How can the media give so much time to Obama when Biden is in the race?

[Ron Green]

It seems impossible that a man with such experience, intelligence, approachability and broad and ready knowledge has been eclipsed, at least on TV, by a man with such a brief time in public office. What's up with this? Is it just a "star power" thing?

edit for tpyo.

[gateley]

1. Money. nt

[AtomicKitten]

2. Probably because Obama's upward trend in polling is noteworthy. (nt)

[monmouth]

3. The younger generation are entrhalled with his speechifying, passion

and "the first black man" running for Prez. All good reasons, but he's got nothing on his record to indicate he's in any way prepared to take over as the leader of this country. Maybe ten years from now, but he's just too weak on experience. With some, it's a popularity contest instead of analysing what his skills actually are to be able to deal with foreign policies. That will be foremost in trying to get this nation back on its feet. Domestic issues are just as important, but I see nothing of any significance in his senate record to indicate he's ready for these issues either. Great guy, just not yet.

[1corona4u]

5. I agree with you...

and no offense to the Obama supporters, but I really don't think they understand the seriousness of the task at hand. Putting us back to where we should be in the world is going to require someone with more skills, connections, and experience than he has. We have to get this right the first time. This country is on the precipice of disaster. It's going to take an enormous understanding, and the right experience of what to do, right from the get-go.

[Big Blue Marble]

11. Obama is exactly who we need

to reestablish our ties with allies in this world. Our electing President Obama will show the world that we are a different place
than we have been for the last 7 years. We will regain much of the world's support that has been lost to us since 9-11.
The argument that he lacks experience is nothing more than a red herring. He is certainly smart enough to select America's
best and brightest to guide him much as JFK did two generations ago.

Of course Obama like all our candidates is flawed. But remember he has vision and in a world is changing as fast as the
one we live in is changing, vision trumps experience every time.

[1corona4u]

15. I strongly disagree.....

The more I hear OF him, the more I am convinced he's not ready, or right for the job. I'm really not even open to debating my opinion on the matter though. But I will say this. If he should go on to be the president, I will extend the life of my television, because I will turn it off until he is gone. Turn him off, just the way he has with this "baby boomer". His entire ideology, vision, etc. is centered around "the youth". He's not interested in getting my vote, and I am not interested in voting for him.

[Big Blue Marble]

26. For some reason that is personal to you

you have chosen to turn off Obama's message. Of course that is your choice.
As to the age thing, I willing to bet that I am older than you. And his message very
definitely speaks to me. Maybe because he is young with a new vision. The way
that John Kennedy spoke in the sixty race. We need new energy in our political system.

We need a leader that speaks to all of us who will bring us together as one nation.
This is Obama's vision and it is my vision. You say you are tired of hearing of him,
but have you actually heard him? Have you actually seen him speak in person? He
is far from perfect, but he is the best of the current candidates running because he
will bring a new era in politics and in government so badly needed in this country.

[1corona4u]

28. If you think he will bring this country together..

I think you are sadly mistaken. He's only interested in advancing HIS agenda. And, I don't need a leader who "speaks". I need a leader that DOES. Action. You honestly, don't display the attitude of a mature person. You look for "vision". I look for knowledge, connections, and experience. Joe has connections with every world leader. They all like him. Obama has ZERO connections. Except for those in Chicago and the Senate.

I have no desire to "hear him" in person. And, again, I disagree. He is not the "best candidate running". That's a pretty arrogant thing to say, and in reality, it's nothing more than your opinion.

I think there's a big smackdown coming for Obama...in a few short days...

[PatSeg]

37. Sorry, I don't think Obama is speaking to ALL of us

He gives incredible stump speeches, but when its over, I don't feel like he really said anything. It sounded really good though.

Meanwhile, I'm turned off by his dismissive attitude towards older voters. Combined with his lack of experience, that is enough for me not to want him in the WH. Maybe at a later time, but he's far from ready now.

[laugle]

45. Yeah....what is his thing with age? Last I heard he's

45 and that's considered middle aged?

I know he looks younger than 45, but he's hardly a "new" generation, or am I missing something.........frankly, I don't care about his age.........

