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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 06:55 AM
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Hillary Clinton's SMUG MUG & Her Bush-like Disdain For Dissenters
Hillary Clinton's SMUG MUG & Her Bush-like Disdain For Dissenters
Submitted by Linda Milazzo on Mon, 2007-11-19 11:07.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VCZ-8Fl0D4&eurl=http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/

After nearly seven long years of Americans being derided by a smug dictatorial President, there is a near compulsion amongst the electorate to choose a leader in 2008 who understands participatory democracy. A leader who sees the President as the RESPRESENTATIVE and SERVANT of The People. A leader who accepts dissent and dissenters - not simply as Constitutionally ordained - but as sincere patriotic investors in their nation.

Under the regime of George W. Bush, those who oppose him have been ridiculed and persecuted. Patriots are arrested and jailed when disputing his policies. The FBI has compiled a list of citizens charged with misdemeanors for non-violently opposing the war on Iraq, rendition, torture, and other unConstitutional and impeachable crimes of his administration.

For his part, Mr. Bush doesn't personally arrest or convict those who oppose him, although he does sanction their arrests and convictions. Instead, Mr. Bush disparages detractors by humiliating them verbally in public and smirking and mugging in a self-righteous juvenile way. Needless to say, after almost two full terms of Presidential mocking, Americans have reached the point of no return. They are tired of a President who disrespects them. They want a President who shows sensitivity to their concerns.

Unfortunately, much of George W. Bush's disdain for dissension can also be seen in Hillary Clinton. It's becoming increasingly ominous to witness Clinton's Bush-like intolerance toward citizens who voice their displeasure - which might explain the recent revelations of how her handlers manipulate her audience. http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/11/11/5158/

In particular, Clinton's "smug mugging" toward questioner Tighe Barry at Saturday's Los Angeles Presidential Forum on Global Warming, helps to forewarn potential voters of her Bush-style contempt for dissent.

more...

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/28802
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 06:59 AM
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1. Hillary Being Booed By DHLS Were Only Hope Her In The General Election
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 06:59 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
There, I said it...
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:04 AM
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2. lol.
I don't get the penchant for articles that are nothing but personal attacks and hit pieces- not genuine and thoughtful criticism. Did you watch the forum? I did. And neither Clinton nor her "handlers"
were in charge of this forum. There are real indications that Clinton doesn't tolerate dissent within her rallies. This does not build any sort of a case supporting the author's presumption.

Now, feel free to jump in with the false charge that because I disagree with this article, I'm really supporting Clinton. Don't let complexity and fairness stop you.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:27 AM
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9. I've been to two events with her over the years and neither seem to be
especially controlled. I just bought my ticket as a regular person and got in.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:05 AM
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3. Going to a Hillary Clinton rally could be just like going to a bu$h rally
I attended a Hillary Clinton rally early on and at the time thought her a great speaker, an asset to the Democratic part and the country.
That has changed over time, I am seeing too much of the same corporate BS we have put up with from the bu$h regime and then there were the plants and not hauling dissenters out of her speeches.

Just like George W. bu$h. If we allow her to get elected while doing this, it will be the new political protocol and the Constitution will have been officially buried.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:09 AM
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4. I Read The Clintons Are Already Building Mass Deportation Camps In Remote Areas Of New Mexico
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 07:09 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
DSB
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:23 AM
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7. LOL. n/t
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:20 AM
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33. I read that Clinton killed Vince Foster and Ken Starr
Also, I heard that he is actually a giant penis in a human costume sent to earth to destroy the morals and values of Americans.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:27 PM
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68. lol
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:57 PM
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73. I read
she she has an exorbitant blow habit. She only does cocaine that's been snorted and pissed out and reprocessed by blind Irish nuns.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 08:30 AM
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85. Oh, that's productive.
As to the existence of Halliburton Homeland Security Detention Camps, that is an ironclad fact. Not that Sen. Clinton had anything to do with it, but that they exist?

http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B62C8724D-AE8A-4B5C-94C7-70171315C0A0%7D&dateid=38741.5136277662-858254656

Indisputable.

