Is "hillaryattacks" website run by the Obama campaign?

[seriousstan]

http://hillaryattacks.barackobama.com/

[onehandle]

1. The root of the site is "barackobama.com", so yes. nt

[MethuenProgressive]

2. Yes. See the bottom lines:

"Paid for by Obama for America Powered by Obama '08 (and supporters just like you)."

No one ever really bought that "politics of hope" bullshit, did they?

[ilovesunshine]

3. Politics of hope my ***!

[oasis]

142. The "Politics of Hope" have been reduced to an "Obamanation".(eom)

[Vickers]

4. Is that a rhetorical question?

:shrug:

[maddiejoan]

5. website says it's piad for by:

"Obama for America"

so the answer to your question seems to be yes

[Tellurian]

6. Another example of Obama's "shady" new Chicago politics..

Does this guy mean anything he says?

[cali]

8. what's shady about it? n/t

[Tellurian]

30. Using thousands of people to Front End Load the Caucus for Obama

When most of the candidates with the exception of Obama, signed a pledge not to import people from other states to caucus in Iowa.

If Hillary did such a thing, it would be all over the news she's trying to steal the election from Iowa!

[sufrommich]

42. Has this been done in past primaries?

I tried to find some info and couldn't. Anybody know?

[Tellurian]

52. From what I've read.. never to this degree to where it would skew the election results..

[sufrommich]

56. Thanks,Tellurian. This may not play well with Iowans.

[Tellurian]

76. It's a bloody shame is all I can say..

If it were Hillary Clinton busing in thousands of students and people from neighboring states practically declaring herself the winner of the Iowa Caucus beforehand, the outrage would be deafening here on DU...which it should be!

[Scriptor Ignotus]

168. if she were the one favored by college students

instead of Obama you can bet that's exactly what she would be doing...

[Pirate Smile]

130. Previously, the caucus wasn't held so early that it was during the Winter break.

That is really the only issue. Dorms close down, people go to their parent's house for Christmas or during the break.

This effects Hillary supporting students as well.

And that's why two of the student leaders of Students for Hillary in Iowa are, "shockingly," from out of state.
The co-president of Students for Hillary at the University of Iowa is an Illinois native:

And as reported earlier this year, the Clinton campaign was trying to organize students in a way we think is perfectly acceptable but obviously hypocritical considering her attack today.

But her student volunteers are working on contingency plans. Nikki Dziuban, a 19-year-old sophomore from the Chicago suburbs, is co-president of Students for Hillary at the University of Iowa. She says the original caucus date of Jan. 14 would boost student turnout because out-of-state students like her would be "more inclined to come back if it’s just a couple days earlier than if it’s right in the middle of break." (Spring semester there begins Jan. 22.)

And then there's the co-chair of Students for Hillary at Iowa State University, Sarah Sunderman, who will be home in Minnesota for the holidays, and will be driving back to attend the caucus:

Sarah Sunderman, a senior at Iowa State University, said she will drive back early from her home in Minnesota to take part in the Jan. 3 caucuses. She is one of about 21,000 out-of-state students who attend Iowa's public universities. As a member of her school's Democratic student group, she sees the date as a challenge.

"It's a complex issue, but clearly it's harder when students are dispersed across the state to make sure they participate," Sunderman said.

Clinton supporters have challenged Sunderman's example, saying that she is actually originally born in Iowa and that she plans to remain in Iowa after graduating. I'm glad to see that they're inventing new criteria as they go along for who should or should not be allowed to caucus. It is patently absurd, not to mention unconstitutional, to argue that Iowa voters should have been born in the state or that they should sign a pledge to remain there indefinitely.

Now understand me: None of these students are doing anything wrong, and they have every right to participate. In fact, as these two examples show, students from out of state are heavily involved and deeply invested in their communities, the state should be happy to have them and is better off for having them, and they actually represent a model for civic engagement.

That's why the Clinton campaign's attacks this week were so stupid and so petty. The Chicago Sun-Times called Clinton's activities "perfectly acceptable but obviously hypocritical considering her attack today."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/3/71319/9881

[Pirate Smile]

43. Students at Iowa colleges and Universities are allowed to caucus and

vote in Iowa. Trying to prevent them from exercise their voting rights is disgusting.

[Tellurian]

61. No one is denying that..

as has been the custom for years, where it's never been abused to the extent of tipping the election to one candidate's favor. Where not talking about what is considered normal for average participation. Obama is making a concerted effort bringing in thousands of people from Illinos and all of them are not students.

[Pirate Smile]

73. I went to the University of Iowa and we generally thought that almost 50% of the student

population was from Illinois. That was in 1991. That is the normal demographic of the University. The 50% number is probably high but that was what the students generally thought. We have a lot of students from Illinois. It isn't a dirty trick.

[madrchsod]

90. really? you mean they are signing up to go to iowa colleges

while going to illinois colleges? dam how can one do that? he`s bringing people from illinois to live in iowa just to vote for him? dam this must be costing hundreds of thousands of dollars...i wonder where he`s hiding the bookwork? oh i know he`s from chicago so being a crook is ingrained in his soul.

[Tellurian]

102. Really, still choose to defend the indefensible?

Shows more about your character and how you can turn a blind eye to blatant cheating!

[karynnj]

152. No - they are already students attending Iowa schools

Yes, I know it was a long term conspiracy. Starting in spring 2005, kids supporting Obama realized that he would need help in Iowa. They then selected schools in Iowa - visited them and applied in fall 2006 to be accepted in Fall 2007 - and NOW they are in Iowa colleges as Freshmen. (There is a transfer student variant, but it is less popular) Their parents all went along with - paying out of state tuition - and the difference between that and the in-state tuition they could have paid in their own state is a hidden undeclared contribution to Obama - essentially the price of one extra caucus goer.

As one with Chicago relatives, I take offense to your comment. (Yeah I know that NJ is pretty corrupt too.) Hillary was Chicago area too - before moving to Arkansas, not the home of clean government.)

[hedgehog]

139. You mean to say his campaign has organized voter turnout efforts? nt

[ClarkUSA]

174. Link?

Preferably not one to a Clinton propaganda website.

[madrchsod]

81. new chicago politics?

sounds like old chicago politics to me and if she can`t handle that then she`s in the wrong league. since when did any politician ever mean even half of what they say?