[WheelWalker]

41. Message? MESSAGE? Messages are one way communications

if you haven't noticed. Hell, Morse code is a message. dot-dot-dash-dot. If it's message that moves you, you'll be scratching your head. You talk about vision? VISION? Experience is the lens that brings focus to vision. Experience shines light on the path. We don't need no stinking MESSAGE. We need Joseph Biden.

[youthere]

50. Big Blue Marble..

I like Obama..for a long time I was torn between supporting him and Biden...but Obama's inexperience is a concern to many voters, myself included. I believe in Obama's message and I believe that he could eventually bring us together as one nation (I'm so sick of this divided America we live in, and it sounds as though you are too). The reason I decided on Biden is because he has proven that he can work bipartisanly. He has the track record. He has respect among his colleagues on both sides of the aisle. Biden has the experience right now and is ready the day he is sworn in, Obama just doesn't. I like Obama, and he is still my second choice, and I would love to see a Biden/Obama ticket. I believe together they would bring in the "new era" that you speak of.
I admire Obama's passion, and his vision. It matches Biden's, and I believe the two are cut from the same cloth. Can you imagine what 16 years of Biden/Obama would do for this nation? I believe America craves the change you talk about, and these two men can create an America that can once again make us proud. Hope..I'd almost forgotten what it feels like.

[PatSeg]

57. I agree with you

I really need to see Obama in action for a few more years before I can be certain he is presidential material. His stump speeches are inspiring, but as I get older, I need more substance especially now.

[Think82]

86. Biden has already been DOING what Obama promises to do

ie: The Biden Iraq exit strategy. The Biden Crime Bill, The Violence Against Women's Act. etc....

[Steely_Dan]

18. I Can Appreciate Your Passion and...

reasonable minds can disagree.

I know many Biden supporters who would love to see a Biden/Obama ticket. I am one of them. Much of what you are saying can be accomplished concerning how the rest of the world sees us if Obama were to be the VP. Obama is an amazing young man who has the brightest of futures at the highest levels. However, we have to stop the bleeding and I believe that Biden offers our best hope to right this ship of state. You have and will hear over and over that Obama doesn't have the experience YET to address the serious foreign and domestic issues we face. There is a reason why you are hearing this again and again. It's because (IMO) it is true. This does not mean he is a bad person. It simply means that he lacks the necessary experience we need at this time in our history. I personally feel that he might rank among the best presidents in our history if and/or when he gains the experience we need.

I can see Biden straightening out our foreign relations issues and help us QUICKLY regain our reputation in the world. Obama, as the Vice President will gain considerable experience as the VP in preparation of taking the helm after Biden. There, he could address domestic issues picking up where he left off as VP. Hopefully by then, we will have gotten our act back together.

If he were to become President now, he would shine. After four or eight years under Biden, he would not only shine, he would shine with brilliance.

Just my take.

-Paige

[laugle]

44. It's great to talk of change, vision and hope; but it's

another thing to talk specifically about how we are going to get there!

We cannot afford another trainee, albeit a smart one, he would still be a trainee......and the stakes are just too high.

The next dem president will have some of the greatest challenges we have ever faced, IMO, BO is the least qualified out of all the candidates, to be president!

This vote will be crucial and people should choose a candidate they have confidence in to do the job!!

[Think82]

82. There's no "there" there with Obama, or at least less than Biden.

You seem to have selected Obama based on things that aren't really there. He wants "change" but that seems to mean missing votes and staying away from specifics. I like Obama, but the only candidate I'm hearing clear, pragmatic, visionary solutions is Joe Biden.

Biden has shown more leadership in the last few months than Obama has in his entire senate career.

BTW, who had the "vision" to come up with the only viable exit strategy for Iraq, based on federalism? Biden. Obama missed the vote on Biden's plan. Biden was the leader on this solution, and was able to bring repubs around to his vision.

In other words Biden is already DOING what Obama is promising.

[ginchinchili]

29. You're exactly right.

We have to get past the notion of supporting someone because we like them the best and put our country first. We have to choose who is best qualified to lead this country at this point in time and who we believe can win with some measure of certainty.