But please, don't let me interrupt your yuk-fest, because as we all know, the constructions of Camps like these have NEVER signified evil times coming for those who were stuck here.

And before you flame me for violating Godwin's Law, I was discussing the Boer Victims of British Concentration Camps like Chrissiesmeer in the early 1900s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War

Is Senator Clinton planning on exposing these and shutting them down now that we spent $385,000,000 building them, you think? :rofl:

But thanks for trivializing a very real and troubling situation, making it seem, oh I don't know, that ONLY A CRAZY MOONBAT would be concerned about such things.

You know, DSB, I have always said that I would vote for Sen. Clinton if she is our nominee, but Sen. Clinton's supporters, so very reflective of Sen. Clinton's own arrogance and dismissiveness wherever I look, is making it more difficult for me to maintain that position every day.

I'm almost at the point where I am sickened of the Kabuki Theater of Amerikan "elections" where I could see myself sitting it out, the more I read bullshit like yours coming like a Mighty Wurlitzer (well, a Puny Wurlitzer...your Wurlitzer doesn't get to be called Mighty until it out-lies the reigning champs) universally from the 80% of DUers who must be supporters of Sen. Clinton, but who for some reason cannot seem to garner more than 10-15% in any Du straw poll.

You all are making it very hard for me and thousands of other here at DU who may not necessarily support Sen. Clinton in the primaries, to pull that lever for Sen. Clinton in November 2008, even though I still intend to.

I said this to you on another thread, and I thought you heard me. Well, I am saying it again.

Heckuva job, you and the rest, DSB. Heckuva job. Much more of this bullshit and maybe I'll just fucking sit home in November 2008.

And if you know how deep and genuine the dislike of Sen. Clinton is, then you realize that people like me are very important if she is to win a theft-proof victory in 2008.

But go ahead, it's much more fun to piss on us, isn't it?

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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:54 PM
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66. That's a bunch of shit
It sure as hell wasn't like that when I went to a Hillary event.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 08:35 AM
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86. How would you know, ronnyk? You were on the Approved List.
How would you know, if outside your vision and quietly, some Code Pink protestors were identified and tossed out?

How would you know if some of those in the audience were plants tossing pre-scripted softball questions?

Do tell. You made a statement of fact. I ask you, how do you know, other than your attendence at an event?
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:21 AM
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5. Hillary isn't a progressive and she isn't a liberal.
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 07:22 AM by bowens43
I really don't see much of a difference between her ever shifting stances on the issues and those of her republican counter parts. This is more of the same.She appears to be just another power hungry politician who wants the American people to just sit down and STFU because SHE knows whats best for us and WE'RE too stupid to have a valid opinion.

If she gets the nomination, I will find it very difficult to vote for her.

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:25 AM
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8. Then you aren't comparing her actual voting record to the Rethugs.
She has consistently taken the progressive position more than 90% of the time overall -- as opposed to the typical Rethug, who takes those positions less than 20% of the time.

www.progressivepunch.com
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 02:11 PM
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69. Ah
But having a 'progressive record' is easier in the senate where challenging bills can be killed and most progressive legislation gets nuked in the house. I look at her stated positions on the issues and who she is taking money from.

There are real differences between the candidates on the issues. We should not pretend otherwise, nor should we merely give our support to whoever seems to be polling best.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:22 AM
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6. I don't go to hear HRC or any other candidate being interrupted by people
screaming from the audience.

We won't appreciate it if Rethugs are screaming at our candidate during the general election. It's no different in a primary.