[mopinko]

134. i guess the new chigago politics is paddycake and kumbaya

really, people, don't throw around terms you don't understand. old chicago politics is cops on the take, tommy guns and guys with cauliflower noses following your kids home from school.
just sayin'.

[marmar]

7. God forbid the Obama campaign should defend itself against Clinton campaign attacks.....

:eyes:

[Cameron27]

9. Is there a defense there,

because I don't see anything but the "attacks."

[marmar]

12. So only Hillary gets to attack?

The hypocrisy boggles the mind, and I'm not even an Obama supporter.

[Cameron27]

15. Hypocrisy?

He posted the attacks, but didn't bother to try to debunk or even explain any one of them.

[maddiejoan]

11. I don't see a defense against the attacks.

I see a lot of complaining about being attacked.

[MADem]

13. If this IS part of the Obama campaign, it's just wrong. NT

[MADem]

10. Wait...wait...wait a minute. Is barackobama.com owned by Barack Obama's people, though?

Are we sure of this? It's real easy to get a domain name if you get in there early enough.

I don't like to pile on without being certain of the provenance.

If it is true, though, that will be a massive disappointment.

[maddiejoan]

14. yeah it is.

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

[MADem]

19. Ewwww. It's awful. Who the fuck told him this shit was a good idea?

This is HIDEOUS. The page says Hillary Clinton ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK. If he's trying to play the victim, it comes off like nitpicky whining.

If he called it "Refuting False Assertions" or something a little less ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK-ish, it might go over better.

It's just HORRIBLE!!!! Agggh! I looked at the bottom of the page, it IS pretty clear it's his:

Paid for by Obama for America Powered by Obama '08 (and supporters just like you). Privacy Policy Terms of Service Contact

[Tellurian]

25. Scroll down to the bottom where it says: Contact Us..and you go directly to Obama's site..

I told you Obama is a snake...Clean Politics, alright...in your dreams!

W

[MADem]

45. He might just be getting lousy advice. But this IS lousy. nt

[Tellurian]

80. Thanks, MADem.. If Hillary was doing such a thing I would be outraged as well.

I'm so sick of this crap just like everyone else.

Fer crissakes, when the Hell can we have fair and balanced elections?

First, the voting machines and now this!

Makes me want to :puke: ..

[zulchzulu]

So what is Hillary 44?

Yeah...that Obama site is just awful...

:sarcasm:

[Tellurian]

144. A Blog site..It's not linked to her offical page is it.? .Like Obama's vicious site?

[zulchzulu]

162. Obama is just spanking back at Hillary's vicious lies and half-truths

If you or she can't take the truth, then too damn bad...

[Pirate Smile]

16. Yes, it went up today. The NY Times blog has the following:

The Early Word: Iowa Heat
By Kate Phillips and Ariel Alexovich

While the temperature in Iowa may have dipped into the teens over the weekend, things are getting pretty hot between the Democratic rivals and in fact, between the Republican rivals, too.

The campaign of Barack Obama today announced a direct counterpoint to criticisms by Senator Hillary Clinton and her campaign that seemed almost nonstop yesterday. (Read Patrick Healy’s posts from her appearances on Sunday.) Mr. Obama’s campaign has set up an entirely new Web site, “hillary attacks,” for its own rapid response. (The Clinton campaign has had its own “fact-checking site up for a while.)

David Plouffe, the Obama campaign manager, wrote in a post:

Today we’re launching a website that will keep track of all the attacks Senator Clinton has launched since she said she wasn’t interested in attacking other Democrats at the Jefferson-Jackson Dinner on November 10th. We’re asking all of you to be vigilant and notify us immediately of any attacks from Senator Clinton or her supporters as soon as you see them so that we can respond with the truth swiftly and forcefully.

This attacks could be phone calls, literature drops, blog posts mail pieces as well as radio and TV ads. Some could even be anonymous or designed to be. Please email us at [e-mail] the moment you see something that concerns you.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/03/the-early-word-iowa-heat/

[maddiejoan]

seems more like --

--a "rabid" response.

[Pirate Smile]

22. Not to me. Is it "rabid" for Obama to show Clinton's attacks on him in print?

How nasty - he is displaying her and her campaigns words. The horror...

[Cameron27]

18. Except there isn't any counterpoint in Obama's site.

Clinton has a real fact check.

[madrchsod]

99. why would there be a counterpoint in his site?

you mean hillary would actually print a "fact" in favor of barrack over her position?

[Adelante]

17. Not attacks on Hillary - attacks BY Hillary

It's part of the Fact Check, rapid response to attacks BY Hillary:

http://factcheck.barackobama.com/


So? :shrug:

[marmar]

20. There seems to be some cognitive dissonance among Clinton supporters....

.... Dish it out, but can't take it.

[maddiejoan]

24. I'd say quite the reverse.

[Cameron27]

26. Not really,

the attack site is ridiculous IMO. It's the primary, and it's going to be rough for everyone...they can all put up competing attack sites.

[MADem]

27. OK, I am NOT a Clinton supporter. I'm undecided and I fucking HATE this.

Cognitive dissonance? Sure, I've got it.

How can a guy who talks about Politics of HOPE do this kind of, as someone else said, RABID response.

The word ATTACK is used a zillion times--it evokes foaming at the mouth, hysteria and...oh yeah...WEAKNESS.

[Pirate Smile]

28. He can't show what she is saying about him?

[maddiejoan]

32. It's all about TONE

and the fact that he doesn't address the attack or give full context.

It has all the maturity of "Mommy, she's pointing at me again!"

[Pirate Smile]

34. It seems more like ridicule then crying about it.

[MADem]

48. It looks like crybaby whining to me. I'm really surprised by this. NT

[Pirate Smile]

53. I don't think they are surprised she is attacking. They are just pointing

out her hypocrisy after she talked over and over again about how Democrats shouldn't attack each other.

This is a campaign. They are all trying to win.

I don't begrudge her for going on the attack. Of course she has to go on the offensive. I don't think some of them have been very effective. She should have left out the kindergarten and 3rd grade stuff because now it is just a joke instead of seeming like a substantive attack.

It was silly when she got upset about Edwards and Obama going on the attack. This isn't a tea party, people.

[MADem]

77. I think this is the wrong way to respond. It's harsh, it's whiney, and it isn't

"politics of hope."

He could answer in a more mature way. The page is just awful.

I realize he probably wants to provide it as a tool for his own people, but he would have been better off putting that in an email. This, out on the web, representing him to wavering and undecided voters, is just NOT "politics of hope."

