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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 09:22 AM
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If Rudy's problems keep him from the White House, how did bush get in?
Edited on Sat Dec-01-07 09:27 AM by Botany
So if Rudy's using taxpayer money and police manpower to taxi and protect
his mistress along w/ his company getting money from one of the backers
of 9/11 are toxic enough to stop Rudy Giuliani quest for the Presidency what
about the skeletons in George W Bush's closet prior to his run in 2000?

Now all those "things" I have listed below were a matter of public record in 1999 & 2000
and yet somehow our liberal media just never reported them in any depth.

W's list.


AWOL
Given a direct commision as an officer ... skipped OCS
His records in the TANG were "cleaned up."
He was "grounded" by his base commander for bad flying
Drugs
DWIs
Criminal record
insider trades (Arbusto)
3 failed businesses
1 year of a community service sentance in Houston, TX (1972 & 1973)
Alcoholism
torture and killing animal as boy
phony "cowboy ranch" and accent
His record as governor of TX
TX Funeral Home Story
He was and is stupid. "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully."-Saginaw, Mich., Sept. 29, 2000



http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 09:27 AM
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1. I think that a lot of people are overestimating the impact Rudy's ethical problems...
will have on his candidacy. I think the fact that he's an arrogant asshole will be harder to cover up.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 09:31 AM
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2. How did Bush get in?
Supreme Court.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 09:34 AM
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4. Yes but it should not even had been close.
The man had a background that would keep him from being a
part time deputy sheriff in East Hog's Breath, TX and he became
President?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 09:50 AM
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7. By making it difficult to retrieve his AWOL and drunken driving records
By pretending to be a cowboy instead of his real self.
By surrounding himself with people willing to lie for him.
By having support of the corporate heads in the media.
Having scumbags like Karl Rove and Karen Hughes run his campaigns.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 09:32 AM
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3. Well, let me go through your bush list:
AWOL- wasn't proven in either election to the satisfaction of voters. MSM played defense for him.

Drugs- only the pot was admitted to. See above about the MSM.

DWIs- played as youthful indescretions.

Criminal Record- beyond the DWIs, what criminal record?

Insider trades: Wasn't convicted of it.

Failed businesses: Not given play.

Alcoholism: MSM narrative of redemption.

Animal torture as child: I never heard about that until recently, and I follow things closesly.

phony ranch, etc.: So what? that in and of itself is just not a big deal.

His record as governor: Played by the MSM as someone who worked in a bipartisan manner.

TV Funeral Home story: Huh?

Stupidity: But, but, but, he was "likable".

The recurring theme: The MSM.

Rudy's flaws are actually even greater than bushco's, include sex and the mob- an irresistable combo for the press- and he's even worse than bushco. He's every bit as fascistic and wouldn't be a puppet.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 09:42 AM
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6. Funeral Home Story
Edited on Sat Dec-01-07 09:51 AM by Botany
Lying Under Oath. Bush & Co. Squelch Investigation of Contributor's Funeral Homes

In a (so far successful) attempt to stop a scandal, Bush perjured himself under oath, according to the sworn testimony of two of his political allies. The situation is amazingly similar to Clinton's Lewinsky problem: a potentially damaging lawuit arose (see below) that threatened to involve him. Just like Clinton, Bush swore an affidavit that he had no involvement in the case, which got him excused from testifying. And just like Clinton, the affidavit was proven false months later by new evidence. In this case, it's the recent sworn testimony of Robert MacNeil, a Bush appointee, that he had discussed the case with Bush at a fundraiser.

This scandal isn't as sexy as Monica's, but perjury is perjury, and this scandal actually involves the governor's job, not his sex life. Texas' state commission on funeral homes (the TFSC) started an investigation of SCI, the world's largest funeral home company (with 3,442 homes, plus 433 cemeteries) after complaints that unlicensed apprentices were embalming corpses at 2 SCI embalming centers. The commission visited a couple of these, and ended up fining SCI $450,000.

But SCI pulled strings with the commission and with Bush himself. Shortly thereafter, the investigation was shut down and the agency's investigator was fired. She sought to question Bush for her lawsuit, and that's when he swore his admittedly false affidavit. In fact, that affidavit has been proven false twice now.


more @ link below


And yes your are right the Media has protected his ass big time .... hell, how many people now that
his Texas Roots aka "Prairie Chapel Ranch" was started in 1999 and finished in 2000 by Enron. After
he walks away from his ill gotten Presidency do you really think he is gonna spend 1 minute there?