The difference between Bush and any of our candidates is that he limits all his audiences to only Rethugs, and he has "protest zones" set up miles away from where he speaks. I'd rather HRC allow anyone in to hear her -- and then if they become disruptive, they can leave.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:29 AM
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10. These amateurish,shit slinging,cliche ridden anti Clinton
diatribes are getting repetitive and boring.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:49 AM
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18. Yup
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:51 AM
Response to Reply #10
20. They all seem of a certain kind, in a certain style.
And we all know where the roots are.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:02 AM
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25. What really gets me is posters who will repeat
an anti-Clinton lie over and over again ,no matter how many times it's been debunked. The same posters will accuse her of "dirty tricks right out of republican playbook". Oh,the irony.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:35 AM
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11. Flame bait thread.
:thumbsdown:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:39 AM
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13. Yup, FLAME BAIT and derogatory to the Dem Party as well!
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:49 AM
Response to Reply #13
19. But it's a hit job against Clinton, so it will stay up.
That's DU.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:13 AM
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31. Over an hour on the board, and still up...
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 08:14 AM by MethuenProgressive
That's disappointing.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:44 AM
Response to Reply #11
15. Too bad you don't like it; she's a well-known liberal writer. Her opinion is
just as valid as yours.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:47 AM
Response to Reply #15
16. Please don't start another flamewar.
You're not helping.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:53 AM
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22. No flames from me; I just posted an article, one person's opinion.
We all have them. No doubt there will be tons of other opinions posted that you will no doubt cheer. As your gal says, if you can't take the heat...
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:09 AM
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27. Code Pink member defending a Code Pink member, Her opinion may
be a little biased in this case.

She's a long time member of Code Pink.


http://www.codepinkalert.org/article.php?id=500



I have nothing against Code Pink and believe they have done some great stuff, but let's stay honest with our liberal opinions.......











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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:23 AM
Response to Reply #27
38. Yes, Edwards has been pushing the "HONESTY" meme..
and suddenly whoever calls it first becomes the arbitrary JUDGE! heh!

Nice, if they are allowed to get away with it!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:58 AM
Response to Reply #27
61.  If articles were posted by people with no opinions, this
board would be empty.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:39 AM
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12. This morning on MSNBC they showed a clip of Obama yelling
at a woman because he didn't like her question.

David Shuster said Obama came off "shrill" and did poorly

I hope they play it dozens of times so everyone gets a glimpse of the real Obama, again

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:44 AM
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14. Can it be posted here, at the John Edwards Forum?
Look at the video's on the Home Page..

There are at least 3 and sometimes 5 videos at a time posted on the Home Page of John Edwards campaigning somewhere.The same video has been up for 2 days locked in the Top Spot.

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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:48 AM
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17. It was on Morning Joe. My capture card died so sorry, I can't help
It may turn up on youtube
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #14
62. I've noticed that saturation of videos
it's laughable.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:52 AM
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21. Hillary looked great up there on the big screen. Dam Edwards plants shouldn't have been so rude!
Gotta admit, Hillary ROCKS!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:54 AM
Response to Reply #21
23. It's Hillary week, not Kucinich? I'm so confused!
:rofl:
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:21 AM
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37. I've been 100% consistent in DK being tops & also liking Hilllary & Obama
...and I also have consistently said good things about Biden. I'm a little disappointed that Obama hasn't been a little more inspiring yet, but it's not over yet, either.

Don't think I haven't noticed this little campaign of yours lately where you're trying to make like I'm jumping around from candidate to candidate. What you perceive as jumping around is just me saying good things about more than one candidate. Last I knew it wasn't against DU rules to like more than one Democratic candidate. I've been steady on who I like throughout this, sis.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:27 AM
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41. You are jumping around, as am I because I don't have a
clue yet who I think can get the job done. I have a few that I'd be happy to vote for, and some not so much. And you flatter yourself if you think this is a 'campaign', my friend. I'm just observing what I can. :hi:
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:29 AM
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59. Just telling it like it is
Dennis Kucinich has consistently been my heartfelt favorite and I've stated over and over how I feel he truly represents Democrats ideals better than any other candidate. As it stands right now, he'll probably get my vote in the Primary, and I've said that before, too. I've consistently defended Hillary on the forum as you know, and the more I've defended her, the more I realize how much I like her. If I've jumped around at all, it might be with Obama, although not by much because I still have hopes for him. Coming into this, I had huge expectations for him, and so far I think his campaign has been mediocre at best. I'm disappointed that he's being more what the media wants him to be and not as much himself. If it's him or Hillary who comes out on top, I'll be just as happy either way. Biden I've always liked and could never understand the tons of vitriol that used to come his way around here. He's changed a lot of peoples tunes.