[laugle]

43. And don't forget, he is not the

first "black man," the Rev. Al Sharpton ran also. Not that it is too important............

[PatSeg]

74. And Jesse Jackson

[venable]

4. or when Edwards is in a statistical tie in the first caucus state?

[abq e streeter]

10. Who are these Edwards and Biden that you speak of?

I've been assured over and over from my many hours of watching network news, that there are only two people running for the Democratic nomination. I don't know about any of you, but as a loyal citizen, I believe whatever my Teevee tells me to.

[K Gardner]

68. LOL.. good one ! n/t

[PatSeg]

75. Just like a good citizen should!

Whatever you do, don't think. Just listen to the Telly........."we will tell you everything you need to know".

[bigdarryl]

6. PLEASE Biden gets loads of press

[jillan]

20. Not in terms of the election. When they want intelligent advice on world affairs - yes - Biden is

the first one they call.

They have yet to mention that he passed Richardson in Iowa.

[Life Long Dem]

7. I agree.

During debates they always refer to Biden as being right or they agree with him. It's like they are saying "Joe your the best" but there's this thing called the media. I thought - and there can still be one - there would be more of a surge for Biden after causing Bush to give up the 2003 report. I'd love to see a surge like one Huckabee had. I think Huckabee lost that edge but that's another story.

[Think82]

8. Same with Hillary. The media mostly report of polls and money,

which is based a lot on name recognition and celebrity.

[Occam Bandage]

9. Because Obama has support and "buzz." Which he gets through coverage. Which leads to support.

Biden has little support, which leads to little coverage, which leads to little support. It's difficult to break out of your "tier."

[Big Blue Marble]

12. Because Biden always has been all over the map over the years.

Remember last year when he was a main sponsor for the bankruptcy bill.
He was working hard for the banks as I remember.

I personally will never forget or forgive Biden for his behavior in the Anita Hill
hearings. He was shameful in his treatment of Ms Hill. He played a significant
roll in allowing Thomas on the court. Think how different this country would
be if we did not have Justice Thomas... maybe we would not have George Bush
either.

Then there was the plagiarism.

[Ron Green]

14. These are the reasons why the media are ignoring him?

Because he's been "all over the map?"

[ginchinchili]

31. Someone should point out to you that the news media is supposed to remain indifferent.

Of course the Bush presidency is Joe Biden's fault. You just shot any thread of credibility you might have had in the proverbial foot. Joe Biden is a smart, ethical man and simply the best qualified candidate to lead our country. Frankly, I can't think of anyone more qualified than Sen. Biden.

[youthere]

51. Just to clarify..

Biden was cleared of the plagiarism, and he did not sponsor the bankruptcy bill. He voted Yes on it but was not a sponsor.

[geek tragedy]

13. Two words: Bankruptcy Bill.

Three more words: Iraq War Resolution.

[Tejanocrat]

16. While I personally don't support Biden because of the bankruptcy bill, I don't think the MSM ignores

him for that reason.

I think the MSM has simply concluded that Biden doesn't have a whisper of a chance.

If Biden finishes ahead of Hillary in Iowa, he'll get a flurry of press. If he doesn't, we won't.

The reason Biden has to finish ahead of Hillary is that (1) if Hillary wins Iowa the story is "it's over," (2) if Edwards or Obama beat Hillary and the other doesn't, the story is "it's down to _ vs. Hillary," (3) if Edwards and Obama both beat Hillary and she comes in 3rd, the story is "Edward and Obama Win and Go on to New Hampshire, Can Hillary Come Back or is She Done," but ...

(4) if Biden finishes ahead of Hillary the story is "Biden Shocks Iowa, Can Hillary Recover or is She Done."

Biden coming in 4th isn't news and won't be covered, and even if Biden comes in 3rd, it won't be news if Hillary wins or if the race is narrowed to a two-way race.

[gateley]

66. I agree - well put. nt

[MonkeyFunk]

17. They don't give attention to candidates

because they like them. Nor they not give attention to candidates they dislike.

