Obama ... political expediency or the Politics of Change?

[ccpup]

does this sound like the Politics of Hope and Change to you? Or is it just a surprising example of him having done something in the past that he now attacks other candidates about. Certainly doesn't sound courageous.

courtesy of DU Member BeyondGeography:

"Anyway, the "present" strategy was designed to frustrate Republicans, a goal I'm sure you support. Here's what the head of Illinois Planned Parenthood had to say about it from the same article:

==..."The Republicans were in control of the Illinois Senate at the time. They loved to hold votes on 'partial birth' and 'born alive'. They put these bills out all the time . . . because they wanted to pigeonhole Democrats."

Speaking to ABC News as Obama was preparing to join Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., and the wife of Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., in addressing Planned Parenthood’s national conference in Washington, D.C., Sutherland said Obama approached her in the late 1990s and worked with her and others in crafting the strategy of voting "present." She remembers meeting with Obama outside of the Illinois Senate chambers on the Democratic side of the aisle. She and Obama finished their conversation in his office.

"He came to me and said: 'My members are being attacked. We need to figure out a way to protect members and to protect women,'" said Sutherland in recounting her conversation with Obama. "A 'present' vote was hard to pigeonhole which is exactly what Obama wanted."

"What it did," she continued, "was give cover to moderate Democrats who wanted to vote with us but were afraid to do so" because of how their votes would be used against them electorally. "A 'present' vote would protect them. Your senator voted 'present.' Most of the electorate is not going to know what that means."==

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/obama-a...

[NewHampster]

1. Politically chicken shit if you ask me

He has a problem with decisions and likes to cover his ass.

Thanks for the good info. Recomended

[ccpup]

2. don't thank me

thank BeyondGeography, a wonderfully, unapologetically energetic 'bama supporter. :evilgrin:

[NewHampster]

3. I would say Bama Droid

or as my friends say, BamaBot

[ccpup]

4. a friend of mine

calls them the 'bamaBrats.

[saracat]

17. My My. Aren't you the same folks that dislike the term Hillbot? And NO I have never referred to you

or anyone else by that term. It is disrespectful. But it seems there was all this outrage directed at those that call the supporters of the former front runner that derogatory term and here some are using similar terms for another candidates supporters! Hmm.Not nice.On either side.Just saying.And not so long ago some were saying how the HRC supporters "turned the other cheek".

[SaveElmer]

5. The former...nt

[Lucinda]

6. blog link didn't work for me

[ilovesunshine]

9. Nor me. nt

[ccpup]

13. here you go

sorry about that

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/obama-abortion-.html

[ccpup]

12. link

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/obama-abortion-.html

[gene430]

7. Has to get aggressive

Obama has to be willing to get in the mud and sling. What Hillary is putting on him is nothing compared to what he would see in the general election.

[NewHampster]

8. It ain't spit compared to shit he'll face

[oasis]

10. k and r

[ccpup]

11. blog link

sorry for the wait, guys.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/obama-abortion-.html

[CyberPieHole]

14. Obama's behavior is as expected: hypocritical.

I cannot trust the man.

[PATRICK]

15. I'd say both

and if you can have just the latter it must be another country than the one I am seeing through the fraud-media filter.

In defense of the latter I think he does mean it and that is where he is coming from fundamentally. Someone thinking he is 95% a coldly ambitious man who primarily wants to be the Main Guy would have a much easier time proving it were it true. Those who think he is 100% the candidate of change had better switch to DK or anger and heartbreak and delusion fill the personal horizon. I personally think Edwards is much more the candidate of actual change, but that Obama is the "fresh face" new generation thing with the usual blank spaces.

[saracat]

16. no one is more "politically expedient "than Ms.Hillary.It is life's breath to her.

It may well be that Obama is playing politics but it surely is not a good thing for the Clinton Camp, the employers of such as Mark Penn and the framers of such expediency as the Kyl/Lieberman vote to attack any other candidate on "expediency".That is a bit "over the top".

[Renew Deal]

18. You're attacking Obama for standing up for womens rights?

Because that's what this is all about. The Democrats couldn't kill those anti-choice bills on their own. They were trying to get republican help. They were doing what they could to stifle the anti-choice vote in the Senate. This may be a bad thing to some. I say good for Obama for standing up for choice!