I apologize for the "campaign" remark. That was uncalled for. :hi:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:01 AM
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24. Anyone who can't see
why the rhetoric employed by this author is merely the politics of personal attack, is simply blind to the obvious. This is typical blogger bullshit.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:11 AM
Response to Reply #24
28. Excellent point. Makes me wonder why it was posted here.
:shrug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:20 AM
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:08 AM
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26. You know whats funny?
Clinton uses the debates and speech's to attack Bush, Obama and Edwards uses the debates and every single minute of the day they are awake to attack Clinton.

I'll take Her over the wannabees any day.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:12 AM
Response to Reply #26
29. You noticed that too?
I guess that makes two of us...
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:13 AM
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30. Makes more than just the two of us.
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 08:14 AM by William769
:rofl:
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:20 AM
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34. of course the front runner would like it if her opponents wouldn't criticise
But, truth be known, Hillary has not just dissed Bush.

Months ago, Hillary called Obama "naive and somewhat irresponsible".

During last week's debate she also critical of her Democratic rivals, especially Edwards.

I think that it is clear that Hillary should just be coronated and all this campaigning stuff should be dispensed with. Hillary is fragile and can't take the heat, so we all better shut the f up. sarc
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:23 AM
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39. You have a short memory don't you?
She did it as recently as the last debate. When Obama & Edwards were cowering over her every word & just being in her presence.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:54 AM
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50. All the candidates criticise Bush. All the candidates criticise each other.
IT's called an election!

The difference is....Hillary supporters don't want anyone to be critical of her. Too. Bad. If that is what you want, tell your candidate not to be critical of others, calling them "naive and frankly irresponsible".

For supporters of a front runner, I sure hear a lot of whining going on!

Candidates who are behind ALWAYS attack the front runner. Usually, however, supporters of front runners don't attack those of other candidates. It might not have occurred to you, but you are going to need these folks if and when your candidate gets the nomination.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:00 AM
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52. It's called desperation.
And thats what Obama and Edwards are doing. Edwards imploded at the debate, Obama is doing it now. Will they recover? We shall soon find out.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:56 AM
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51. I think you didn't read the word just in my post
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:52 AM
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49. You are absolutely Right..Hillary attacks the Republicans NOT Democrats..
Did anyone count how many times Edwards attacked Hillary at the last debate? He didn't attack her on the issues he attacked her personally. He said it was about time to speak honestly to the people after she responded to Bitzer's question. Anyone else notice this?
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:02 AM
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53. And thats why he was booed.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #49
80. Did you notice that Hillary called Obama "naive and frankly irresponsible"
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 08:46 PM by earthlover
I notice that Hillary was talking about Obama personally, not about an issue....

It was this that started the negative campaigning.

Another first for Hillary!

But of course we are all supposed to believe Hillary never has gone negative. It is all the others!

I see this all the time here. Hillary's crowd shits all over others. Then tries to say the shit doesn't stink, or never happened.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #26
57. That sums it up nicely
:toast:
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:17 AM
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32. I guess some still don't know the DLC are part of the neocon
agenda.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:20 AM
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36. Sez who?
:eyes:
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #36
63. Check it out
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #63
71. 95% of Americans want America to be strong on national defense. Not just neocons.
The linked article states that the PPI "mirrored" certain goals of PNAC. They don't embrace the entire neocon policy playbook.

The "third way" is the operative term that was used to make the distinction.

Thanks for the link. :hi:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:26 AM
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40. by the way, did you see Obama get flustered at that 70 year old woman?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:31 AM
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42. Are you referring to what durrty libby just said in post #17?
Morning Joe showed a clip of Obama screaming at a woman?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:35 AM
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44. yeah, all she did was ask Obama what he would do to protect American and he wigged out
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 02:59 PM
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70. Obama didn't he wig-out, you must have a different unedited version of this video clip?!?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:31 AM
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43. Cause of the cheer chant thing she was doing?

"Fucked Up! Trusted Novak! Fucked up! Trusted Novak!"
:dem:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:37 AM
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45. ...because she asked him what he would do to combat terrorism... he wigged out on her.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:43 AM
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47. If that had been Hillary wigging out at someone in the audience...Top MSNBC headline!
Is there a video somewhere that can be posted?
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:41 AM
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46. absurd
hope you don't get any of the shit you're smearing on yourself...