They give attention to candidates who are doing something noteworthy. Obama is doing well in the polls, raising a bunch of money, and drawing crowds. Biden isn't.

[Cameron27]

22. I'd agree with you,

except for Chris Matthews. His show is one big Obama promo lately, although he does seem to like Joe a lot. The problem is, he usually never mentions him.

[MonkeyFunk]

24. Meh

this is the problem: people here think shows like Hardball matter. Hardball averages about half a million viewers, mostly political junkies. And Matthews switches his obsessions with the winds.

Today Obama's getting attention because of the Oprah thing.

[1corona4u]

25. I agree..I have been turning the volume down...

I get sick of hearing the same name over, and over, and over..no matter who it is really, but sheesh...you'd think there was nothing else to talk about..

[laugle]

46. That's because Mathews is a right wing tool, and the

RW machine would love to eat BO for breakfast, hell...even Karl Rove is giving advice to BO.

Their chomping at the bit to get him elected because they are scared shitless of the Clinton's!!

[jillan]

19. I think the media just loves this first woman vs first african-american thing

Just like they love the Mormon vs the Baptist minister thing vs the man who cheated on his wife and had the city pay for it.

They love the story, the glamour, the glitz, the ratings.

They would rather talk about Oprah, then the fact that Musharraf and Olmert call Biden to ask for advice.

And when the wrong person gets the nomination - oh well! Hope y'all like Rudy.

[1corona4u]

21. You said it all...exactly dead on.

[Steely_Dan]

23. Perfectly Stated n/t

[ginchinchili]

27. This is what has become of America: our irresistable allure of shiny objects.

Our country has become so superficial and trivial that it affects all aspects of American life. It's not just the media, it's just that the media mirrors what our culture has become and they happen to have more influence than other entities, except maybe our parents, who are also influenced by the media.

Every election cycle seems to get uglier and more discouraging. If we were wiser like past American generations Joe Biden would be a shoe-in; there'd be no contest. He's extremely smart, quick on his feet, has a wealth of useful experience, and would clean up in a general election. Republicans wouldn't have a chance. But the news media can't get over the possibility of the first woman or the first African American winning the nomination, so they push it. Several months ago I even heard a journalist on the radio say that it was too good of a story to pass up. We've got our priorities turn upside down. Look what we've done to religion, for example. It's anything but what it's supposed to be. Some of these mega-churches I see going up I think are hideous, when viewed against a backdrop of millions going without food, clothing and shelter.

Here we are engaged in 2 wars, our country is on the verge of bankruptcy, we can't afford our own health care, we've allowed our education to slip below a majority of industrialized nations, and one of the Democrats' front runners' only "foreign policy" experience was when he lived overseas from age 4 to 10, but because he's smart and likable we're ready to make him president. That's just not good enough. Hillary is strongly disliked by at least half the country and Democrats think "yeah, but she's a Clinton." I'm sorry folks, but this doesn't reflect deep, analytical thinking on our part, that is, we're not objectively thinking about what is truly best for our country. Our country. That's what this is all about. It's about our country.

[1corona4u]

30. Exactly...very disturbing...

I'll be glad when I am dead and gone, so the "kids" can change the world to whateverthefuck they want....

[Mark Twain Girl]

32. Very well put -- wish I could rec this post. It's American idol culture, like we're playing at a

reality show. And perhaps that's what we've turned our system of governance into, an increasingly cheapened and superficial political version of Survivor. I can't listen to MSM coverage anymore -- the fluffy drivel and drive-by snark is unbelievable. Heck, I can't even take the requisite mock-Bush rants anymore... we're so far past that, the light from it would take a million years to reach us. In any case, good comments.

[PatSeg]

34. Well said

Our elections have turned into American Idol and that is a reflection on our society as well as the media. Too many people will vote against their best interests, yet again.

[K Gardner]

69. ^5, cha ching ! Nail on the head. Bravo. We'd rather have blingbling than substance. n/t

[PatSeg]

76. Our candidates are commodities

and are sold to us the same way they sell cars. As a result we often end up with a "lemon".

