Clinton team immediatly fires person involved in Obama email

[KennedyGuy]

In the comments section to the post, Hillary Internet guru Peter Daou passes along a statement from a top official at the Hillary campaign acknowledging that the email had in fact been sent by the Clinton county chair:

Since seeing your post...we investigated this and below is a response from Clinton campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle:
"There is no place in our campaign, or any campaign, for this kind of politics. A volunteer county coordinator made the mistake of forwarding an outrageous and offensive chain e-mail. This was wholly unauthorized and we were totally unaware of it. Let me be clear: No one should be engaging in this. We are asking this volunteer county coordinator to step down and are making it clear to every person involved in our campaign that this will not be tolerated
http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/12/hillary_campaign_acknowledges_that_hillary_backer_passed_along_obama_madrassa_email.php

[saracat]

1. You can't "fire" a volunteer.And BTW, a county chair is a prtetty high ranking official

to be sending out such snark.I would think they would know better but then again, maybe they do.

[KennedyGuy]

2. But you can ask him to step down...

Which they did..
did you miss that part?

[saracat]

23. Nope. I was just referecing the OP's headline.

[ronnykmarshall]

3. They could shoot the mother fucker and you'd still whine about it.

[Catherine Vincent]

11. So true!

:thumbsup:

[Cameron27]

16. For sure.

[saracat]

25. Who is whining? Not me! Just made a statement of fact.OP says "fired' and you can't "fire'

a "volunteer"

[ronnykmarshall]

27. Again ...

Even if they made this person dress up in a chicken suit and threw eggs at her in the town sqaure, you'd be screeching about the eggs.

[saracat]

30. Baloney. The only thing I wonder about is this "volunteer' being a County Chair

, an elected Democratic Party Official, who should have known better.Why would such a person do this? It cannot be they were unaware of how badly this would reflect on this Campaign. The fact that this person is a County Chair has nothing to do with the alleged front runners Campaign. This seems more like a "party" matter.

[ronnykmarshall]

32. Up?

[The Magistrate]

4. Not Much More They Than Can Do But Fire the Wretch, Ma'am

[ronnykmarshall]

5. Watch how the wind blows ...

in one ear and out the other!

[cali]

6. of course you can fire a volunteer. I did it on several occasions

when I was coordinating a volunteer program. And no volunteer at a county level is remotely high ranking. Ridiculous.

[Nailzberg]

20. They're pretty hard to get a leash on.

You generally get their support, then they go off and do uncoordinated things to help you. And occasionally one goes off the reservation like this. And you can't fire them, but you do block them out of the campaign.

[Skip Intro]

7. Thanks. Sorry Obama gang, it's just not the big HRC conspiracy you wanted it to be.

Again.

[Ian David]

8. Unless he had been planning to resign, and Hillary said, "Well, send out this email first."

Yes, I AM kidding.

[Skip Intro]

12. rofl

you had me there for a second...

[ronnykmarshall]

13. You are so BAD!

:spank:

[geek tragedy]

9. Not true.

They fired this person AFTER it was made public.

Big difference.

[ronnykmarshall]

15. and you know this ............. how?

Where you in the room when the asshole got the ax?

[MNDemNY]

39. As opposed to firing him before they knew?

[geek tragedy]

40. She sent it to a Clinton staffer on November 21

They asked the person to step down yesterday.

[earthlover]

48. Two weeks? Wow. Did it continue during this time?

Or did it take two weeks for Hillary to make up her mind?

[jefferson_dem]

10. So the campaign is relegated to the "few bad apples" talking point?

This is the same bullshit we got from Rummy and the bunch when the torture pictures hit the media. I wonder if anyone else involved with the campaign has helped push this electronic vile around... Have they checked into it?

[cali]

18. nonsense. it wasn't even a few bad apples

it was one county chair volunteer who passed on a disgusting and racist chain email about Obama. The email from Mr. Callahan, a staffer who received this piece of shit, clearly shows his disgust, and that he had no idea who sent it.