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:47 AM
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:04 AM
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54. bla-bla-bla

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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:09 AM
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55. Now thats just to cool.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:12 AM
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56. LOL!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:26 AM
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58. K&R
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:52 AM
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60. So that video is supposed to prove a bush-like disdain for dissension?
Some rude disrupter is responded to and later removed to the cheers of the rest of the audience - it is not the same as bush's willful ignorance of majority dissent regarding his policies and actions.


Why didn't they just save us all the trouble and write, "Hillary=bush?" That's what they're trying to say anyway.


And it's bullshit.

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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:05 AM
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64. Good, and as always, an actuate post!
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 11:06 AM by asdjrocky
"Meet the new boss, Same as the old boss"

Know who is behind the Clinton Machine:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Burson-Marsteller
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:26 AM
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:24 PM
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67. I watched the exchange... and had the same thoughts as the author.
But then again... I often find myself put off by Hillary's tone and/or speaking style.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:46 PM
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72. Compare her reaction to Obama's response to the Repug
Obama could have pulled a Hillary and had the woman yanked from the crowd by security goons and shoved into some waiting police van like she did.

Thanks for this post.


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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:59 PM
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74. Was the Clinton campaign in charge of security?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 04:01 PM
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76. The environmental forum was not a Clinton event n/t
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 04:00 PM
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75. the resemblance really creeps me out
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 04:23 PM
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77. The Mods would lock this if it was about Johnny
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Broke Dad Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 05:07 PM
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78. Agreed!
At least Bill could feel our pain. Hillary apparently can't even fake it.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 05:10 PM
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79. It absolutely amazes me that anybody is allowed to use
"Bush Like "in a thread title to describe a Dem candidate on DU.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:24 AM
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84. Without a shadow of a doubt.
But it's HillHate flame bait. So it'll stay up.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:38 PM
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81. I didn't see anything smug at all
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 09:40 PM by creeksneakers2
The film I watched was of a Code Pinker on a field trip from Camp Flower Bed destroying an event in which Hillary came to speak and people came to hear her. Hillary bravely went on with her speech the best she could. What's smug about that?

The Code Pinkers are offensive and disrespectful of free speech. They need to be kept in longer when they are arrested so they'll learn some manners.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:45 PM
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82. According to a DU mod, this thread should be locked.
DU sez:


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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:48 PM
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83. At the risk of being irrelevant, here's some information on Hillary's record...
Senator Clinton supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Trust for Historic Preservation 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Education Association 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Children's Defense Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 91 percent in 2006.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 100 percent in 2005

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence 100 percent from 1988-2003 (Senate) or 1991-2003 (House).

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Public Health Association 80 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 84 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 88 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of Government Employees 83 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Committee for an Effective Congress 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 100 percent in 2005.

According to the National Journal - Composite Liberal Score's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on economic, defense and foreign policy issues than 80 percent of the Senators.

According to the National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on social policy issues than 83 percent of the Senators.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Alliance for Retired Americans 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 92 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Bread for the World 100 percent in 2003-2004.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Partnership for the Homeless 100 percent in 2003-2004.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=WNY99268

She was promoting universal coverage before it was cool. Furthermore she helped to create the SCHIP program. And most importantly she was dead on in the debate the other week where she said political will was the most important thing needed to push health care reform through and we know without a doubt she has that.

She has fougt unrelentingly for a woman's right to choose as well as women's rights both domestically and abroad

Create a Strategic Energy Fund - Hillary has proposed a Strategic Energy Fund that would inject $50 billion into research, development and deployment of renewable energy, energy efficiency, clean coal technology, ethanol and other homegrown biofuels. Hillary's proposal would give oil companies a choice: invest in renewable energy or pay into the fund. Hillary's proposal would also eliminate oil company tax breaks and make sure that oil companies pay their fair share for drilling on public lands. Instead of sending billions of dollars to the Middle East for their oil, Hillary's proposal will create a new clean energy industry in America and create tens of thousands of jobs here.