That's how it hits me.

[KittyWampus]

62. you know, for someone who claims not to be a Clinton supporter, you manage to spend

significant time supporting her in this forum and attacking other candidates.

Why do I notice?

Cause normally, I respect your opinions and input highly.

Apparently you DO support Clinton without being consciously aware of it.

And the website in question is just a list of Clinton attacks on Obama.

Doesn't come across as whining or weak to me.

[MADem]

69. I have also supported Obama and Edwards when people lie about them.

If I see bullshit, I call it.

This is just bad politics, this. It makes you think HOPE is just a catchphrase.

He has every RIGHT to do it, but I am telling you that I view it as a horrible MISTAKE.

There's no "defending Clinton" in that statement, either. If the same site was up attacking Edwards, with ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK in big blue letters all over the damn thing, like a rightwing flyer, I would say the same thing, only substitute JE for HRC.

[sniffa]

109. he's not the only one like that

there's at least 3 DUers who claim to have no candidate, yet all they do is defend Hillary, and/or attack Obama.

if it walks like a duck...

[MADem]

128. Sniffa cut the shit.

I have defended Obama when it was merited, and Edwards, too.

This has nothing to do with Hillary, per se, it just makes Obama look bad.

It doesn't refute any 'attacks' and it ain't 'Politics of Hope.'

He's getting some shitty advice. That's all I am saying.

[KittyWampus]

173. In any case, just want to make sure to say, I do respect your input!

[zanne]

178. "TONE"?

Desperate much? How about "cadence" or "timbre"? As far as maturity is concerned if Hillary hadn't said those immature things, there wouldn't be a website chronicling them, would there?

[MADem]

33. Not by using the word ATTACK multiple times. The site is GHASTLY!!!

He lost major points with me on this business. It's fucking idiotic, immature, and completely contrary to his "I'm the Nice Guy" approach.

He can refute falsehoods in a MATURE way. This piece of shit looks like it was designed at RNC HQ, with Karl Rove breathing heavily over the web designer's shoulder.

It is HORRIBLE.

[zanne]

113. I'm sorry it upset your delicate sensibilities.

Take two aspirin and call me in the morning.

[MADem]

127. Oh, please. Stop being such a frigging partisan and look at it objectively.

Pretend that page is about OBAMA's attacks. Or Edwards'--now go back and look at it. Everywhere you see Clinton, pretend you see some other candidate's name. And note the word ATTACK. It's everywhere, compulsively.

It has a "crazy" look about it. Crazy as in KOO KOO, disordered mind....OCD.

It doesn't do any candidate owning it any favors. It's ghastly. Whines and no rebuttals.

[zanne]

132. AND NOT A WORD OF IT WRITTEN BY OBAMA'S PEOPLE.

I don't think it's an impartial site--far from it. But Hillary has been far from impartial herself. She does has the DLC behind her, after all. Try taking a nap. Sometimes that helps.

[MADem]

137. Uh, the site is maintained by his campaign. Look at the page bottom.

And don't yell. All caps for an entire sentence or phrase is yelling.

Why would napping help? That's an idiotic thing to say.

Either discuss the issues on the merits, or just don't bother. I am uninterested in partisan pouting.

[zanne]

176. "Uninterested in partisan pouting".

I don't think I'm the one screaming about how terrible it is to put Hillary's own words down on paper. And I repeat; None of this was written by anybody on Obama's staff. If you can't take the truth, don't read it. Somebody with the initials HRC is getting pretty desperate.

[MADem]

179. Fine, do that. It's the repeated use of the word ATTACKS that is childish.

It's beneath the guy. It looks like he's making a tattle-tale list. It's immature.

YMMV and plainly, it does, because you wanna fight with me about my opinion. It's just my opinion, I don't demand that you take it as gospel.

[marmar]

29. She can go negative but he can't?

n/t

[Cameron27]

38. Imagine if Clinton put up a site like that...

listing all the times she was attacked. She'd be called weak, and unable to sustain criticism without 'whining,' and she'd get nailed for not providing any info debunking the attacks.

[marmar]

39. Not by me....She'd be doing what she needed to do, defend herself....

And judging by this post, people are saying those things about Barack Obama.

[MADem]

47. Maybe not by you, but you'd be the exception. I have said I find this HORRIFIC.

I at first thought it had to be a disinformation effort to make Obama look bad.

I was surprised that it actually came from his campaign.

This really...sucks!

[Adelante]

50. When did you become such a fucking innocent?

These are attacks BY Hillary ON Obama. What's the problem?

[MADem]

82. I realize that. But for OBAMA to put this out on the internet, it looks whiney.

It isn't politics of hope.

I am no "innocent." I am looking at this as a campaign strategy, and I am finding it to be OFF PUTTING. It's nitpicky and childish, and it conveys whiney-ness, a bit of OCD, and weakness.

He should send this to his supporters in an email, not put it out on the web for undecideds to stumble across.

It doesn't SWAY people to him. All you see on that page is ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK Clinton ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK.

It has the opposite effect of the points he is trying to make. It looks like a Republican designed it too--crappy, visually. Big :thumbsdown:

[Windy]

72. She doesn't need to... she has the media to go to and they give her airtime consistently

unlike all of the other candidates...

[sufrommich]

87. That's been throughly debunked,

Obama gets more positive coverage than Clinton. I'm at work and can't do a search,but the research is out there if you look.

[MADem]

40. He can refute, certainly. And he can refute strongly if there are falsehoods

being shopped about him.

But ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK? That is RABID. The page has a frantic quality that is unattractive.

It looks like a GOP flyer, like the McCain Black Illegitimate Baby screed.

It's AWFUL. It's immature. It reads like a WHINE.

Did the same guy who hooked Barack up with that McClurkin idiot design this piece of shit?

If Barack goes the distance, it will be DESPITE this. This is a misstep. A big one. IMO.

[Cameron27]

21. You're right,

he's got a real fact check going too.

[maddiejoan]

23. So then why the need for --

http://hillaryattacks.barackobama.com/

[Adelante]

49. Attacks Hillary is MAKING on Obama

Get it?

[maddiejoan]

65. No I'm stupid.

I GET that they are attacks BY Hillary.

Do you GET that simply listing attacks by your opponent without any debunking is simply a "whine list".

It all comes across as very passive/aggressive.

[BeyondGeography]

31. They'd prefer he have no organized response to things like Kindergate

:shrug:

Or maybe they have other reasons for their fauxrage.

