Kurt_and_Hunter
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Mon Dec-03-07 09:41 PM
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Clinton, Obama and Dodd go to the back of the class. Biden gets a gold star!! |
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Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 09:45 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
S. 970: Iran Counter-Proliferation Act of 2007. Clinton..co-sponsor Obama..co-sponsor Dodd....co-sponsor Biden...no thanks! SEC. 2. FINDINGS. Congress makes the following findings:(1) For more than 20 years, Iran has pursued a secret nuclear program that is intended to produce a nuclear weapons capability for Iran.
(2) The Government of Iran has consistently misled the United Nations, the International Atomic Energy Agency, and the United States as to the objectives and scope of its nuclear activities.
(3) Iran has refused to comply with United Nations Security Council Resolution 1737, adopted on December 23, 2006, which called for the suspension of all enrichment-related and reprocessing activities and is advancing work at its largest nuclear facility.
(4) The International Atomic Energy Agency is unable to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran and its Director-General has stated that Iran could be 6 months to a year away from acquiring the material necessary to make a nuclear weapon.
(5) An Iranian nuclear weapons capability poses a grave threat to the security of the United States and its allies around the world.
(6) It is in the national security interests of the United States to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapons capability.
(7) The United States should use all political, economic, and diplomatic tools at its disposal to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapons capability.
(8) Nothing in this Act should be construed as giving the President the authority to use military force against Iran.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s110-970
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Mon Dec-03-07 09:46 PM
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1. Correct. Biden is the guy who has been standing out on Iran |
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Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 09:55 PM by Tom Rinaldo
Obama, Edwards, Dodd, and Clinton have all made sure they found ways to highlight their tough stands against Iran over the course of the last year.
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Tue Dec-04-07 01:25 AM
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29. Dont forget Dennis Kucinich, he has been right all along. |
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Tue Dec-04-07 09:48 AM
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31. You are correct of course |
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I only listing candidates in the Senate since K/L was only voted on there, but I should have ncluded Kucinich anyway, absolutely. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Tue Dec-04-07 12:52 PM
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33. Yes! Props to Dennis! Gold star for him too. |
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Mon Dec-03-07 09:50 PM
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Mon Dec-03-07 09:53 PM
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3. All while ignoring Pakistan and the nuclear weapons they |
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already have. Talk about saber rattling, geez. :eyes:
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Mon Dec-03-07 09:59 PM
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6. Exactly, the truth comes out and damned if Biden didn't nail it again! |
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Biden also said the small amount of processed uranium (?) (that stuff nukes are made of), that Iran may have is nothing compared to the issues in Pakistan.
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Tue Dec-04-07 09:26 AM
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Mon Dec-03-07 09:54 PM
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4. Biden is right - once again! |
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Mon Dec-03-07 09:55 PM
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And you had such a nice smear going (didn't think anyone would read that far, didja?). Nice try.
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:06 PM
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7. Sure did and No. 8 would not be a problem for bush to explain away |
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After all, the main thrust of the document was to declare a part of a country's military a terrorist organization. He has the power to attack a terrorist organization - well, that is my conclusion on this resolution!?
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:08 PM
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8. I think this was some other resolution. I have heard Hillary throw it in Obama's face that he voted |
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for this one. This was to act tough on Iran, but not give the Prez authority to go to war.
It really scares me that all of these candidates are so ignorant on foreign affairs. Where are they getting their information from?
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:17 PM
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14. Oops, that is what I get for not reading the orig. document |
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and assuming too much. Thanks. This was concerning sanctions - - duh.
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:26 PM
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15. They are all so similar. Iran Iran Iran. |
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:11 PM
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10. Bush can twist anything to his advantage |
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He's just trying to "purtect the Ameriken people" against all those bad boogeymen out there.
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:32 PM
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16. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA hahahahahaha.... |
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Unfortunantely, I heard that in my head....
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:35 PM
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I can see that hideous "shrug" of his and his eyes blinking a mile-a-minute. Okay, I'm going to have nightmares now.
