charge that he has gone negative...he tries to smear Hillary by associating her with a Robert Novak hit piece...

pathetic and amateurish

[denem]

39. I believe it's about 20 year 'Bill and Hill' deal

Obams's HQ is on the record with that. It's stupid, stupid stuff. It makes them look like a poor imitation of a campaign.

[SaveElmer]

41. Yeah...another example...

It just boggles my mind that he is doing this...

[calteacherguy]

40. Clinton behaved poorly by untruthfully smearing Obama in her response. nt

[SaveElmer]

43. Weird...your response to my response...

Is to repeat your original statement nearly verbatim...

good one...

[calteacherguy]

45. The responses from both campaigns were far less than stellar, to say the least. nt

[SaveElmer]

60. Obfuscation...

Obama smears

Hillary responds

They are both equally to blame...a meme the MSM uses all the time...

Obama made an unjustified accusation...trying to make her responsible for a Novak hit piece, and got called on it...Obama is the one smearing here...

And I daresay had the roles been reversed, Obama would be praised to the heavens for defending himself...

[calteacherguy]

67. Hillary made a false accusation against Obama.

They both sullied themselves.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

58. Huh-- Obama Went And Bear False Witness Against The Hill

Last I checked it was a violation of The Ten Commandments... I don't remember which one...

[denem]

35. The 'smear' is a reference to the 20 year Bill and Hill deal

Its very much on the record now as being from Obama's HQ. It is vehemently (as in beyond ultra) being denied by the Clinton camp. All this stuff does no one any good.

[CnAnPB]

66. Which *Democratic* Candidate stands to gain the most?

From all of this 'smearing' ?

[MzShellG]

70. Perhaps unbeknowing to us....

Obama was aware of the whispering campaign against him by the Clintonistas before Novakula announced. We dont really know, do we? Why wouldn't he respond unless he knows something that we dont. They've done that to him before with the muslim issue. That kind of thing turned me away from HRC.

[hijinx87]

71. the smart response to this on obama's part

was probably to just pick up the phone and call hillary. freaking
out over a novak column seems creepy and amateurish.

[CyberPieHole]

72. Once again, Obama proves he is inexperienced and ill-prepared to be president...

the office of the President is no place for on-the-job training. * is proof of that.

:kick: and recommend.