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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:45 AM
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Post your reasons why Bush should be impeached here please.
I have a paper due and want to see if I missed anything. Mahalo DU!
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:46 AM
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1. Treason
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:49 AM
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2. Can you explain what you mean by treason, exactly?
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 03:53 AM by mahina
The part about sending us to war and lying to us about why we're going?

Here's my letter to my Representative:

Aloha Representative Abercrombie,

The last time we discussed impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Cheney, you explained your argument against impeachment. You had decided at that time that impeachment would fail, and would waste our only opportunity in many years to define the Democrats in the public mind. You explained that we could either launch a media circus by impeaching and fail, or accomplish substantial legislative change including covering poor children’s health care, protect social security, and strengthen workers’ rights. You felt then that the latter action would ensure a Democratic majority for the future.

In the years between our last conversation and today, tens of thousands have died and suffered permanent injury, both our own citizens and Iraqis. There is evidence that as many as a million Iraqis have died in this illegal war. Our own losses, we now learn, were understated by 15,000 casualties. Many of those will never recover.

As this criminal administration now threatens nuclear war against Iran, I implore you once again to impeach our president and vice president.

The Downing street memos prove that this war was not waged in error, but was intentionally based in lies.

If we will not impeach for this, is there any situation under which we would? If wasting the lives of our children, brothers, fathers and mothers is not a crime worthy of impeachment, are we still a nation of laws at all?

You said that we would investigate, and I believe you. You said that with John Conyers serving as chair of the Judiciary committee, we could see President Bush imprisoned rather than impeached.

I understand that you serve with aloha under stresses that I can not understand. I accept that you serve in a context that is opaque to all of us. Still, I urge you to impeach now while we are still able.

In the weeks before March 121,2003, people of good faith felt that President Bush was telling us the truth when he said that war would be a last resort. We now know that he had already decided on war years prior.

Since half of the population of Iraq is fifteen or younger, we can guess that the lives of half a million children have been sacrificed in this war, in our name. For my part, this haunts me and saddens me deeply.

Now, we hear the same words from our President’s mouth, but this time the lies are transparent.

We know that the lives lost in Iraq are our responsibility, yours and mine and all the other Americans who let it happen. I appreciate that you made a public statement that Congress has not authorized war against Iran. Do you imagine that the administration will be slowed for one moment by this statement of fact?

Is there a number of Iranian lives that we are willing to sacrifice for a strengthened Democratic brand? Is ten thousand worth it? Is twenty thousand worth it? Is there any number that would be too much?

I argue that one is too many, of either side.

If we do not act against this violent crime done in our names, we are absolutely responsible for it. Please act to impeach this president and vice president as soon as you can.

Mahalo.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:02 AM
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5. Beautifully said
It's the willful sacrifice of lives for nothing but a narrow profit motive, the willful disregard of the destruction of a great American city, the Orwellian newspeak filtered down through the on-the-side punditocracy and hence to whatever passes for the mainstream media nowadays. It's the constant end-run around the Constitution of the United States of America.

That's what this all means. Details of the impeachable offenses of this cretin and his inner circle are abundant all over the internet. Yet the system wants to pretend they're not there, or not credible. The joke's on all of us.

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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:32 PM
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22. Thanks Jeff.
I just hope we can see the end of this presidency without one more family sacrificing their loved ones.
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wundermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:56 AM
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3. How shall We, the People Impeach Bush, let us count the ways...
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:00 AM
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4. Well, we can start with the fact that he never was elected in the first place.
It's amazing how we've gone through these past seven years allowing the administration of a President who wasn't even elected to systematically tear down the very foundations of the Nation he and his puppet masters had no business leading in the first place.
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:33 PM
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23. Isn't that the truth.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:13 AM
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6. Dupe
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 04:16 AM by janeaustin
Sorry.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:15 AM
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7. The first thing I was aware of was that he diverted $700 million that
Congress had appropriated for Afghanistan to begin setting up the Iraq war.

That was completely illegal, and he should have been impeached then.

Of course all that he's done since then simply dwarfs that first thing.