[maddiejoan]

35. There's no response though.

It's just a whine list.

[BeyondGeography]

41. All it does is document your candidate's self-destruction

I can see why it upsets you so.

[maddiejoan]

70. Dream on.

It makes your candidate look like a crybaby.

BTW --everyone of Hillary's "attacks" is a reasonable critique of your candidate.

I guess that's why there are no refutations.

[BeyondGeography]

78. Why bother? Her silliness stands so well on its own

Plus the purpose is only to list all the attacks made since she warned all the other candidates not to attack fellow Democrats.

[maddiejoan]

83. Exactly right.

That's what makes it seem so childish.

[BeyondGeography]

84. And dredging up a kindergarten essay...

your term for that is?

[maddiejoan]

89. a glib joke

Do you seriously think that's an attack?

It was a joke.

Maybe Obama should take another puff of his joint and chill out a little.

[BeyondGeography]

91. Oooooh, a ganja joke

There's a brittle, angry person in this race and it ain't the guy who knows how to inhale.

[maddiejoan]

92. Could have fooled me.

Obama shows absolutely no sense of humor.

Seems very brittle to me.

Don't get me wrong --I don't think Hillary has much of a sense of humor either --if I wanted a comedian, I'd be voting for Biden.

[BeyondGeography]

93. Me too

[maddiejoan]

100. See?

Even WE can find common ground :)

[BeyondGeography]

104. Cheers

You'll always get major points here for that avatar.

Check this kid out:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FI76sKLMkMU&feature=related

[jefferson_dem]

121. Hillary and her supporters are obviously seething with desperation.

They've lost it and can't figure out why or how. I *almost* feel sorry for them.

[ronnykmarshall]

143. Riiiiiiiiiight!

[zanne]

177. There'll be a big run on Xanax this week.

"Oh no! I thought we had it locked up"! "Quick--somebody hand me the bottle".

[ronnykmarshall]

141. Self-destruction?

In your dreams.

[Evergreen Emerald]

36. This is getting so ugly. It started with Obama and Edwards

It first started when Obama and Edwards first started attacking her--Obama actually called her a liar "disingenuous" (that means liar). It then continued with daily attacks regarding her veracity and her motives in becoming president (playing on the fears of the left wing of our party). And then it continued with, what I call the Russert-attack debate where the network handed Obama and Edwards Clinton on a platter. Then of course the Novak incident.

Clinton is responding, and now going on the attack. I don't like it.

I did not like it when Obama and Edwards did it--and I don't like it when Clinton does it.

This should be about issues--it is too bad she has decided to lower herself to their levels.

Having said that, I would note, that Edwards got the message that it was not a good idea after he was booed every time he attacked. He backed off.

I understand that she is getting lower numbers. It is a shame that those mindless, distortion-type attacks work in our America, but apparently it is working, and Clinton feels like she has no choice but to join in the fray. She, of course does not have the help of the media like Obama and Edwards do.

Too bad. It is getting ugly.

[Hope And Change]

37. Senator Clinton on not attacking other Democrats

Senator Clinton on not attacking other Democrats

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNoc0tKeXOQ


So now when Hillary has started to slip in the polls in Iowa she suddenly changed her mind.Hillary and her campaign is extremely desperate.

Obama 08!

[Cameron27]

44. Well she was accused of being aloof,

and running a GE race in the primary when she tried to maintain that stance. They're all going way over the top right now IMO.

[Evergreen Emerald]

46. Exactly. When she only attacked republicans, she was accused of running a general

campaign. When she goes after those who attack her--she is "desparate." Well, she has always had to live by different rules, she can handle it.

[Alamom]

116. Well said, bravo & you are so right. The rules have been different

from the beginning and no matter what she does, "they" say it's wrong.



"She can handle it." Right again, "they" can't and that's the problem.

[Bitwit1234]

51. I can not believe this

I defend Hillary against the Obama supporters who are attacking Hillary because I don't think democrats should act like that.

BUT I can not for the life of me think Obama would do this. I watched him give his speech at the DNC convention and thought he was a man of honor. I do not support him, at the present time, for president. I don't think he is mature and could really handle it. I think he needs more experience under his belt. Now I see he was fooling us all. Darn I just can not believe he would stoop to the level of the dirt slinging, slurmeister and flamers of the republican party. But I see he is..this is pathetic. He is the only candidate on the democratic side doing this. Shame...shame...shame...on him he has really lowered himself in my eyes. I thought he would be ready for the candidacy the next time around. But if this is true, golly. golly ..golly.

[Renew Deal]

58. OK, so Obama lists all of the attacks coming from the Hillary campaign and he's the bad guy?

Obama's campaign doesn't even respond on that webpage. You correctly dislike what you see in the mirror.

[Renew Deal]

54. Yes. It says Paid for by Obama. It's a list of Hillary attacks on others.

It looks like Hillary has been busy.

[Pirate Smile]

60. Yesterday was a very busy day for the Clinton campaign.

:)

[Skip Intro]

55. Obama is the walking embodiment of hypocrisy.

Gawd that Obama machine is so full of bs.

The only specific "attack" listed is that his kindergarten "essay" about becoming president was mentioned when he said he hadn't long held dreams of being president.


All the rest are cherry-picked lines from articles that say Hillary is attacking Obama - that's it, the supposed "attacks" don't appear on the site, just the "journalistic" description of the situation.


All this from the guy who attacked Hillary because he read some second-hand rumor rw traitor novak printed.


What a joke.


Obama, you are a hypocrite.

[Renew Deal]

63. Show me where Obama attacks Hillary?

His campaign doesn't even respond to the attacks. It's just a list of Hillary campaign comments.

[Skip Intro]

71. Did you miss the punking of Obama by Novak, which ended with Obama attacking Hillary

for something Novak said?

Did you miss the "bush/cheney-lite" comment?

Did you miss the "would expect to hear that from Mitt Romney or Rudy Guiliani" comment?


Obama doesn't attack Hillary????


You might want to take another look.

[Renew Deal]

95. It's not on that webpage.

I was referring to the page. The comments you listed aren't there.

[Hope And Change]

57. Hillary thought she already won the Democratic primary!

Even Tom Vilsack said that Hillary has started to understand that Iowa is very important and "now she gets it" but it may be too late.It`s Hillary that has run a campaign from the beginning that she thought she had already won the Democratic primary.SHE WAS WRONG!

