Biden: "I will eat Rudy Giuliani alive at a debate."

[faithfulcitizen]

From JoeBiden.com 12/3/07:
I can't wait to debate Rudy Giuliani. Over the weekend, Rudy Giuliani attacked the Biden plan for a political solution in Iraq, "They're saying, 'We will divide the country.' (The Iraqi government) has to decide to divide the country. We're trying to create stability over there." I will eat Rudy Giuliani alive at a debate.

The former mayor never misses an opportunity to display how little he knows about foreign policy. My plan is to give regions in Iraq more control over their daily lives. It's a way for states to share power with a central government and achieve a political solution to the chaos there and it was endorsed by a bipartisan majority of 75 Senators, both Republican and Democrat. We've already seen it play out -- where local authorities have been given more control over their affairs, violence has gone down. Meanwhile, the Bush administration's attempt to create a strong central government is still not working -- for all the headlines the surge has created, we're no closer to a political solution in Baghdad than we were when the surge began months ago.

Folks, we've seen how dangerous it is to elect a president who doesn't understand how the world works. The last thing we need in the White House is four years of George W. Giuliani, or George W. Romney. Notice we haven't heard a word about their plans to reach a political solution in Iraq.

I promise you, when I am the Democratic nominee next year, I will eat them alive at the debates...

(Sorry, I can't find a link.) And he would too! :)

[rockymountaindem]

1. I say lets get these two inside the octogon

I'd pay good money to see that.

[Steely_Dan]

2. Great Quote

This is Biden at his best:

"Folks, we've seen how dangerous it is to elect a president who doesn't understand how the world works. The last thing we need in the White House is four years of George W. Giuliani, or George W. Romney. Notice we haven't heard a word about their plans to reach a political solution in Iraq."

-Paige

[faithfulcitizen]

17. Yes, it's great! He has such a quick wit on his feet too. nt.

[calimary]

26. OMG - I'm intoxicated! That is THE way to word it! MAGIC! WOWEE!

OMG - that just PEGS it!

george w. giuliani or george w. romney or george w. huckabee or george w. mccain.

YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce: YES! :bounce:

If I could kick a quote, I'd kick this one FOR ABSOLUTE TORCH 'N' TWANG SURE!

Guys, that's the seed we should start planting. george w. ANYBODY. WHOMEVER of their guys it is. Now AND later. At every waking moment! Hammer this one home!!! It's a giant-killer! Biden at his best is the understatement of the year!!!

[WheelWalker]

50. Biden would rip off Gulliani's lips, climb down his throat and eat his heart out.

[baldguy]

86. They don't want a "political solution" in Iraq.

In their opinion the present situation IS THE SOLUTION. Their model is S Korea - occupation of Iraq for the next 50-100 yrs.

The neocons objective is a situation for the ongoing creation of threats to America.

[razors edge]

3. Sounds kinky,

I bet Judy Giuliani likes the sound of it.

[bigdarryl]

4. Biden will you PLEASE shut the fuck up you have no chance

[Captain Hilts]

10. Perhaps you should considering shutting the fuck up and giving other candidates some air.

A suggestion.

[Eurobabe]

72. Big Darryl, I have you on IGNORE, why the fuck are you showing

up on this thread? :shrug:

OOPS my bad, I forgot to ignore your moronic replies, done now. See ya!

[MadBadger]

11. Bullshit

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, douche.

[faithfulcitizen]

12. If he shuts up, then he CERTAINLY won't have a chance.

Besides, having Biden talking helps ALL Dems.

[DS1]

15. He'd have a better chance against the pubs than Hillary

[Mojambo]

20. Not a terribly helpful comment. n/t

[Byronic]

21. Tell me,

How is Biden attacking Republicans, and showing them to be the cracked empty vessels that they are, in any way a bad thing?

Why should Biden shut up?

Why should ANY of our fine Democratic candidates 'shut up'?

Also, ultimately, the voters will decide who stays or leaves this race.

I want Biden to keep talking and exposing the vapid Republican candidates at every opportunity, and, if he fails to win his parties' nomination I'm damn sure that the Democratic nominee will want him to carry on doing so too.

