Olberman...Hillary claiming today the Kyle-Lieberman vote made Iran straighten up..

[elizm]

Anyone else see that?

[yourout]

1. You have to be kidding........They must have signed it in 2003 then.

That is when they gave up the Nukes.

[Joe the Revelator]

13. It scary how much like Bush she is.

Revisionist history should never be tolerated.

[LostinVA]

65. No, she isn't

[maddiejoan]

34. What's your point?

She was referring to IRG activity not nukes.

[Nimrod2005]

2. WOW, if that's accurate, she is FINISHED, thank God!

I trust KO

[ClarkUSA]

3. What an idiot.

How'd Kyl-Lieberman do that if the NIE report says Iran stopped their nulcear program FOUR years ago?

Oh, I know... Hillary has read top secret classified reports that Ahmidinejad has a car like the one in "Back To The Future" and used it to see how she voted
last month before he went back in time to shut things down in 2003.

Yeah, that's it.

[Silence Dogood]

4. Whats going on with that?

what did he say?

[monmouth]

5. She is sliding down that slippery slope...whoops...check please!

[madrchsod]

6. yup and just about everyone i`ve heard

on the radio today can`t believe she said this...man o man talk about trying to spin out of that yes vote...why in the hell does`t she just say "i made a big mistake"? we have had 7 plus years of a guy who never admitted he`s done nothing wrong.

[Lucinda]

7. Context please...straighten up in terms of what?

Diplomacy working? Financial pressure working? What is happening on the ground now? Or...?

[Pirate Smile]

8. What was Keith's take on that argument?

[elizm]

11. He didn't give his take on it really...just ran the audio of Clinton talking about it.

[flpoljunkie]

15. Olbermann did quote Biden saying K-L had nothing to do with Iran's straightening up.

[IndianaGreen]

28. In essence, Biden called Hillary a liar!

In a senatorial sort of way.

[elizm]

17. Here's the quote...I just went back on my recording....

"In fact having designated the Iranian Revolutionary guard a terroist organization, we've actually seen some changes in their behavior...We've seen the postitive effects of having labeled them a terrorist organization."

Immediately after that Olberman played a clip from Joe Biden saying "There is no evidence, none,ZERO, that this declaration caused any change in action on the part of the Iranian government".

[flpoljunkie]

19. Awesome! Thanks, elizm!

[mtnsnake]

22. "some changes in their behavior". Thanks, that's a lot different than what the OPer said

Thanks for the update.

[elizm]

24. Not so very different. nt

[mtnsnake]

55. Not so different my ass. I can't believe you proved youself wrong with your own later post. lol

[maddiejoan]

36. Does Biden have evidence that it hasn't had any effect?

Just curious here.

[calteacherguy]

52. You can't prove a negative. Your question has no basis in reason. nt

[maddiejoan]

63. Then Biden is--

--essentially slamming Hillary with no evidence?

That doesn't sound like something he would do.

[JackORoses]

72. no, he's slamming Hillary because there is no evidence. She's lying.

Get It?

[Renew Deal]

58. Iran gave it up in 2003. Kyl-Liemberman was passed September 2007

I'm not sure what other evidence is necessary.

[maddiejoan]

64. They gave up the Nuclear program in 2003

That's not what Hillary was referring to though.

[roguevalley]

68. oh brother. retroactive glory. what a ... I HATE THEM ALL!

[Silence Dogood]

9. I hate when people hear things and are unable to summarize..

My bf does the same thing and it makes me ill.

[Kucinich4America]

10. Hey Hillary? Can I borrow your time machine?

I'd love to pass a STUPID NAZI ASSED resolution and then go back in time 5 years to make sure it's enforced.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

54. Yup - Hillaryous

[Ecumenist]

12. Pardon the language I'm going to use... (esp. considering I'm female)

That Broad has lost her f*^(ing mind!! I have no respect for someone who cannot say that they made a mistake because they were lied to and jumped with both feet into a mess instead of trying to scrape up a half assed confirmation of her collusion in this mess. Why in the hell would want yet another idiot in office after 7 years of hell and pestilence who seems to be intent on confirming the impression that she flows with the wind?

[Cha]

49. hillary can't very well

say she voted on the kyl-lieman bill because mark penn told her it would make her look tough on national-homeland-security..and no one was expecting this report to come out by a bushite appointee, a one Michael McConnell. She got bushted again and she can't admit it..they must think the blowback would be worse than it is now.

[NOVA_Dem]

14. In all fairness she was talking about activities related to Iraq..

I was suprised that KO brought it up b/c he's been pretty pro Hillary up to this point but I guess he couldn't spin this. According to the clip he played, she claimed that her K/L vote has had a positive effect on Iran's activities in regard to their activities in Iraq. I didn't hear in the clip played by KO that her K/L vote had an effect on Iran's nuclear activities.