On his criminal record he has a theft and destruction of property charge from college and
exactly one year in Houston, TX where he signed in and out of the Martin Luther King Youth
Center in the early 1970s ..... it looks very much like a community service sentence instead of
jail time .... now why did a rich white playboy w/ a history of racism go and work @ in the
ghetto for 1 year.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 09:42 AM
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5. I wasn't paying attention to politics back then, so I could be wrong,
but, I think that the puppet was not as well known as Rudy. I'm not sure if 9/11 put Rudy in the limelight in a way that the puppet never was or if the bush family has more influence & kept many of the items on your list out of the public's eye.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 09:57 AM
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8. Somebody important does not want Rudy to be president
That's why all this shit is starting to come out.

I think the people who call the shots for the repubs have decided that Ghouliani is too much of a loose cannon for them to risk in the WH. He's a lot more arrogant than bush and not near as stupid. I believe they fear the economic consequences of him waking up one day and deciding to bomb Mexico or something.

Besides, I think the same fat cats were persuaded to accept bush only because they thought cheney would have a restraining influence on him. Little did they realize it would be just the opposite.
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Hersheygirl Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 09:58 AM
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9. If you have friends in high places,
You can do anything. And it never hurts to lie your ass off and have the media back up those lies.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:09 AM
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10. "have the media back up those lies."
That's about the long and short of it....
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:17 AM
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11. GWB mesmarized the TV Media-- they bought his talk--hook
line and sinker. Go back and look at TV coverage of GWB
practically 100% positive.

Most Americans get their information from TV. If the TV is
highly positive you cannot blame the people.

The TV Media great at being played for suckers.



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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:46 AM
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12. He got in through a well-designed system of criminalilty organized by Rove, Cheney,
Rumsfeld, LOTS and LOTS of money to manipulate people along the way, and lots of hired evil trash to lie about their opposition.
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morningglory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:47 AM
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13. He doesn't do the phony Christian act as convincingly (to the southerners).
In addition, his crooked friends are not oil thugs, they are NE mob thugs. You can't pull the wool over Southern Christian holy rollers with Catholic religion and mob ties. You can't just say "I have sinned..." and be forgiven.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:47 AM
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14. You forgot...sued in a civil suit for sexual harassment
and stalking. Then a suspicious SUICIDE when the stalkee would not drop the suit...that should have been front page from the get go. But not even the four secret service type guys who beat the crap out of her husband and told her to drop the suit came in to play.

And while we are at it look at the Joe Scarbrough thingee.....He was having an affair with a married "intern" in his Florida district. He had an appointment with two constituents at his office. When he didn't show up and the office was finally opened they found the "intern" dead on the floor. She had several fractures of the skull. No weapon was found so the incompetent ME (he had been fired from three different states previously that's why I say incompetent) said she committed suicide. Suicide sure gets around in the republican group doesn't it. Calling around to see what had happened to Scarbrough because he had not kept the appointment, they found he was ...wait for it.....in Washington. Tsk tsk tsk how come, congress wasn't in session. They never did give and explanation as to how this woman had several fractures of the skull causing death. But suicide?????
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 11:07 AM
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16. The person who wrote of bush doing 1 year for coke
.... community service sentence turned up dead too. (suicide)
And what about Ray Lemme the Florida investigator who
got up 1 morning drove to Georgia checked into a hotel
and committed suicide. And the funny thing was that his
credit card showed him checking in the night before.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=1259

*********************************************

After the 2004 election I was in touch w/ a reporter in Florida
who had written of some strange goings on there in the 2004
election ... she stopped her coverage after her dog was killed
and her car was damaged.

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morningglory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 10:57 AM
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15. The puppet boy king is just a head on a stick. Easily controlled by his
corporate masters, and dumb as a rock. Rudy might not be so easily controlled. Does not have good hair. I dunno....
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 02:01 PM
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17. Mass insanity.
Rudy has already benefitted enormously from it.

Anything a Republican does outside the law or the norms of decency is a sign of virility and/or fiery independence. Anything a Democrat does is bad, no matter what it is.

People by and large don't think at all. They just feel and "co-babble" with one another. We used to have a media who would at least do some serious thinking and investigation once in a while. Now they just babble like everyone else. The GOP scared them away from thinking and investigating and appealed to the vanity and hair-trigger brattiness of the people.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 02:03 PM
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18. By opposing abortion and raving about Jesus.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 03:47 PM
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19. Bush had a more effective "cover-up" network. (nt)
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