Your comparing this to Abu-Ghabrib is just as ugly as that which you are decrying.

Careful not to become that which you hate. You're really close to that line.

[jefferson_dem]

22. Please read again.

I did not compare this situation to Abu Ghraib. I compared the response we're getting here to the response we got there. Frankly, there's no need for your request that I be careful. Thanks anyway.

[cali]

28. sorry, that's exactly what you did. you tried to associate this with

torture, Rumsfeld and Abu ghraib. That's just bizarre and ugly.

[jefferson_dem]

43. I'm sorry as well. You're misconstruing my words...

I specifically mention a "talking point" which is clearly a reference to the way her campaign is managing the PR. Nowhere did I associate the forwarding of this email to Abu Ghraib. Period. Read it again if you need to but this is the last explanation i'll offer you.

[Old and In the Way]

21. Way to go - reduce the criminality of this administration's actions on torture

by equating it to this non-issue.

Disclaimer: I'm totally unaligned to any campaign at this time.

[TheWraith]

14. Asking someone to voluntarily step down from a position is NOT FIRING THEM.

And they still haven't apologized.

[ronnykmarshall]

17. They are still in the process of heating up the oil

to boil the jerk in.

These things take time.

[cali]

19. LOL!

They told her to vamoose. They didn't ask her to voluntarily step down. And yes, Clinton should apologize.

[TheWraith]

24. "Asked to step down" is the language used by the official Clinton campaign statement.

If they want to convey a stronger condemnation, I suggest that they use the words "dismissed," "fired," or "terminated."

Frankly, they're only hurting themselves by dragging this thing on. All that's needed is a short, strongly worded statement: "This kind of vile, racist trash has no place in civilized politics, and no one who thinks it's useful has any place in our campaign. We apologize on behalf of Ms. Rose to Senator Obama, American Muslims, and all the voters whose intelligence was insulted by this base attempt at Republican-style smearmongering."

I think it would reflect well on them, and they'd more likely gain than lose out of the situation.

[saracat]

26. They "can't".It was volunteer.They can't "fire' someone that was never 'hired'. What is hard to

understand about that concept? And this wasn't just any old volunteer but a County Chair, an elected party official!

[Madam Mossfern]

31. I assumed that the people here were more politically sophisticated

It is a common practice to have someone 'fall on their sword' in instances like this....a good way of deflecting responsibility. I'm not saying that is true in this case, but it is a common practice. Just like having someone run as a sacrificial lamb, knowing very well that they have no chance of winning.

A good way to judge if this is the case in any circumstance is to look further down the road to see what kind of employment or appointments this person has.

Just sayin'

[saracat]

36. And that is very true as well!

[KennedyGuy]

33. Obama supporters will only get more and more shrill

after he looses Iowa..
Brace yourselves.

[sniffa]

42. you people kill me

[TheWraith]

35. Of course volunteers can be fired. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying.

Just because you choose to work a job for no money does NOT mean that you're not working for that person or group, and can be told to take a hike if the group so chooses.

[saracat]

37. Well, that is not the philosophy of the Democratic party and I have been involved with

training volunteers for years. You have an extra obligation to volunteers as you can't "hire'. or "fire" them.That is why they are called "volunteers'.They are precious to any campaign. The Hillary Campiign is correct to ask the "volunteer" to step dowm amd they are right to disassociate themselves with him butthey can't "fire" them.

[earthlover]

49. Great! Did the Hillary campaign make such a statement?

[Hobarticus]

29. "Volunteers can't be fired." ...y'all are hilarious

Navel-gazing for fun and profit.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. I'm Confused

All they need to do is tell the volunteer her service is no longer wanted...

Oh, she was the recipient of the poisonous missive, not its creator... That being said, she should be excoriated for passing it on...

What a dumb and mean shit...

