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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:02 PM
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The top issue in 2008 is going to be
the economy. It will dwarf all other issues- even the war.

From today's Rasmussen Daily Tracking Poll. (forget the horse race for a minute)

"As the campaign for President moves on, consumer confidence continues to decline. The Rasmussen Consumer Index today fell to its lowest level in four years. Just 13% of Americans believe the economy is getting better while 68% say the opposite. Fifty-five percent (55%) say either that the country is in a recession or that a recession is coming soon."

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Things are not going to improve under the "stewardship" of bushco. This is extraordinarily bad news for the repukes. The voting public already trusts dems on the economy over repukes by a significant margin.

This is only one reason why I think the dem candidate- whoever it is- has a very good chance of winning by a large margin. bushco has tainted the repub brand across the board.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:03 PM
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1. By a long shot. It will be worse than 1992... more like 1982
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:04 PM
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3. More like 1929.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:46 PM
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13. do you think people with catch the role corruption plays?
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:04 PM
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2. The Swimsuit Issue
It's always the top seller.

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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:08 PM
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4. The Democratic candidate needs to run against the failed "CONservative" policies.
If we get a populist presidential candidate we can sweep the rePIGlickers from our government and regain control of our institutions.If we elect a Corporatist triangulating candidate we slip into the police state under another cover.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:19 PM
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5. I don't think any of the dem candidates will move us closer
to a police state. In fact, I believe all of them would move us away from it.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:26 PM
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9. ASk if any if them have repudiated the gestapo powers of jr? HRC said she would think about it.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:45 PM
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12. HRC said she would consider
jettisoning the powers accrued by bushco. I'm not aware of what others have said. But no, I don't believe that any of the dems are going to continue the fascistic march of bushco, should they reach the White House. And it's not just because they're dems.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:33 PM
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20. What is there to "consider"?
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:23 PM
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6. National Security
As long as there are Americans being shot at, that will be the top issue by election day. If either candidate chooses this to be the main issue of their campaign, then its the main issue in the election. If they both choose to drop it (which I doubt), then other issues can dominate.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:30 PM
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10. Oh no it won't. Don't think for a moment that if Americans
are being foreclosed on in ever larger numbers, if they're paying $4 bucks a gallon for gas, if food prices keep sky rocketing, that Americans will have the war as the top issue. A very small number of Americans are directly connected to the war. Tens of millions are deeply impacted by pocket book issues. It's axiomatic that people look to their own self-interests first- and it's dead true.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 04:05 PM
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15. Self-interest = don't get blown up on your way to work
For a lot of voters, if you tell them the other candidate is weak and is going to get you killed, well that makes a lot of difference. More so than gas prices or mortgage payments.

Its a neat trick the GOP had going. Scare everyone to death. It worked great in the past. But in 2008, I guess that does remain to be seen.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 04:09 PM
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16. no. it didn't work in 2006
and with dramatically worse economic conditions, it clearly won't work in 2008. When the economy is bad, it's INVARIABLY the number 1 issue, historically. Absent some devastating "terrorist" attack- and believe me, I don't put it past them, the economy is THE issue.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:20 AM
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24. Yep...same stuff I heard in 2004.-nt
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:45 PM
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23. Unless the GWOT comes back to the Most Serene Christian Republic, no, it will be the economy.
Short of a machine gunner outside the Goodyear Blimp during the bowl games or Arthur filled with explosives going down towards Hearld Square Thursday, it will be the economy.
While the populace are easily placated, they are also easily distracted, except when the bills come.
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:24 PM
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7. Ab. So. Lutely. And that's what will carry HRC into office, if she wins the nomination.
People remember the economy of the Clinton years fondly. This is the one way in which the Clinton "baggage" will be a positive.

It's the economy, stupid.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:25 PM
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8. If Bush can control the DOJ with Gonzo, why do you believe the unemployment numbers are real?!?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:32 PM
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11. Did you bother reading the Rasmussen numbers?
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 04:05 PM by cali
55% of Americans believe that we're either already in a recession or we'll soon be in one. bushco can lie til he's blue in the face, but do you really think people don't notice the dire economic conditions? It's clear that they do.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 04:03 PM
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14. Dayjavoo- "It's the Economy, stupid."
Yup.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 04:12 PM
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17. I think the top issue will be
the overall state of the nation.

There's so many problems, there won't be one far-reaching one that pulls anybody. I think foreign policy and the economy will obviously be the biggest one's, but one won't dwarf the other.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 05:43 PM
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18. It will be "why did Hillary not tip that waitress"
:hide:
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 05:48 PM
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19. martial law ...
and the suspension of the elections?
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:39 PM
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21. For me....
it's foreign policy. Everything else is going to fall in line, just like it always does. Oddly though, I'm not really worried about the economy. It will bounce back with a new president, and gas prices will drop like a rock when Bush is gone. That, I'm 100% sure of. My friends said I was nuts when he was selected, and I said "get ready for $3.00 a gallon gas!!" Well....I was right. They just didn't see it coming.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:45 PM
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22. The draft and lack of oil production. n/t
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:21 AM
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25. I think the topic will be change more than any issue in specific.
Americans want overall change.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:23 AM
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26. Top issue: "how Hillary claps her hands like the Chinese"
according to Chris Matthews.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:28 AM
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27. Probably.
It's going to be dreadful and hit in all sorts of cumulative ways: inflation, gas prices and supplies, credit crunch, falling stock and housing values, job losses, and on and on and on.

Never forget, though: Junior and Deadeye Dick can still botch us into an international cyclone, so that may take much of the attention.

It's surprising to see how few understand the problem with the economy, but this may not simply hurt the Republicans and help the Dems: we can be blamed for controlling Congress, and the reactionaries play the fear card VERY well, not just on war but on economic issues.
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