[Name removed]

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[JerseygirlCT]

30. Not a single vote has been cast yet.

Or are you basing that assumption of yours on the MSM?

[bunnies]

5. I dont doubt that for a second.

But I doubt he'll have the chance.

[faithfulcitizen]

16. Alas, you are probably right. But, I tend to root for dark horses under extreme circumstances. nt

;)

[PatSeg]

35. And dark horses have been known to win

Candidates with the most media coverage tend to wear thin on the public after a while, especially when the bickering starts. That is why so many dark horses in the past have quietly moved up in the race.

[Blue_In_AK]

49. That is very, very true.

I'm sick to death of the Hillary and Barack show.

[PatSeg]

60. It is getting really old

I'd rather watch paint dry.

[xchrom]

6. like a boy scout eats a gooey s'more at a campfire.

that is one smaq down i would pay top dollar to see.

[PatSeg]

36. Must see TV

After years of republican hubris and idiocy, it would be a just and satisfying experience to see one of their darlings put in his place, fair and square.

[lyonn]

71. Biden can gently smack you down or throw you down

During the Dem debates he gently but firmly makes his points. I can just imagine him coming after Rudy with clean, deep cuts!

[Captain Hilts]

7. Yes, Biden would. Biden is trained to argue and Giuliani to give orders. No contest. nt

[Deja Q]

8. Who'll bring the A1 steak sauce?

Or even the ketchup?

[Olney Blue]

9. Pass Biden the salt, and let him go for it!

[1corona4u]

13. I'd pay to see it...

[AtomicKitten]

14. Biden would spank any one of them in a debate.

[PatSeg]

38. Rudy would be the most fun to watch

I can hear the one-liners now, accompanied by that Biden look of disbelief, where he raises his eyebrows.

[AtomicKitten]

42. I do believe Joe would make 9iu11iani cry.

:)

[PatSeg]

43. I can hear him sputtering now in my head

"But, but, but I've run a city and handled a crisis........9/11, 9/11, 9/11......you're all gonna die!"

"I want my Mommy!"

[1corona4u]

58. LOL...don't you mean;

"Butss, butss, butss I'ves runs as cityss ands handleds as crisisss........9/11, 9/11, 9/11......you'res alls gonnass diess!"

[zabet]

87. LOL

That 'you'res alls
gonnass diess!' just
cracked me up.

[maddiejoan]

18. Hope he remembers

to spit out the diamond earrings before he swallows.

[1corona4u]

24. AHAHAHAHAHAH hahahahahaha....

diamond earrings...

[Think82]

19. Yes he would. I hope Iowa realizes this in time!

[BeyondGeography]

22. Joe doesn't like Rudy much, does he?

Meantime, we talk about Rudy and Mitt, their candidates talk about Hillary and the voters are starting to look elsewhere.

[JerseygirlCT]

31. Not much TO like nt

[jillan]

23. "A noun, a verb and 9/11"

Biden is ready!

[1corona4u]

25. Yes, and let's not forget this classic 22 seconds...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7Y8AFctpjo

[justinrr1]

27. That is one reason why Biden is our best chance

he wont take any of the right wing bullshit that got Kerry in trouble.

[PatSeg]

39. That's for sure!

Biden is the ONE Dem the republicans DON'T want to run against.

[butterfly77]

69. I have been saying this for a long time now...

they just hate hillary and bill no matter what but, they really don't want Biden. I have watched some of these rightwing pundits and they make sure they change the subject if Biden's name comes up. They know that they can't pull out some talking point because Biden will hit them with the facts. I don't like the mealy mouth long explanations some of the others have been giving.

[PatSeg]

32. That look at the end is priceless

I never get tired of watching it.

[troubleinwinter]

40. Thanks for that! Priceless!!!! Hahaha! He was slapping Rudie for his crap on Obama & HC.

Good man.

[youthere]

63. While eating lunch on the run no less.

Love that Joe!

[WheelWalker]

52. Mother of Buddha ! That IS classic !!! I literally fell out of my

chair when I saw the look on Joe's face there at the end. What a clip!