[Pirate Smile]

38. How many Clinton supporters believe the crap in the e-mails?

http://www.observer.com/2007/hillary-supporters-obama-being-muslim

I saw that link on Marc Ambinder's blog:

"Politico's Smith obtains anti-Obama e-mail sent by Clinton volunteer; Clinton staffer Ryan Callahan was cc'ed on the original e-mail. Some Nevada supporters of HRC have been similarly off-message;"

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/12/the_daily_five_check_out_what.php

[sniffa]

41. 2 weeks later they immediately requested that the volunteer

county chair step down.

can this headline be any more kid gloved?

[ClarkUSA]

44. Busted!

Gee, I'm so surprised that an Hillaryworlder would try to smear Obama with a blatant lie. Because that NEVER happens at DU. :eyes:

Funny how that untraceable "Barack Hussein Obama Is A Muslim" email started circulating at about the same time as Obama started trending
up after Hillary screwed up during the Philly debate.

Hmmm....

[Nimrod2005]

45. Fuck the Clinton team...nt

[Catherine Vincent]

46. Fuck all the nimrods out there.

:)

[Nimrod2005]

47. Amen!

[KennedyGuy]

51. spoken like a true nimrod..

Amen

[KennedyGuy]

52. Definition of nimrod..

nim·rod (nmrd)
n.
A person regarded as silly, foolish, or stupid.

[Colobo]

53. Yes.

[jefferson_dem]

54. Agreed.

Fuckem.

[Capn Sunshine]

50. Barn door------> horse

put in Iowa terms.

You guys are kidding yourselves if you don't think that sort of behavior isn't seen in Iowa as typical of Clinton's campaign there.

Not her mind you. Just the insufferable pricks working for her.

[Cameron27]

55. This is what Chase Martyn had to say,

not a Clinton fan by any stretch of the imagination:

"I will take the unusual step of defending the Clinton campaign for a second. ... ... This whole type of spat has happened before in this campaign cycle. It is not at all unprecedented. Over the summer on the Republican side, and of course the Republicans are always way ahead on these email campaigns than the Democrats are, a Brownback county chair was actually given a volunteer position even higher than county chair, she was like a regional chair or something got caught sending out some pretty nasty emails on Romney, and the Brownback campaign was forced to repudiate her. ... ...

At a certain point, once an organization gets so big, all these field organizations face intense pressure to put names down for country coordinators in each of the counties they're in charge of and at a certain point when you're getting close to a deadline, and I've been there myself to pick these county chairs, you pick somebody, you don't have a ton of time to vet them and you put their name down as your county coordinator so that the campaign can send out a press release saying we have country coordinators in this many counties.

It's not something that the campaigns will take seriously at the level of county chairs. It's an honorary position that in some counties is important and in other counties the organizers don't really do anything with the county chair and it's just a title in name only. It really isn't, I don't think you could make the case that this email forwarding had anything, at least that the Clinton campaign told the person to do it or that this person was even in regular contact with the Clinton campaign more than say once a week. It's possible that they are, but this probably just a rogue agent, who may or may not even thought about it when this person forwarded around this email. It's not something that I think you can blame the campaign for too much. You can blame some of the campaign supporters for it, but the campaign probably officially had absolutely nothing to do with it and no knowledge of it ahead of time. ... ...

The country coordinator position is not a major position that is much power, really, outside of being a name on a press release and potentially calling some other contact in a particular county to recruit more supporters. .... (TM asks if David Yepsen will write about it.) ... ..Yepsen might write about it. I hope he doesn't try to blow it out of proportion, although he has a tendency to blow strange things out of proportion all the time. .. ... ...

Obama has been the subject of a lot of different types of emails. But I should also say though that on a daily basis I get far worse emails accusing Hillary Clinton of things than anything... .. ... but the things I get told about Hillary Clinton on a daily basis are just so much worse "

http://www.taylormarsh.com/