Champion a Market-Based "Cap and Trade" Approach - Hillary supports a market-based, cap and trade approach to reducing carbon emissions and fight global warming. This approach was used successfully to limit sulfur dioxide and reduce levels of acid rain in the 1990s. By capping the amount of emissions in the environment and allowing corporations to buy and sell permits, this approach offers corporations a flexible, cost-efficient method to do their share to reduce emissions and combat global warming. The program will reduce emissions, drive the development of clean technologies, and create a market for projects that store carbon dioxide.

20% Renewable Electricity Standard by 2020 - Hillary believes we need to shift our reliance on high carbon electricity sources to low-carbon electricity sources by investing in renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind. As President, she'll work to require power companies to obtain 20 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2020.

Make Federal Buildings Carbon Neutral - Hillary believes that the federal government should lead the way in reducing carbon emissions from buildings. Buildings account for 40 percent of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, and the federal government owns or leases more than 500,000. Hillary would require all federal buildings to steadily increase the use of green design principles, energy efficient technologies, and to generate energy on-site from solar and other renewable sources. By 2030, all new federal buildings and major renovations would be carbon neutral, helping to fight global warming and cutting the $5.6 billion that the federal government spends each year on heating, cooling and lighting.

Protecting Against Exposure to Toxic Chemicals - Hillary wants to make the products we use safer, especially for children. There are tens of thousands of chemicals used in the U.S. and hundreds of new chemicals introduced each year, but little health testing is conducted for many of them. Hillary would require chemical companies to prove that new chemicals are safe before they are put on the market, and would set more stringent exposure standards for kids. She would also create a "priority list" of existing chemicals and require testing to make sure they are safe. To improve our understanding of the links between chemicals and diseases like cancer, Hillary would create an "environmental health tracking network" that ties together information about pollution and chronic diseases.

Hillary's Record

Hillary has been a leading member of the Environment and Public Works Committee since she was elected to the Senate. Today, she chairs the Superfund and Environmental Health Subcommittee and in that capacity has promoted legislation to evaluate and protect against the impact of environmental pollutants on people's health and clean up toxic waste.

Global warming and Clean Air
Spoken out forcefully about the need to tackle global warming in hearings, speeches, rallies and on the Senate floor and co-sponsored "cap and trade" legislation.
Worked to reduce air pollution that causes asthma and other respiratory diseases by writing and helping to pass new laws to clean up exhaust from school buses, and other diesel-powered equipment.
Supported legislation to reduce pollution from power plants, including harmful emissions of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, mercury, and carbon dioxide - emissions that contribute to poor air quality, smog, acid rain, global warming, and mercury contamination of fish.
Aggressively fought the Bush Administration's ill-advised attempts to weaken clean air laws.

Improving Water Quality and Protecting Drinking Water
Helped to overturn the Bush Administration's attempt to allow more arsenic in drinking water.
Cosponsored legislation to protect lakes, rivers and coastal waters by fighting the spread of destructive invasive species, such as the zebra mussel.
Helped ot pass new clean water laws, including measures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

Protecting Public Lands
Fought oil company efforts to pen the Artic Wildlife Refuge in Alask and Pacific and Atlantic coastal waters to drilling.
Cosponsored the Roadless Area Conservation Act, which prohibits road construction and logging in unspoiled, roadless areas of the National Forest System, and voted for additional funding and manpower to combat forest fires in the west.

Reducing Dangerous Chemicals and Cleaning Up Hazardous Waste
Supported legislation to restore the "polluter pays" principle by reinstating a chemical company fee to fund cleanups of highly contaminated "Superfund" waste sites.
Cosponsored the "kids-Safe Chemical Act," which requires chemical companies to provide health and safety before putting new chemicals in consumer products.
Proposed legislation to create an environmental health tracking network to enable us to better understand the impact of environmental hazards on human health and well-being.

Tackling the Toxic Legacy of 9/11
Pushed for health care benefits for first responders, residents and others whose health has been impacted from breathing the toxic dust and smoke in New York City after 9/11.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/8/20/134810/677

The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%
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