[JerseygirlCT]

29. Yeah, I think he would, too.

And that *would* be fun to watch!

[goodgd_yall]

33. I do believe

Joe Biden would beat any other Republican candidates in a debate. I also think that of Chris Dodd.

[PatSeg]

34. "Every time Biden mentions Rudy's name, an angel get his/her

wings!" And Rudy gets an ulcer. Rudy must HATE Joe Biden!

[sniffa]

37. i think most of the dems would

but Biden definately would.

Hillary would be the only sure loser in that debate.

[Tom Joad]

41. I thought he only ate Arabs?

[Catherine Vincent]

44. And he probably will.

Go Biden!

[skipos]

45. He is a great speaker. I agree with him. nt

[Odin2005]

46. BWAHAHAHA!!! Kick his ass, Joe!

:yourock:

[1corona4u]

51. Joe & Rudy...

Rudy-->

[FatDave]

47. Don't forget the Maalox, Joe.

Yes, plenty of Maalox after that meal.

[faithfulcitizen]

48. Haha! Yes, I hear he's very bitter. :)

[Evergreen Emerald]

53. He would too--that would be a fun debate to watch

In fact, he would eat every republican alive!

[avrdream]

54. Go get 'em, cowboy!

I just love that: "I will eat Rudy G... alive." Simply the best. Typical Biden style, too.

[1corona4u]

55. LOL....

[JVS]

56. I'm gonna eat his children an stomp on his testicles!

Iron Mike 2012

[Eurobabe]

57. Bwahahha! Great line by Joe: George W. Ghouliani, etc.

:rofl:

[nyc 4 Biden]

59. i dont know why . . .

but i believe him!! :)

[saltpoint]

61. I'm not sure Giuliani will be in the race after the South Carolina primary.

Things aren't exactly going his way right now.

It could turn around for him, but it doesn't feel as if it will. I think his polling will continue to drop.

If Biden were to be our nominee and Rudy theirs the first debate would be all Biden. Rudy would be reduced to his usual back-alley thuggery, and it just wouldn't work on Biden at all.

At the end of the event, men in white coats would have to fill Giuliani with animal tranquilizer and cart his sorry ass off to involuntariy commitment.

[1corona4u]

62. Joe should jump on this as a way to raise money...

hold a Joe/Rudy debate, charge to see it...I'd go, and pay-whatever to get in....of course the chicken shit con would probably say no...sort of a "winner take all cash" contest...have the public vote via computer/phone...

[youthere]

64. I'd love to see Biden debate ANY of the repukes...

because there isn't ONE that would stand a chance against him.

[faithfulcitizen]

65. No doubt! I just wish the Iowa and NH dems would give us this present.

Pretty please... :)

[youthere]

66. I'll do my best!

Mr.Youthere and I are both caucusing for Biden.

[murbley40]

70. Thank you, Thank you!

[jackstraw45]

67. No doubt, Biden knows how to TALK to a TV camera...too bad he votes so POORLY on important issues.nt

nt

[1corona4u]

74. Yawwwwnnnnn....

[in_cog_ni_to]

76. Yawn? So you think the Credit Card companies deserve to be protected, but the poor don't?

WTF?

[1corona4u]

77. Credit cards are optional.

Let me repeat that. Credit cards are optional. If someone doesn't like deal they have, there are a million other companies out there. If someone can't get a good plan, or a rate, chances are, they; 1. have no credit; 2. they're a credit criminal. Poor people don't generally have credit cards, because of the 1st reason. If they do have credit cards, then hopefully, they are smart enough not to run them up to the ceiling, with no viable means to pay them.

That's how I feel about it. And before you go off slamming me, let me give you a breif background on why I feel that way.

I was a HS dropout. I started to work at the age of 17, in a Blake's Lotta Burger, in Albuquerque NM. I got an apartment shortly thereafter, and I have been out on my own ever since. I have never filed for a BK, even though I had credit issues early on, I have never taken ANY public aid whatsoever, and I used the skills I did have to make it my way through this life, without help from anyone.