[ilovesunshine]

59. If this was "obama attacks" on Hillary's site she would be tarred and feathered here.

Since it's his site, he gets a pass!

[Skip Intro]

66. He doesn't just get a pass, he get's priased. It is bizarre.

[ilovesunshine]

74. True, still waiting for the "Obama walks on water" story to come out.

I'm rather new around here so it may have already been posted.

[Skip Intro]

79. We've come close. I saw him called magic somewhere here yesterday.

I think for some the hero-wroship has morphed into some kind of religion.

Kinda scary, isn't it?



Welcome to DU!

:toast:

[ilovesunshine]

86. It's coming close to becoming like a Jim Jones cult....

Thanks for the welcome!

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

107. That's unair. Obama isn't a sociopath like J. Jones. His campaign is much more like Scientology

[ilovesunshine]

123. There's a pyramid scheme in there somewhere... n/t

[maddiejoan]

88. He's already compared himself to Joshua

--From the Old Testament. Guess he's just warming up.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1107/7026.html

[Adelante]

75. I wouldn't tar and feather Hillary

I'm a pragmatist when it comes to politics. I am a great respecter of rapid response thanks to the Clintons. I learned a lot in those years.

Here is Hillary's list, so you don't miss it.

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=4482

[Cameron27]

106. That's a good point,

but it looks like that's a rebuttal to the Obama attack list. It's getting nasty, and I wish they'd all tone it down.

[Adelante]

112. Yes, it's a rebuttal

I have no problem with either. It's always knuckles bared in primaries around this time.

[Cameron27]

115. I don't like it,

from either of them. It happens every 4 years, and I cringe every time.

[Adelante]

119. Well, it is what it is

It would be nice if it weren't the case, I agree.

[madrchsod]

96. so who is "hillary is 44"?

at least we know who is behind the obama site...

[Beacool]

64. Well, she was right, the "fun" is just beginning!!!!

Leave it to a neophyte with a fan base of mostly college students to come up with such an infantile name for his site. He could have had a site similar to her "HillaryHub", but to call his "Hillaryattacks" is purely inflammatory. Lest the very junior senator forgets, he and Edwards went officially on the attack mode as of October 30th (even though Edwards had already been doing it for months). Did anyone think that Hillary was going to be rolled over by Obama, or any other candidate, without putting up a fight?

Politics of hope? Pleaaasssseeee!!!!!!

:crazy:

[Renew Deal]

67. Hillary supporters should see this as a mirror of her campaign.

This is it. These are Hillary campaign remarks. There isn't even a response from Obama. This is what Hillary's campaign has been all about the last few months.

[madrchsod]

68. ok hillary supporters.....who runs "hillary is 44"?

why are they hiding? why can`t anyone find out who they are? i have figured out who two contributers might be but why do`t any contributers admit they write for "hillary is 44"?

[zulchzulu]

85. Is that a real Coronation Crown or a Sears Coronation Crown?

"I'm not interested in attacking my opponents, I'm interested in attacking the problems of America..."
Hillary Clinton, 11/10/07

Days since Senator Clinton promised she was not interested in attacking Democrats: 23

Days that Senator Clinton has spent attacking Democrats since making that promise: 19

Here's a wonderful sample:

THE HILLARY ATTACKS TIMELINE
December 03, 2007

ATTACK:
Clinton Campaign Manager Patti Solis Doyle Attacked Obama TV Ad Discussing Health Struggle of Obama's Mother. "I am writing concerning a false advertisement you are currently airing..."

ATTACK:
New York Times: "Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign, which is now attacking Senator Barack Obama on a daily basis."

ATTACK:
Boston Globe: "Clinton yesterday launched one of her most pointed attacks yet against chief rival Barack Obama"

ATTACK:
NBC's First Read: "Another day, another Clinton campaign knock on Obama."

ATTACK:
Chicago Tribune: "Clinton: Obama 'Betrays' Democratic Values" "Intensifying the rhetoric over competing health-care expansion plans, presidential candidate Hillary Clinton accused rival Barack Obama of 'betraying Democratic principles."

ATTACK:
Des Moines Register: "Clinton: Obama's Health Plan 'Flunks'"

ATTACK:
Chicago Sun-Times: "Clinton is drawing sharper contrasts with chief rival Barack Obama as the crucial Jan. 3 Iowa vote looms closer."

ATTACK:
Chicago Tribune: "Clinton defended her increasingly aggressive approach on the campaign trail Tuesday and stepped up her criticism of Sen. Barack Obama."

ATTACK:
AP: "Clinton Raps Obama on Health Insurance"

ATTACK:
Time's The Page: "Arrives hours late due to flat tire, still gives punchy address repeatedly knocking him."{

ATTACK:
NBC's First Read: "In a speech from Iowa today, Clinton went after Obama."{

ATTACK:
Chicago Tribune: "Clinton defended her increasingly aggressive approach on the campaign trail."

ATTACK:
Des Moines Register: "The accusation came as the New York senator has sharpened her critique of Obama."

ATTACK:
Washington Times: "Clinton, locked in a tight race in Iowa, is increasingly criticizing the Democrats who are hoping to defeat her in the Jan. 3 caucuses, especially Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois."

ATTACK:
NBC's First Read: "Clinton took another dig at her main opponent Obama."{

ATTACK:
New York Times: "Fog may have diverted Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's plane from her campaign stop here on Tuesday, but that did not prevent her from continuing her attacks on Senator Barack Obama's experience."

ATTACK:
Reuters: "Hillary Clinton sharpened her attacks on rival Barack Obama's experience on Tuesday, a day after a poll showed her falling slightly behind him in Iowa."

ATTACK:
Politico: "Clinton Unimpressed By Obama's Indonesia Years"

ATTACK:
NBC's First Read: "For the second straight day, Clinton has questioned Obama's experience. Yesterday it was on the economy, today on foreign affairs."{

ATTACK:
AP: "Under pressure in a feisty debate, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton accused her closest rivals Thursday night of slinging mud 'right out of the Republican playbook' and leveled her sharpest criticism of the campaign at their records."

ATTACK:
NBC's First Read: "Clinton is ready for a fight and seems to want one tonight."{

[maddiejoan]

97. This list means nothing.

It points to articles that say Clinton is attacking.

List the attacks, and then debunk them.

That's what Hillary does on her site.

The fact is Hillary's attacks on Obama are sound and he can't refute them.

Can you?