I still think she's trying to make the best out of a bad vote and this news came out at the WORST time for her (YEAH!).

[Windy]

26. In the NPR debate the other day she made the same claim with regard to the NIE

Biden and Edwards set her straight. And she was specifically referencing the amendment and her claim of improvement based upon the alleged pressure put on Iran with the KL amendment. She also said that the amendment declaring the Iranian Rev. Guard a terrorist organization was diplomacy. Edwards set her straight on that also. Too bad more people didn't listen to that debate.

[NOVA_Dem]

41. I wish I had listened b/c I didn't even know it was happening

until I saw the debate threads.

[Berry Cool]

43. He's NOT "pro-Hillary" and he doesn't "spin" anything.

That's why he didn't spin this.

[NOVA_Dem]

59. Up until this story KO has been in HRC's camp.

[polichick]

16. I saw it - what SPIN! nt

[MadBadger]

18. She mad this ridiculous assertion during the NPR debate

And Biden called her out on her bullshit

[K Gardner]

20. This was something she said yesterday on the NPR Debate.. if you listen to the

broadcast or read the transcript, it sounds really bad the first two or three sentences. Later into the statement, she tried to narrow her scope down to Iran providing arms/aid to Iraq, etc., but all in all, it made little sense. The vote was bad. I think she thought it would help her, in the end. Turns out, it is biting her, in the end.

[ClarkUSA]

31. Link here to NPR report and audio

Listen to Hillary in all her Clintonian vainglory BS:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3794174&mesg_id=3794174

[Cha]

50. We all wished she hadn't

of done it at the time..it was IWR deja vu all over again..like she didn't learn the first time. How many times ya gonna get fooled? Was it mark penn who keeps giving bad advice? The dlc dino?

[mtnsnake]

21. According to poster 17, what you said in your OP is nothing like what she really said

[elizm]

23. Umm..I'm poster 17 AND the original poster...and how is it any different??

Are you 'confused'??? You are really grasping at straws aren't you?

[Catch22Dem]

25. "I'm poster 17 AND the original poster"

:rofl: HAHAHAHA holy shit! That's a riot. I didn't even notice, but I'm about to fall out of my chair now.

[Colobo]

45. That's called an pwnage.

[mtnsnake]

56. Got any other brilliant predictions on who the next major Obama endorser will be? lmao

Who's gonna endorse him next time? The Pied Piper?

...talk about getting pwned.

:rofl:

[mtnsnake]

53. Exactly. That shows how far out of touch your OP was with your late edited one.

You're the one that's confused and you're the one who was grasping at straws when you posted your misleading un-orignal post.

[IndianaGreen]

27. Keith played the audio of Hillary repeating Bush's talking points about Iran (Hillary is a liar!)

And Joe Biden rightly pointed out, in another audio played by Keith, that there is no evidence that Kyl-Lieberman has had an effect in the battlefield. In essence, Biden called Hillary a liar!

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who took office as Iran’s president in August of 2005, two years after Iran’s nuclear weapons program ended, has now been vindicated in his claims that Iran has abandoned the weaponization program. Not so Bush, who has summarily dismissed the intelligence community’s findings and, using his favorite tactic in dealing with debacles, is sticking to his original story. A story, as in the case of the earlier Iraq threat inflation, that too many in the mass media and Congress, including some leading Democrats, have bought.

Take Hillary Clinton, who said that “Iran is seeking nuclear weapons, and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard is in the forefront of that” by way of defending her vote for a resolution that, like the one she voted for before the Iraq war, blindly supports rather than seriously questions the president’s case for war. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was absolutely correct in calling candidate Clinton out on that vote and challenging her lame excuse that she had not read the full intelligence report before her Iraq war vote. “Members of Congress,” Obama cautioned, “must carefully read the intelligence before giving the president any justification to use military force.”

Not a bad idea. In the case of Iraq’s non-nukes, the intelligence evidence supporting Bush was flimsy at best when it did not directly contradict his key assertions. In the case of Iran, it is now publicly understood that there is no such evidence, flimsy or otherwise. But don’t count on that to stop the bipartisan coalition of invasion hawks from pushing on.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/12/05/5617/

[Reno.Muse]

29. Modeling herself after the Chimp? That's priceless.

[IndianaGreen]

32. Hillary is a war hawk, like the neocons and the Israel Lobby

They all want American blood to be shed in yet another war in the Middle East.

[Cha]

51. Yeah, that went so

well for ..well, the chimp.

[David Zephyr]

30. Has she lost her mind? Major groan here.

Groan.

[IndianaGreen]

33. Hillary's positions on the war in Iraq, and the path to war on Iran, were never based on principle

but on opportunism and pandering to the worst elements in American and Israeli society.