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samplegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:31 AM
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8. Because...
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 04:31 AM by samplegirl
HE LIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sure we have all had our fill of hearing that one.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:49 AM
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9. What, did he lie about getting a Blow-job or something? No, Impeachment's to good for him...
...as the old saying goes. Nope, I'd rather they just fly him directly to The International Court of Justice in The Hague on January 20, 2009, so he can stand trial for War Crimes, just like some of the other recent War Criminals.

Besides, Impeaching *bush would be like Impeaching Edgar Bergen's Ventriloquists Dummy Charlie Mccarthy, Cheney is the one that needs to be Impeached first, then Bush if there is still time left over.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:43 AM
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15. The Hague is too good for him...
We've got a little place in Colorado called Florence ADX. They should reserve a cell for him - one right next door to Moussaoui.
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Eagle_Eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 06:43 AM
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10. Bush is a drunk and a cocaine addict
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Eagle_Eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 06:44 AM
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11. Did I mention he has the intelligence of two rocks in a paper bag
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:01 AM
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12. Where does one start?
Torture would be good place but it all goes much deeper than that.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:05 AM
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13. Here's a list. Of course, this is just what we know about.
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 07:06 AM by Perry Logan
the passing of unconstitutional laws
falsification of intelligence
lying to Congress and the American people
Leaking of identity of an undercover agent
dereliction of duty in neglecting global warming, hurricanes, hunger, AIDS, and warnings of 9-11 attacks
facilitating Israel's attacks on Lebanon
obstruction of investigations by 9-11 Commission and Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald
production of phony news reports at home and abroad
use of signing statements to reverse 750 laws passed by Congress
leaking of classified information in order to mislead the Congress and the public, and in order to punish truth tellers,
retribution against whistleblowers
obstructing an investigation into the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame
abuse of power
violation of federal laws like the Foreign Surveillance Intelligence Act
illegal wars
dereliction of duty and criminal negligence
the loss of a major city through sheer, unbelievable incompetence
illegal spying
illegal wiretapping
illegal detentions
the use of torture
the use of illegal weapons
illegal seizure of another nation's resources
illegal targeting of civilians, journalists, and hospitals
illegal use of funds in Iraq that had been appropriated for Afghanistan
sex scandal cover-ups
war crimes
treason
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:37 AM
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14. A pretty darned good starter-list
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:29 PM
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21. Thanks Perry,
for taking the time for that thoughful post. It's heartbreaking.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:44 AM
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16. Here's a video that will give you enough background for a thesis on it
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/video_popups/pop_vid_impeachment1-1.html

I was made aware of this video by the DUer, rgbecker, who posted it last night on another impeachment thread. It's long but you will not be bored. Everyone should watch it.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:08 AM
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17. There is a main, underlying reason
It is the claim of monarchical, "Unitary" executive power. It is their "fig leaf" for everything else -- not that it covers anything. It is nonsense on its face, but they don't really want/need an actual "reason," or recognized legal justification, they just need something to say.

The regime operates under the notion that literally everything they do or would want to do -- the torture, the warrantles spying, the lying to the public about "mushroom clouds" to terrorize them -- are all lawful, constitutional, and non-impeachable.

They claim an unlimited "commander in chief" power that is free to ignore or invalidate any act of congress, any court, or any treaty obligation -- as long as they claim it advance what they call a "war." In this case, and in perpetuity, the war on "terror."

This is lunacy of course. But unless and until they are impeached and removed for it, it is also the de facto law of the land.

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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:09 AM
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18. The easiest one is the illegal wiretapping.
It's definitely against the law, and he admitted to it on TV.

Open and shut.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:22 AM
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19. You've been here long enough to be well equipped and if your not
you can blame only yourself. Shame on you! This isn't Phillips Academy Andover (an independent boarding high school)

To furnish you with the qualities necessary for a performance, such as a grade! And you want an education that will equip you to handle such problems? Where have you been living for the past seven years? Under a rock?
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:25 PM
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20. Can't say I disagree with you,
because I have no idea what you said.
I'm not looking for anyone to furnish me with qualities.
Why the Andover reference?
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