[zulchzulu]

163. The site has links to the Hillary attacks... check it out...

I just listed it as a sample. The site links the examples...

[Hope And Change]

94. Hillary thinks the "fun part starts" now ...

...and here is Barack Obama`s response:

"This presidential campaign isn't about attacking people for fun, it's about solving people's problems, like ending this war and creating a universal health care system. Washington insiders might think throwing mud is fun, but the American people are looking for leadership that can unite this country around a common purpose, and that's what I'll continue to offer in this campaign."

Obama 08!

[maddiejoan]

98. I notice you don't put Hillary's actual quote there.

Why is that?

[Hope And Change]

101. There you go

"Well, now the fun part starts"

Big difference.LOL.

Obama 08!

[maddiejoan]

103. That's not the full quote:

Here --I'll help you out.

“But I have been for months on the receiving end of rather consistent attacks – well now the fun part starts,” Mrs. Clinton said, punctuating the word “fun.” “We’re into the last month, and we’re going to start drawing the contrasts, because I want every Iowans to have accurate information when they make their decisions.”

The "fun" is drawing contrasts and making sure that Iowans know who is who.

So yeah BIG difference.

[Hope And Change]

105. You forgot to tell that she will not attack her Democratic opponents!

"The "fun" is drawing contrasts and making sure that Iowans know who is who.

So yeah BIG difference"

You forgot to watch the video.Hillary is slipping in the polls and is extremely desperate.She voted for the Iraq war and failed with her health care plan in the 90s and now she said that she will not attack her Democratic opponents.

Put your glasses this time when you watch the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNoc0tKeXOQ

Obama 08!

[maddiejoan]

108. If talking about an opponent's true nature --

--is an attack --then I guess she's attacking.

Poor Obama. Nobody should slip off his mask!

[Hope And Change]

111. You mean the mask you have in your avatar?

Your mask in your avatar suits Hillary pretty well.The problem is that she can`t hide behind it.

Obama 08!

[maddiejoan]

114. Mask in my avatar?

It's Audrey Tatou from Amelie.

[Hope And Change]

120. I don`t care who it is..

...It`s still a mask.And Hillary can`t hide behind it.Poor Hillary.

Obama 08!

[maddiejoan]

122. You are making zero sense.

[Hope And Change]

125. And you are?

Go and give Hillary a hug and ask her why she voted for the Iraq war while our boys and girls are dying in Iraq.

Obama 08!

[maddiejoan]

129. I know exactly why she voted for IWR.

--and I know how she feels about her vote.

And I'm good with it.

A pity that the courageous visionary man of conviction named Obama decided to sit out the vote altogether.

[Hope And Change]

135. Barack Obama on Iraq, Opposition from the Start

Barack Obama was in a middle of a U.S senate race and spoke clearly against the Iraq war.He took a high risk by opposing the Iraq war when the war and President Bush was pretty popular at that time while Hillary voted for the Iraq war because of her so called experience.

Barack Obama on Iraq, Opposition from the Start

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhpKmQCCwB8


Obama 08!

[Beacool]

161. Great movie!!! n/t

[zanne]

110. It's hilarious that people think Obama is in the wrong here!

Alot of you guys sound like Rush Limbaugh's students. All we're doing is giving you all the attacks in one easy-to-read website. Hillary is no innocent lamb--she knows how to play the game well. It's too late to speak of her "innocence".

[maddiejoan]

118. I see a list of articles that say Hillary is attacking

I don't even see actual attacks.

Can Obama not address actual "attacks"?

I place the word "attacks" in quotes --as in reality most of what the Obama claims as attacks are observations.

Maybe you would be so kind as to list these actual "attacks".

[Hope And Change]

124. Maybe you will understand..

...that it`s Hillary that is extremely desperate now that she is slipping in the polls in Iowa.Her attacks won`t work and Hillary belongs to the past.NO MORE BUSHES OR CLINTONS!

Obama 08!

[maddiejoan]

126. If it isn't Hillary --

--then I sure hope it's Edwards.

Because I think we're in way to big a mess for Mr. Audacity to clean up.

[Hope And Change]

136. Speaking About John Edwards...

...I especially like this video from the Edwards campaign about Hillary`s flip-flopping:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggO5yY7RAo


Obama 08!

[maddiejoan]

138. Interesting.

Because Obama gave the exact same answer in the Nevada debates as Hillary did in that video.

[Hope And Change]

140. You mean the debate in Nevada that was full of Hillary plants?

Some nice links about Hillary`s plants:

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2007/11/cnn-plants-questions-to-protect-hillary.html

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2007/11/18/cnn-under-fire-for-debate-bias/

http://kommonsense101.blogspot.com/2007/11/perception-versus-reality-and.html



CNN Interviews Student Who asks Hillary a Planted Question

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fr1dm2Qdls


I could go on...

Obama 08!

[maddiejoan]

145. Did these supposed Hillary plants

put words in Obama's mouth?

He gave the same EXACT answer s Hillary did in the prior debates.

You know --the one where Obama said Hillary flip-flopped mid sentence?

Same freakin' answer.

please explain that --rather than evading.

[Hope And Change]

146. Ay, yes..

..does James Carville ring a bell?

Don`t tell me you didn`t know anything about who this guy is.It is you who are evading the answers!

Obama 08!

[maddiejoan]

147. I'm evading nothing.

I asked you how you felt about Obama giving the same answer to the DL question that he lambasted Hillary for in the previous debate.

Then you went off on a tangent about Hillary plants for some reason, which was an evasion of my question. Unless you think these Hillary plants flew into Obama's mouth and caused him to say something he didn't intend.

[Hope And Change]

149. YES YOU ARE EVADING THE ANSWER!!

Come on you can do better than that.Who is James Carville?

[maddiejoan]

150. I know who James Carville is

what does that have to do with my question to you?

[Hope And Change]

151. WOW YOU KNOW...

And who does he support?

Let`s see if you will answer this question.

[maddiejoan]

153. Hillary Clinton. Der.

What does that have to do with my question to you?

Or do you believe James Carville caused Obama to repeat HRC's response to the DL question in Nevada verbatim?

[Hope And Change]

154. Thanks for admitting that James Carville was a Hillary Plant!

It took you some time to admit it but hey, better late than never.

Obama 08!

[maddiejoan]

155. So what?

It's not like everyone doesn't know Carville supports HRC --it's not a secret.


WTF does this have to do with my question to you?