I moved to Florida 14 years ago, with $2000.00 in my pocket, an 11 yr old car, everything I owned IN the car, and NO JOB. I stayed in a really bad part of town, renting a room for $85.00 a week, got a job making FIVE dollars an hour, saved my money, got a better job, got a better apartment, etc.

Now, I now have 3 profitable businesses, I pay my bills on time, I keep at least 20K in my checking account, and I have a moderate stock portfolio. I own my own home, I have a new car, I have about 15 credit cards, most with no balances, at all, and it took me my whole life to get here.

The Bottom line is, people have plenty of opportunity in this country. Whether or not they choose to take the bull by the horns and actually do something about it, is another thing all together.

So, while I have compassion for the poor, and there will always be special circumstances, if you are asking me to feel sorry for those 'less fortunante', then I'm going to have a hard time doing that, since I was one who pulled herself up and did it ALONE.

[in_cog_ni_to]

78. Your compassion is overwhelming!

NOT.

Not everyone is able to save $2000 to get that start. Hell, some people don't know where their next meal will come from, let alone have enough money to SAVE.. It was much easier to live on less 14 years ago than it is today. The dollar doesn't go very far these days and if you can't see that, then I feel sorry for you!

Happy Holidays.:(

[frogcycle]

79. and anyone who thinks that solving that problem by running up credit card debt

needs counseling
Here are aspects of the supposedly onerous bankruptcy bill:

http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/20/pf/bankruptcy_bill/index.htm

It does not automatically throw poor people out in the street. It provides for better means tests to filter out the scam artists who repeatedly run up credit cards and then walk away from them.
It says if you have the means to pay back 25% of the debt you incurred voluntarily, you should do so.

It says if you buy a house and also run up credit card debt, you can only shield 125,000 equity in the house in the first 40 months, or if you are guilty of violating securities laws or some other crimes.

There are a lot of people who have learned how to abuse the system. I personally know more than one who who have declared bankruptcy multiple times, walked away from credit card bills, live in nice houses, and still have all the stuff they bought two or three bankruptcies ago.

If this bill is imperfect; if there are individual cases where it is too heavy-handed, there are provisions for the courts to use discretion. If the means tests need to be tweaked, or if special circumstances need to be defined for hardship cases like medical emergencies, etc. then that is where to focus. Compassion for the true hardship cases is vastly different from saying this is giving the credit card companies a "handout." The "handout" is 25% of the debt paid back over five years by those with demonstrated capability to do so. Quarrel over the ability formula if you wish, but slamming this bill in total because it may make it tougher on some of those in the grey area is simpleminded.

Those who want to keep the free ride are the ones making all the noise about this.

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) – President Bush on Wednesday signed into law a bankruptcy reform bill that will make it harder for individuals to clear their debts through bankruptcy.

So, experts say, if you were thinking about filing for bankruptcy, you might think twice -- or act twice as quickly, since major provisions of the law will go into effect six months from the day the law is signed.

Individuals filing for bankruptcy usually do so either under Chapter 7 or under Chapter 13.

In a Chapter 7 bankruptcy, your assets (minus those exempted by your state) are liquidated and given to creditors, and many of your remaining debts are cancelled, giving you what's known as a "fresh start." In 2004, over 1.1 million people filed for Chapter 7, accounting for roughly 72 percent of non-business bankruptcies.

Since many Chapter 7 filers don't have assets that qualify for liquidation, credit card companies and other creditors sometimes get nothing.

In a Chapter 13 bankruptcy, you're put on a repayment plan of up to five years. Any debts not addressed by the repayment plan don't have to be paid. Last year, there were 445,574 Chapter 13 filings.

Under the new law, fewer people will be allowed to file under Chapter 7; more will be forced to file under Chapter 13.

Lawmakers who favor the legislation argue that it will prevent consumers from abusing the bankruptcy laws – using them to clear debts that they can afford to pay.

But consumer advocates argue that the new law is a gift to creditors – particularly the credit card industry, which may receive $1 billion or more from repayment plans due to the expected increase in Chapter 13 filings, according to Robert McKinley, CEO of CardWeb.com.

