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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 08:18 AM
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Shapiro: The Dodd and Biden Show (NPR Debate wrapup)
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/12/05/npr_debate/
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The Dodd and Biden show

When Tuesday's debate turned to foreign policy, the two veteran senators schooled Clinton and Obama.

By Walter Shapiro

Dec. 5, 2007 | In politics, radio can be the great leveler. According to legend, the 5 o'clock-shadowed Richard Nixon won the first 1960 presidential debate against matinee idol John Kennedy among voters who only listened on radio. And for two hours on Tuesday afternoon on National Public Radio, those veteran foreign-policy experts Joe Biden and Chris Dodd dominated the penultimate Democratic debate before the Jan. 3 Iowa caucuses. As Barack Obama put it during a discussion of Chinese trade policies, "Chris and Joe made a good point."

NPR provided the perfect forum to highlight for a brief moment the overlooked strengths of these two long shots, who collectively have spent 66 years in the Senate. The potentially dismissive word "polls" was not uttered once during the debate. With radio, there is never the manipulative temptation to group Hillary Clinton, Obama and John Edwards at the center of a stage. But most important, this was the first candidate face-off that gave some of the knottier challenges of foreign policy the detailed attention they deserve.

Scoring a debate is an impressionistic exercise -- and others may not share my upbeat assessment of Biden and Dodd. (Here is an alternative grading system.) A cerebral afternoon radio debate devoted to just three topics (Iran, China and immigration) is not likely to move political markets, even with the caucuses less than a month away. Nor did it provide the zesty one-liners and snarky attacks that often shape press coverage.

But for two hours Tuesday afternoon, Biden and Dodd made the case that traditional political experience matters in choosing a president. From the subtleties of Iranian policy (where Biden excelled) to the nuances of academic studies on illegal immigration (where everyone deferred to Dodd), the two senators sounded knowledgeable in answering questions rather than as if they were reciting "Canned Debate Answer No. 623."

These answers were neither objectionable nor memorable. But Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was in his element, offering a big-picture answer. "We need a doctrine of prevention," he said. "The role of a great power is to prevent crises. And we don't have to imagine any of the crises. We know what's going to happen on Day One when you're president. You have Pakistan, Russia, China ... Afghanistan. You have Darfur. And it requires engagement and prevention."

NPR's gift to Iowa voters may have been creating the setting for the campaign's first "Experience Counts" debate. Tuesday's broadcast served as a reminder that the leading Democratic candidates all boast unconventional political résumés -- Clinton's eight dramatic years as first lady; Obama's three-year skyrocket from obscure Illinois state senator to top-tier presidential candidate; and Edwards' own rapid transition from trial lawyer to 2004 vice-presidential nominee. But as Biden and Dodd demonstrated -- during an afternoon that probably will be no more than a political blip -- there are benefits to a long apprenticeship on Capitol Hill for the presidency.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:03 AM
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1. Experience does matter
as long as it is combined with good judgment. Both Dodd and Biden have them.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 12:01 PM
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7. 66 years in the Senate among 2 veterans
vs. a total of 16 for the so called "top 3".
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 12:32 PM
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13. Absolutely mind-boggling.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:44 AM
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2. I wish they would get more press..but these two can't compete
against the Hillary/Obama/Edwards show. I only hope Iowans come through for them.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:47 AM
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3. K&R
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:54 AM
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4. I listened to this debate..........
and the difference between Biden and Dodd and the rest of the group was striking. It's hard for me to grasp why Biden has so little national support. I'm so impressed by him, and I'll be supporting him. Dodd was clearly the second most impressive candidate at this forum, but I don't think he's a good bet in a general election. Hillary's comments regarding Iran are so disappointing, and Obama doesn't appear to be ready to show leadership on that issue.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:58 AM
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6. I'm glad to hear that PaDem :)
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 12:03 PM
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8. Can you image a President Joe "know-it-all" Biden listening to anyone's advice, but his own?
Of the two, I'll take Dodd.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 12:11 PM
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9. How the hell can you say that when yesterday Dodd corrected him on something
and Biden graciously thanked him for it???

Personally, I would take Biden or Dodd way before . . . nevermind!

Ya know - you Obama supporters better take a good look in the mirror before you insult other candidates.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 12:18 PM
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10. I Never Knew...
a great leader that didn't have an ego.

-Paige
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:56 AM
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5. And what else I really enjoyed about those two was how they complimented each other.
Dodd corrected Biden on something. Biden thanked him and praised Dodd for his knowledge.
Dodd praised Biden on foreign affairs. They teased each other and they appreciated each others strengths.

There was none of this "so and so did this in kindergarten" crap.

Just two adults that have alot to offer this country.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 12:19 PM
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11. i listened from start to finish, and at one point it occured to me that i was hearing
a couple of people who sounded trustworthy among a group of others who seemed like interns interviewing for a management job based on their experience on the student activities board. "i did this in the legislature... i did that in the legislature... the presidency will be just like that..."

Biden was one of the standouts. Dodd stood out too, but, to my ears he sounded cranky and pig-headed.

Edwards, came in second for me. he argued based on principle -- but, he didn't have the pragmatic solutions that Biden did.

the NPR debate really made me imagine the scene in the White House in January 2009. it made me question who is going to be able to hit the ground running. it made me wonder how each candidate would set about to solve the problems facing us.

the discussion on China was particularly interesting. if we weren't engaged in a land war in asia, we'd be putting all our energy into fixing our trade problems -- they are THAT big. we are deep shit with our China relationship and i'm afraid our campaign for empire is going to be our downfall as we continue to ignore the destruction of our economic base. again, biden excelled on this issue.

here's a link to the 2-hour debate:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16843353
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 02:08 PM
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14. I've been saying that about China for a long time
It is definitely the elephant in the room that people want to ignore. We are on the brink of economic disaster and only a handful of people will acknowledge it.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 12:29 PM
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12. I like Biden, Dodd, & Richardson over the top 3, in that order.
Edited on Wed Dec-05-07 12:30 PM by faithfulcitizen
I guess I'm just an experience matters kind of person. Call me old-fashioned. :P Great Article!
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