[Hope And Change]

156. Thanks again for admitting that James Carville was a Hillary plant.....

...good to see that you are being honest.

Obama 08!

[maddiejoan]

159. I'm always honest.

BTW --He's not a "plant". He's a supporter. It's not like he's portraying himself as anything but an HRC supporter.

So what?

You still haven't answered my question --you keep evading it.

Why is that?

This "plant" nonsense started as your evasion of my question. Now answer it --or bye bye.

[Hope And Change]

160. YOU ARE EVADING THE QUESTIONS AGAIN!!!

Don`t play stupid or maybe you are.LOL.You didn`t want to admit from the beginning that Hillary had any plants in the debate.Then you admitted that James Carville is a plant now you say he`s only a "supporter".You are evading again the question.STOP FLIP-FLOPPING!

Obama 08!

[maddiejoan]

164. I'm evading nothing.

What does Hillary "plants" have to do with my question?

Did they put words in Obama's mouth?

I have no clue what you think the relationship is? Or how Carville being a supporter of Hillary's indicates the audience in Nevada had "plants".

So --either answer the question about Obama --or I'm done with you.

Welcome to DU. I predict a very short stay.

[Hope And Change]

165. STOP FLIP-FLOPPING!!

You are doing exactly what Hillary did in the video the Edwards campaign released:FLIP-FLOP,FLIP-FLOP.....


Obama 08!

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[Hope And Change]

148. More Endorsements For Barack Obama!

Retired Brigadier General John Adams Endorses Barack Obama


The Obama campaign announced the endorsement today of John Adams, Brigadier General, US Army (retired). Adams retired from the Army in September after serving for more than thirty years. His final assignment was as Deputy United States Military Representative to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). Adams joins a growing list of high ranking members of the military who have endorsed Barack Obama.

“The challenges we are facing both domestically and globally require a willingness to change the way we approach problems. I am proud to have the support of General Adams and I look forward to relying on his sound judgment on international issues and his knowledge of the challenges people are facing in Arizona,” said Senator Barack Obama.

"Barack Obama’s ability to listen and inspire will allow him to shape a new domestic strategy of working together as Americans to safeguard our constitutional liberties and secure the blessings of prosperity for all our citizens,” said John Adams, Brigadier General, US Army (retired). “His sound judgment and ability to make tough choices under pressure will help him to shape a new international strategy of cooperating with our friends abroad to enhance global peace and security. We need his vision and integrity to address America's domestic and international challenges.”


On September 11, 2001, Adams was stationed at the Pentagon as Deputy Director for European Policy in the Office of the Secretary of Defense, and directly participated in immediate disaster recovery operations at the crash site as well as coordinated international support for the US diplomatic and military response. He is a veteran of Operation Desert Storm (1991), Operation Guardian Assistance in Rwanda (1996), and served and traveled extensively on official business throughout the Balkans from 1998-2003.

He traveled on military missions to both Iraq and Afghanistan in 2004. As a military attaché in Belgium, Rwanda, Croatia, and South Korea, he provided political-military advice to US Ambassadors, US Government authorities in Washington, visiting US Government delegations, and represented the United States with foreign government officials regarding national and regional issues.
Adams currently lives in Tucson, Arizona. He joins a growing list of high ranking retired military who have endorsed Barack Obama including Richard Danzig, 71st Secretary of the Navy; Major General Scott Gration, U.S. Air Force (Ret) and General Merrill “Tony” McPeak; Chief of Staff of the U.S. Air Force (1990-1994).

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post_group/ObamaHQ/CRJT#comments

[Hope And Change]

158. Iowa - Des Moines mayor endorses Obama's bid

Iowa - Des Moines mayor endorses Obama's bid


Cownie gives praise to candidate from Illinois for being 'open-minded

DES MOINES (AP) -- Democrat Barack Obama was endorsed Sunday by the mayor of Iowa's largest city and predicted more criticism ahead from presidential rivals as his political fortunes keep brightening.

Meeting with reporters, Obama trotted out Des Moines Mayor Frank Cownie, who last month won a second term. He has focused on global warming and other environmental issues.

"Senator Obama has made a promise and is willing and open-minded enough to listen to the mayor of the capital city of Iowa," Cownie said. "Together we can make change in Iowa."

Obama used the event to make the case that his approach to global warming and other issues is more innovative than his challengers'.

"I've been talking about how we need a new kind of leadership, and there are few areas where this kind of leader is more urgently needed than climate change," the Illinois senator said. "Year after year, we have seen sound policies and sensible plans crushed under an army of lobbyists. Because of this failure of leadership, the problem now is far worse."

On the environment, Obama has released a plan to combat global warming that calls for an 80 percent reduction in U.S. carbon emissions by 2050.

While endorsements traditionally do not play a heavy role in Iowa politics, Cownie has proved a popular mayor.

"As many of you know, Mayor Cownie has shown extraordinary leadership on environmental issues," Obama said. "Hopefully, you will give me some tips on how you get 80 percent support. I've got a more modest target in the caucuses."

At a rally at Iowa State University in Ames attended by about 400 people, Obama said Democrats should act boldly and take risks.

"This party has always been at its best when it's led not with polls, but with principles, a party that America needs us to be right now," he said.

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=182519

[Hope And Change]

170. Why Is Hillary Clinton Stooping So Low?

Monday, December 03, 2007

Why is HRC stooping So Low?

I’m becoming increasingly concerned about the stridency and inaccuracy of charges in Iowa -- especially coming from my old friend. While I’m as hard-boiled as they come about what’s said in campaigns, I just don’t think Dems should stoop to this. First, HRC attacked O's plan for keep Social Security solvent. Social Security doesn’t need a whole lot to keep it going – it’s in far better shape than Medicare – but everyone who’s looked at it agrees it will need bolstering (I was a trustee of the Social Security Trust Fund ten years ago, and I can vouch for this). Obama wants to do it by lifting the cap on the percent of income subject to Social Security payroll taxes, which strikes me as sensible. That cap is now close to $98,000 (it’s indexed), and the result is highly regressive. (Bill Gates satisfies his yearly Social Security obligations a few minutes past midnight on January 1 every year.) The cap doesn’t have to be lifted all that much to keep Social Security solvent – maybe to $115,00. That’s a progressive solution to the problem. HRC wants to refer Social Security to a commission. That's avoiding the issue, and it's irresponsible: A commission will likely call either for raising the retirement age (that’s what Greenspan’s Social Security commission came up with in the 1980s) or increasing the payroll tax on all Americans. So when HRC charges that Obama’s plan would “raise taxes” and her plan wouldn’t, she’s simply not telling the truth.

