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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:18 PM
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IF Hillary Blows It, Would it be the Greatest Political Upset In History?
I happen to support Mrs. Clinton and believe that all this hype about her "floundering" candidacy is just that, hype. The media needs something to talk about.

But I am a sucker for hypotheticals and "what ifs" so if after the 3 year drum of Hillary's inevitability as the Democratic nominee, if she beefs it, can you think of a grander fall from political grace?
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:19 PM
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1. Gary Hart
n/t
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:23 PM
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7. I liked Gary Hart
And was very upset when he fell, but he was never the imposing national figure that Hillary is.

Very few people are.

I just can't find in my head an analogous situation should she not get the nomination.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:44 PM
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17. You must realize that at least half the Dems and well over half
the voting populace do not see Hillary as an "imposing national figure". She's been the media's nominee, and a great number of real people would not be surprised at all at her not living up to the hype - would, in fact, be very surprised if she DID live up to the hype.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:27 PM
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13. Gary Hart?
how's it hanging , JB? :hi:
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:21 PM
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2. I wouldn't be surprised at all. And certainly not disappointed.
But theres a dozen or so folks around here who would probably have to go on suicide watch for a while....
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:21 PM
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3. I personally would be very pleased.
I didn't like her smug answer to Katie Couric that she IS GOING TO win the nomination, no doubts. A little humility would be a nice thing.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:21 PM
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4. Nah, my vote is Dewey/Truman 1948 on that one.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:01 AM
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20. Yes.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:21 PM
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5. HRC isn't going to be 'OUR' candidate.
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daninthemoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:22 PM
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6. Not going to be any blowing involved. She just isn't going to win
once actual votes start being tallied. The start whistle hasn't even blown yet.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:23 PM
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8. Oh please...the
country could do very nicely without hillary at the helm.

And who's been drumming that beat? Media manipulation is not my cup of tea.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:23 PM
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9. the event is pretty much a toss up, one or the other losing will not be the greatest etc... nt
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:25 PM
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10. well, considering that she's a pretty lame candidate (IMO)
I don't think it would be all that earth shattering. I would much prefer someone more progressive than GOP-lite Hillary.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:25 PM
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11. She's not going to win Iowa. In two weeks that will be apparent
the problem is that the Campaign decided on this juggernaut strategy ( "Inevitable") which set the bar so high that anything except a resounding win will be perceived as "Blowing it".

Look for lots of statements respecting the Iowa voter and downplaying any possible 2nd or 3rd place finish as respectable, and focusing on Hew Hampshire where the news might be better.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:25 PM
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12. Nope. Pretty much par for the course for the "New Democrats". (nt)
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:30 PM
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14. uh....
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:45 PM
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18. How about Tom Brokaw declaring Gore the winner?
That was quite the let down when he wasn't.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:38 PM
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15. No, I have no doubt if she is our
candidate we will have another Republican President. We let the MSM pick our candidate in 2004 and we got Bush.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:42 PM
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16. In politics, predictions made three years out seldom if ever bear fruit.
So historically speaking it wouldn't be unusual.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:58 PM
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19. Blows It? Wha? Is Larry Flynt Investigating Her?
:shrug:

I need a beer.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:34 AM
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21. She may or may not win Iowa,
but she will win nonetheless the nomination. She's the only candidate who does not need a win in Iowa to still be very viable. Barring any unforeseen circumstance, Hillary will be the Democratic nominee.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:42 AM
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22. tritsofme, why do you support Hillary?
I keep asking that question of people, but I never get a thoughtful answer. What do you like about her?
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