"The bill simply doesn't balance responsibility between families in debt trouble and the creditors whose practices have contributed to the rise in bankruptcies," said Travis Plunkett of the Consumer Federation of America in a written statement.
Key changes

Here are some of the major changes for consumers under the new law:

A qualifying test: Currently, it's up to the court to determine if your case qualifies for Chapter 7 bankruptcy.

Under the new law, your income will be subject to a two-part means test. First, it will be subject to a formula that exempts certain expenses (rent, food, etc.) to determine whether you can afford to pay 25 percent of your "nonpriority unsecured debt" such as your credit card bills. Second, your income would be compared to your state's median income.

You won't be allowed to file for Chapter 7 if your income is above your state's median and you can afford to pay 25 percent of your unsecured debt, said California-based bankruptcy attorney Stephen Elias, who is coauthor of the book "How to File for Chapter 7 Bankruptcy." But, he said, you may be allowed to file for Chapter 13.

If your income is below the state's median but you can pay 25 percent of your unsecured debt, you may be able to file Chapter 7, but the court can still require you to file Chapter 13 instead if it believes that you would be abusing the system by filing for Chapter 7, Elias said.

Under current law, the court has great latitude in deciding whether debtors may file for bankruptcy in consideration of their personal circumstances. Under the new law, there will be few if any exceptions made to the means test, no matter how sympathetic your case, said Leon Bayer, a bankruptcy attorney in Los Angeles.

Determining what you can afford to pay: Currently, if you file for Chapter 13 today, the court determines what you can afford to pay based on what you and the court deem to be reasonable and necessary expenses.

Under the new law, the court will apply living standards derived by the IRS to determine what is reasonable to pay for rent, food and other expenses to figure out how much you have available to pay your debts. The IRS regulations are more stringent, and to contest them means asking for a hearing from a judge, which can mean more time and expense, Elias said.

Tougher homestead exemptions: Currently, if you declare bankruptcy, the state where you file may allow you to protect from creditors some or all of your home equity. In Florida, for instance, your home may be entirely exempt, even if you bought it soon before filing. In Nevada, you may exempt up to $200,000.

The new law, however, places more stringent restrictions on the homestead exemption. For instance, if filers haven't lived in a state for at least two years, they may only take the state exemption of the state where they lived for the majority of the time for the 180 days before the two-year period.

Filers may only exempt up to $125,000, regardless of a state's exemption allowance, if their home was acquired less than 40 months before filing or if the filer has violated securities laws or been found guilty of certain criminal conduct.

Unlike most of the other provisions, the new homestead exemption rules go into effect immediately.

[in_cog_ni_to]

75. Ditto that sentiment. If only he hadn't voted against poor people with that Bankruptcy Bill vote and

FOR MBNA and the CC companies.:( That totally SUCKS.

[Think82]

83. yeah. 1 vote you don't like in 35 years of terriffic service. Nice sense of proportion.

[Qutzupalotl]

68. Error: You've already recommended that thread.

[in_cog_ni_to]

73. I saw that speech. It was AWESOME!

There's NO DOUBT he would eat Rudolph alive in a debate! No doubt whatsoever.:thumbsup: That was a GREAT speech, BTW.

[hughee99]

80. "Joe Biden endorses cannibalism", where's the headline? n/t

[AspenRose]

81. He sure would, no doubt about that.

That would be must see TV.

[PresidentObama]

82. He won't have the chance. Rudy won't be the nominee.

[PatSeg]

84. At the rate the republicans are going, they

may have to call Alan Keyes again.

[murbley40]

85. kick

[trof]

88. Washington Times: "Biden Endorses Cannibalism"

:rofl:

[PatSeg]

89. Do cannibals eat their prey alive?

Naw, just politicians!

[Common Sense Party]

90. With fava beans and a nice bottle of chianti? nt

[FrenchieCat]

91. Did anyone tell Biden that Ghoulie is sinking like a stone?

Shouldn't someone give him a ring? :shrug:

[PatSeg]

92. Well there's always Huckabee

next, but I think he's suffering the same fate as Rudy.

[1corona4u]

93. You're forgetting one thing...

republicans don't care about the shit Rudy has done......