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Tue Dec-04-07 09:54 AM
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Poll question: Which leading candidate would say is most often attacked on DU? |
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Tue Dec-04-07 09:55 AM
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1. This Biden supporter says without a doubt, Hillary. |
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Tue Dec-04-07 09:56 AM
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2. Depends on the day and the topic... I'd say that the woman and the |
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black one more often because they are in the news more often.
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Tue Dec-04-07 09:58 AM
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3. It's Sad That You Can Make Sexist Cracks And Be Lauded But You Make A Racist Crack |
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And You Get Crucified....
You should get crucified for both...
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Tue Dec-04-07 10:20 AM
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Where is it racist or sexist to identify a black candidate as black and a female candidate as female?
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Tue Dec-04-07 04:21 PM
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19. Where Did I Say That? |
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I said that gender based epithets are hurled at Hillary... You never see race based epithets hurled at Obama nor should you... Both should be prohibited, as I originally and so succinctly stated...
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Tue Dec-04-07 04:24 PM
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21. My error perhaps - but seeing it in reference to a post |
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and seeing "you should be crucified for both" that's the way I took it, especially as they were no epithets being used anywhere else. No doubt I was assuming the specific you not the generic you. My apologies.
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Tue Dec-04-07 09:59 AM
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4. Considering That Most Of the Time, There Is NO Female or Non-White Candidate |
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this is a silly poll. I'd say the one most likely to do the Party or the country harm gets the most attention.
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Tue Dec-04-07 10:00 AM
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5. Probably the one who most deserves to be "attacked." |
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Tue Dec-04-07 10:16 AM
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I didn't vote in the poll above. It's lame.
To my perception, over the last couple of weeks it's changed from Obama being attacked the most to Clinton being attacked the most. And during the transition, Kucinich got hammered.
It's the nature of the beast. This is the way it's going to be, kids. Get used to it. Unless you'd rather live by a Democratic version of Reagan's 11th commandment.
In my opinion, it's got less to do with race or gender than it does with who's the perceived front-runner. (Kucinich, like a whack-a-mole mole, just stuck his head up at the wrong time.)
Then again, I'm not a misogynist or a racist, so maybe I missed something...lol.
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Tue Dec-04-07 10:19 AM
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10. Ah, but I saw you admit that she was your distant second choice, lol |
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There is an unwritten political rule of thumb: The person most deserving of attack is the person standing between you and victory.
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Tue Dec-04-07 10:01 AM
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6. Attack? What does that mean? |
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At this time, we are supposed to be choosing a candidate. To do that, we need to look at both the good and the bad in each candidate. This is a forum in which we communicate candidly with each other. We may disagree with each other, but it is foolish at this stage to silence honest reactions, even if negative, to the candidates. We need to know as much as we can -- the good, the bad and the ugly about each candidate. We need to know how other people react to the candidates. There is a lot of oversensitivity and over-reaction to honest criticism of the candidates on this forum. Yelling foul every time something points out a flaw in the candidate you prefer suppresses and discourages free expression.
Don't worry. We are not going to give Republicans any ideas they aren't capable of inventing themselves. The fact of the matter is that some of the candidates have a lot of problems. Silencing those who point the problems out does not make them go away. To the contrary. It just delays the discovery of the problems.
As for unity. Unity of our party is either there or it isn't. You cannot force people to like your candidate. Either your candidate appeals to a broad spectrum of people, a broad spectrum of DUers or he or she does not. Silencing and shaming people who say what they really think won't change what they think. Either we can speak openly on DU or we go elsewhere. If you have good things to say about the candidate you prefer, say them, but don't try to stop other people from expressing their opinions.
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Tue Dec-04-07 10:18 AM
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Tue Dec-04-07 10:17 AM
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8. FWIW, the open page I clicked on had two threads... |
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attacking Hillary and one going after Obama.
Seems like that's the trend.
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Tue Dec-04-07 10:54 AM
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12. I think there's sexism involved |
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There are certainly many reasons to dislike Hillary, but the intensity of the attacks on her from both the left and right has to have more to do than her politics. The differences between the candidates is not that great, and one could make a good case that Edwards is no more liberal than Hillary. Of course, the fact that she's a front runner explains some of the criticism, but there's plenty of evidence that she no longer has a commanding lead in critical states. I think it's unconscious sexism, and I think it permeates our society. I saw the same thing here in Massachusetts when liberal Shannon O'Brien ran for governor and when very moderate Republican Jane Swift was temporary governor; they both got picked on in ways that men never get picked on.
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Tue Dec-04-07 06:26 PM
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Tue Dec-04-07 04:11 PM
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13. She's in the lead....it only makes sense that she is the one most attacked. |
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Tue Dec-04-07 04:13 PM
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Tue Dec-04-07 04:16 PM
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15. The black/white/female/male frontrunner. |
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Tue Dec-04-07 04:17 PM
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16. One female, one black, and a bunch of white candidates |
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I think naming them would have been better. More clear and less sexist and racist. But maybe that was intended.
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Tue Dec-04-07 04:17 PM
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Tue Dec-04-07 04:20 PM
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18. Ah, jeez, give it a rest already. |
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This is worse than bickering over the high school Homecoming court.
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Tue Dec-04-07 04:23 PM
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20. Thing about the Hillary attacks - some of them are for the wrong reasons |
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I don't mind when they go to her record - she certainly deserves a lot of criticism on that. But some of the personal attacks (a la Arianna "did she kill Bill when he lied about opposing the war?") piss me off.
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Tue Dec-04-07 05:34 PM
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Tue Dec-04-07 06:01 PM
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23. These candidates have names you know. |
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I dont think Hillary or Barack or running as "the woman candidate" or "the black candidate"
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Tue Dec-04-07 06:05 PM
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24. THE white male candidate is attacked so much, he seems like more than one person! |
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And whether you call this sole white male candidate Dodd, Edwards, Biden, or Kucinich, this one guy gets more negative criticism than any one person deserves.
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Tue Dec-04-07 06:08 PM
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25. Thank you for reminding us that candidates can be judged entirely by race and gender |
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Every now and then I slip up and start thinking of them as human beings with individual values, ideas, and critical faculties rather than simple stand ins for idiotic stereotypes based on demographic accidents. Thanks for reminding me that people are nothing more than simple categories to sorted and diminished, asshole.
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Tue Dec-04-07 06:11 PM
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26. The Purple candidate. |
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Tue Dec-04-07 06:18 PM
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which is hillarious given that her positions are scarcely different from those of her rivals.
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Tue Dec-04-07 06:20 PM
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28. The Corporate stooge candidate? |
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Tue Dec-04-07 06:22 PM
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29. this poll proves you right. nt |
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