Add to that the sad fact that Hillary is incapable to admit error, like Bush.

[David Zephyr]

39. I do feel sorry for her supporters on the Left as she has really put them in a bad spot.

I admire Hillary's supporters. I know that for many of them who have tried valiently to defend her vote for Kyle/Lieberman it has been a hard chore to do. I don't hold it against them that they've stuck with her, but this latest bombshell regarding Iran's non-existant nuclear weapons program that was dropped nearly four years ago makes her --- yet once again --- look foolish and opportunistic.

Gotta give Joe Lieberman credit: he sucked in a lot of feckless Democrats once again into his love of warmaking. When we take the Senate in 2008 by even a greater majority, Joe Lieberman needs to be stripped of all his positions of power within the Senate. Let him caucus with his real party, the Republicans. I no longer care for his power-posturing with his single swing vote of one.

[Beacool]

61. I for one am not "stuck with Hillary"

I'm proud to vote for her, not every Democrat is a raging liberal. Some of us are moderates who know that you can't govern this country from either end of the political spectrum. So, no one is "stuck" with a candidate. People vote for whoever best represents their beliefs.

[nealmhughes]

67. You reckon? Are there candidates who turn to the LCD instead of an ideology?

Soundbites over practice? That is why I can't stand Madame.

[jillan]

35. I got the feeling that Hillary just lost Keith's vote.

[IndianaGreen]

38. They lost Keith after Bill Clinton claimed he was against going to war on Iraq from the beginning

Keith has little patience for bullshit.

[Berry Cool]

44. Keith doesn't vote

so he had no vote to lose.

I don't suppose that will stop some people from insisting he's pro-Hillary, though. *sigh*

[williesgirl]

37. Yes, I saw it and almost puked. She's full of shit and a liar like *.

[Canuckistanian]

40. The Iranians have a Time Machine?

Wow, that seems to be a LOT more deadly than any nuclear weapon....

[suston96]

42. The IRG runs the nuclear program in Iran...

....and the missile program that delivers nukes also. The NIE says they don't have a nuclear weapons program?

And you folks didn't believe the NIE in 2003 before you believed in it in 2007?

So, what changed?

[Colobo]

46. I don't see any Hillary supporters spinning this...

Why?

[otohara]

48. I Noticed That Too

odd isn't it?

[suston96]

47. Got this from another poster

Joe Wilson:

"Last week, Hillary voted to support a non-binding resolution that designates the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization. As a former diplomat, I have had considerable experience in the use of such resolutions to bring pressure – diplomatic pressure – to bear on a regime to rein in rogue elements. And make no mistake about it, the Guards are not only in operational control of Iran's policy toward Iraq and Afghanistan, where Iranian supplied munitions are costing American lives; they are agents of reaction and repression inside Iran. While it is a fact that the Bush administration's duplicity should give all Americans pause, we cannot afford to lose sight of the fact that we have real enemies in the world, and that we must be prepared to exercise the appropriate levers of power in support of our interests."

http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=26340

All this bullshit here and by the other candidates against a brave stand by Hillary with this vote reflects the lack of insight by so many people based on another NIE report?

Like I said above: The NIE is to be trusted now in 2007 after its bullshit report in 2002?

[NOVA_Dem]

60. The same Joe Wilson that endorses HRC?

[Cameron27]

70. The same Joe Wilson

who publicly announced that the Niger yellowcake story was a fraud, the same Joe Wilson who had his and his wife's life destroyed by the neocons because of it.

[C_U_L8R]

57. making chicken salad

outta chickenhawk poop

[Major Hogwash]

62. Sounds soooo Clintonian to me. She says anything she says or does is the right thing to do.

She's beginning to sound like Leona Helmsley to me.

"I'm always right. The little people don't know what to do."

What an ignoramus!

[AtomicKitten]

66. I could not believe my ears.

I had not listened to the NPR debate yet when I saw this Countdown episode; I like to actually hear something before commenting and had thus not even read the prior discussion on this. My head almost exploded! I went back and listened to the debate, and I have to tell you Hillary sounded exactly like the hawks in the episode. Enough. I have had enough.

[Imagevision]

69. Obama nailed it months back when he stated that "Hillary would end up being Bushlite"...!

[Cameron27]

71. And yet he himself sponsored legislation

that designated the IRG a terrorist organization in April.

[Ediacara]

73. Olbermann didn't get the context of what she said in the NPR debate

Or is being dishonest. What she claimed was that Iranian support of militants in Iraq had lessened in the last few months. She did not at all make any connection between the recent vote and the 2003 nuke program halt.

[Cameron27]

74. Thank you,

it's so frustrating so see this being spun so far from the truth.

[Skidmore]

75. Positively Rovian rewrite of history.