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:50 PM
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26. Yeah, it did call for designating the IRGC a terrorist organization. |
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Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 11:58 PM by Jennifer C
S. 970: Iran Counter-Proliferation Act of 2007
A bill to impose sanctions on Iran and on other countries for assisting Iran in developing a nuclear program, and for other purposes.
SEC. 3. SENSE OF CONGRESS.
(8) The Secretary of State should designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guards as a Foreign Terrorist Organization under section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1189) and the Secretary of the Treasury should place the Iranian Revolutionary Guards on the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists under Executive Order 13224 (66 Fed. Reg. 186; relating to blocking property and prohibiting transactions with persons who commit, threaten to commit, or support terrorism).
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:13 PM
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12. Are you joking? It is now a SMEAR to note the text of a bill? |
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:09 PM
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9. I'm taking a second look. I was leaning Edwards but.... |
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... there seems to be something lacking there.
I had dismissed Biden as terminally afflicted with foot-in-mouth disease... which perhaps he IS. Nonetheless, he produces killer soundbites and exudes a spontaneity ( maybe he thinks that he just doesn't have much to lose; he doesn't)that is a breath of fresh air in the current crop.
Also, as the OP notes, he's got foreign policy sophistication and a degree of savvy.
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:12 PM
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11. He said he was going to run "his way" |
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even if that meant losing. He is not about to compromise and that comes through very clearly.
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:16 PM
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13. You know - that's what does it for me. |
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How is it that the other candidates did not know this? Obama and Dodd are both on the Senate Foreign Relations committee!
It really scares me how they fell for Bush's rhetoric - again.
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:41 PM
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24. Here's a perhaps odd thought |
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It really scares me how they fell for Bush's rhetoric - again. Maybe it wasn't falling for Dumbya's bullshit; I just can't believe that any more. Maybe Biden is the only one they don't have blackmailable info on.
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:53 PM
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27. Ohhhhh...interesting thought... |
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Tue Dec-04-07 12:44 PM
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32. Joe has little money, and is probably faithful |
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Wed Dec-05-07 11:02 AM
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but then they're known to just make shit up! I don't think anything the repugs have would stick though. People are much more aware this time around.
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:33 PM
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17. I like both Biden and Edwards |
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I think Biden probably would probably be better at getting things done, building consensus and all that. LBJ was the last president that really excelled at that. Both Edwards and Biden are good speakers. Biden leads in "experience." IMO, Biden would be our strongest general election candidate. He is also the candidate who has the most room to pick any VP he wants, like a Gov. Sebelius of Kansas, Obama, Richardson or Gov. Schweitzer of Montana. Obama and Hillary will probably want white males for VP. Both Obama and Edwards will probably need to go for someone who has a lot of perceived experience.
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:44 PM
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25. Good point. Biden could run with a woman easily |
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Tue Dec-04-07 01:56 PM
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34. You mentioned, "Biden would be our strongest general election |
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candidate." That has been my belief all along. He makes sense without insulting those that he needs to convince to help him accomplish his goals. Repubs can be stubborn but not all are stupid.
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:39 PM
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19. The good thing with Joe is... |
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what you see, is what you get.
My best friends daughter, when she was 5, was standing with me at a gumball machine, and I said something about the color I wanted, and she said; "Aunt Lynne, you get what you get". I laughed so hard, because even a 5 yr old knew that some things are just beyond your control. With this election, we DO have the control, and I suggest we use it.
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Mon Dec-03-07 10:59 PM
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20. Interesting - you know who also is NOT a co-sponsor? |
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:00 PM
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:02 PM
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This says alot.
Thanks for posting this. I was not aware that there were 62 co-sponsors of this resolution. 62 idiots in the Senate!
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Mon Dec-03-07 11:06 PM
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23. Actually, 68 co-sponsors. That's veto-proof idiocy! |
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Edited on Mon Dec-03-07 11:07 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
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Tue Dec-04-07 01:21 AM
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but I think he's Hillary's choice for VP too...
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Tue Dec-04-07 04:58 PM
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36. WOW. I did not know this. Surprised at Dodd, Clinton, and Barack. Go JOE! |
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Tue Dec-04-07 04:59 PM
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37. Excellent research, thanks to the OP ! K&R n/t |
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