I’m equally concerned about her attack on his health care plan. She says his would insure fewer people than hers. I’ve compared the two plans in detail. Both of them are big advances over what we have now. But in my view Obama’s would insure more people, not fewer, than HRC’s. That’s because Obama’s puts more money up front and contains sufficient subsidies to insure everyone who’s likely to need help – including all children and young adults up to 25 years old. Hers requires that everyone insure themselves. Yet we know from experience with mandated auto insurance – and we’re learning from what’s happening in Massachusetts where health insurance is now being mandated – that mandates still leave out a lot of people at the lower end who can’t afford to insure themselves even when they’re required to do so. HRC doesn’t indicate how she’d enforce her mandate, and I can’t find enough money in HRC’s plan to help all those who won’t be able to afford to buy it. I’m also impressed by the up-front investments in information technology in O’s plan, and the reinsurance mechanism for coping with the costs of catastrophic illness. HRC is far less specific on both counts. In short: They’re both advances, but O’s is the better of the two. HRC has no grounds for alleging that O’s would leave out 15 million people.

Yesterday, HRC suggested O lacks courage. "There's a big difference between our courage and our convictions, what we believe and what we're willing to fight for," she told reporters in Iowa, saying Iowa voters will have a choice "between someone who talks the talk, and somebody who's walked the walk." Then asked whether she intended to raise questions about O’s character, she said: "It's beginning to look a lot like that."

I just don’t get it. If there’s anyone in the race whose history shows unique courage and character, it's Barack Obama. HRC’s campaign, by contrast, is singularly lacking in conviction about anything. Her pollster, Mark Penn, has advised her to take no bold positions and continuously seek the political center, which is exactly what she’s been doing.

All is fair in love, war, and politics. But this series of slurs doesn't serve HRC well. It will turn off voters in Iowa, as in the rest of the country. If she's worried her polls are dropping, this is not the way to build them back up.

http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2007/12/why-is-hrc-stooping-so-low.html

[Hope And Change]

171. Why Is Hillary Clinton Stooping So Low?

Monday, December 03, 2007

Why is HRC stooping So Low?

I’m becoming increasingly concerned about the stridency and inaccuracy of charges in Iowa -- especially coming from my old friend. While I’m as hard-boiled as they come about what’s said in campaigns, I just don’t think Dems should stoop to this. First, HRC attacked O's plan for keep Social Security solvent. Social Security doesn’t need a whole lot to keep it going – it’s in far better shape than Medicare – but everyone who’s looked at it agrees it will need bolstering (I was a trustee of the Social Security Trust Fund ten years ago, and I can vouch for this). Obama wants to do it by lifting the cap on the percent of income subject to Social Security payroll taxes, which strikes me as sensible. That cap is now close to $98,000 (it’s indexed), and the result is highly regressive. (Bill Gates satisfies his yearly Social Security obligations a few minutes past midnight on January 1 every year.) The cap doesn’t have to be lifted all that much to keep Social Security solvent – maybe to $115,00. That’s a progressive solution to the problem. HRC wants to refer Social Security to a commission. That's avoiding the issue, and it's irresponsible: A commission will likely call either for raising the retirement age (that’s what Greenspan’s Social Security commission came up with in the 1980s) or increasing the payroll tax on all Americans. So when HRC charges that Obama’s plan would “raise taxes” and her plan wouldn’t, she’s simply not telling the truth.

I’m equally concerned about her attack on his health care plan. She says his would insure fewer people than hers. I’ve compared the two plans in detail. Both of them are big advances over what we have now. But in my view Obama’s would insure more people, not fewer, than HRC’s. That’s because Obama’s puts more money up front and contains sufficient subsidies to insure everyone who’s likely to need help – including all children and young adults up to 25 years old. Hers requires that everyone insure themselves. Yet we know from experience with mandated auto insurance – and we’re learning from what’s happening in Massachusetts where health insurance is now being mandated – that mandates still leave out a lot of people at the lower end who can’t afford to insure themselves even when they’re required to do so. HRC doesn’t indicate how she’d enforce her mandate, and I can’t find enough money in HRC’s plan to help all those who won’t be able to afford to buy it. I’m also impressed by the up-front investments in information technology in O’s plan, and the reinsurance mechanism for coping with the costs of catastrophic illness. HRC is far less specific on both counts. In short: They’re both advances, but O’s is the better of the two. HRC has no grounds for alleging that O’s would leave out 15 million people.

Yesterday, HRC suggested O lacks courage. "There's a big difference between our courage and our convictions, what we believe and what we're willing to fight for," she told reporters in Iowa, saying Iowa voters will have a choice "between someone who talks the talk, and somebody who's walked the walk." Then asked whether she intended to raise questions about O’s character, she said: "It's beginning to look a lot like that."

I just don’t get it. If there’s anyone in the race whose history shows unique courage and character, it's Barack Obama. HRC’s campaign, by contrast, is singularly lacking in conviction about anything. Her pollster, Mark Penn, has advised her to take no bold positions and continuously seek the political center, which is exactly what she’s been doing.

All is fair in love, war, and politics. But this series of slurs doesn't serve HRC well. It will turn off voters in Iowa, as in the rest of the country. If she's worried her polls are dropping, this is not the way to build them back up.

http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2007/12/why-is-hrc-stooping-so-low.html

[Cameron27]

172. Why are you hijacking this thread with

Obama endorsements? Start your own thread instead of spamming this one.

[zanne]

133. No, she hasn't physically assaulted him.

That, I can say with a straight face. Your other assumption, however.....:rofl:

[jefferson_dem]

117. Thanks for the link.

Bookmarked now. I'm glad to see the campaign is keeping track of Hillary's shenanigans. By the way, when will the Hillary camp come clean regarding it's stealth site - hillarywishesshewas44?

[Colobo]

131. I think it's great! Gobama! Expose the old, Washington politics of Hillary.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

157. Isn't Obama the one who threw the first punch?

Seems he should be able to take it as well as dish it.

[ElizabethDC]

169. Yes, he started throwing punches first.

she put off responding for a while, but at some point she had to jump in.

[ClarkUSA]

175. Glad to see Obama refuting Hillary's attacks with FACTS - he created this website for the media

So they could fact check all of Clinton's lies before writing any columns repeated her garbage.