[Edgeoforever]

33. To some, it seems Biden gets an inordinate amount of coverage for his poll standing

I can think of candidates right on issues more often than him - Kucinich, Gravel...I guess it all depends where you stand.

[zulchzulu]

35. Perhaps when your poll numbers are less than 5% and your money is a tenth of Obama's

That should be your first hint.

[beaconess]

81. How interesting

For more than 230 years, African Americans and women were essentially disqualified from seeking the presidency while white males, regardless how mediocre, had a free ride and full opportunity to run. Now, for the first time in history, a black man and a woman are breaking through the glass ceiling, being taken seriously as candidates, and, in fact, are in first and second place in virtually every poll. And now we suddenly hear lamenting from various corners that the white male candidates aren't being treated fairly because the black guy and the woman are getting too much attention.

BTW - Biden ran in 1988 in a virtually all-white field (Jesse Jackson was in the race) and he didn't do too well then, either.

[faithfulcitizen]

36. Duh...because he's cuter.

:think: :)

[Colobo]

38. Obama is in a close 2nd place in the Dem race

and has lots of money. Biden is like 4th or 5th, and has very little $$$.

[1corona4u]

47. That's not REASON TO vote for someone...

Sheese...if that's your logic, Hillary has raised more money than Obama, so by that standard, she deserves to win, and more people "like her"...see.........flawed logic.

Hillary;

Total Receipts: $90,935,788
Total Spent: $40,472,775
Cash on Hand: $50,463,013
Debts: $2,347,486
Date of last report: September 30, 2007


Obama;

Total Receipts: $80,256,427
Total Spent: $44,169,236
Cash on Hand: $36,087,191
Debts: $1,409,740
Date of last report: September 30, 2007



Jeez...the arrogance of the Obama supporters is simply mind boggling. I can't even imagine what life would be like if he gets elected. One big reality show I guess.

[WheelWalker]

39. Because they need a "campaign" to cover. Let's face it, if they gave Joe

Biden equal time, it would be a runaway. No horserace = no ratings. Joe's gonna have to do it the old fashioned way. He's gonna earn it.

[youthere]

62. The big news will be the Biden upset.

[PatSeg]

77. That will make the media happy

Another "who would have ever thought" story - like its never happened before!

[Stop Cornyn]

40. I think the media cover the campaigns who they expect to win. Fairly or not they expect a Biden loss

Tge better question is why is Biden so far behind in fund-raising? I wouldn't expect Biden to raise funds like Obama, Hillary, or Edwards, but why is Biden so far behind Dodd and Richardson?

[1corona4u]

48. Uhm...because it's a fricken game?

Why is Biden beating both of them in Iowa then? I mean, if money talks, and bullshit walks, Joe should be dead last, right?

[TwilightGardener]

42. People like a fresh face. I'm not taking anything away from either

Biden or Obama by saying that. Fortunately, Obama is more than just a fresh face--he's a force to be reckoned with, charisma-wise, and has the background, intelligence, integrity, and good judgment to be President. I am even more impressed with him now than I was last winter when he kicked off his campaign. Sometimes certain people just have the ambition and talent to cut to the front of the line instead of waiting their turn, and that's the way it goes--maybe not fair to long-serving Senators like Joe, who certainly deserves respect and more attention, but politics is a tough business.

[1corona4u]

49. AHAHAHAHAHA hahahahaha....

Obama, a force to be reckoned with...hate to tell you but, his "charisma" doesn't appeal to everyone. I'm so unimpressed. But then I've been around long enough to see it all, hear it all, sort the chaff from the grain. So I am far less likely to be naive with such important matters, as choosing who will put this country back to where it needs to be. I'm a very good judge of character by the way, and more often than not, I spot the fakes right away. And Obama is a fake. Just ask my best friend, who has spent the last 5 years dating men that I told her from the get-go were bad, to which she ignored. Only to have her heart broken over, and over. Now, she listens to me. Finally.

Nothing you even mentioned in your post has ANY valid substance required for repairing this crisis the country will be facing when the next president takes over. Someone else will be the puppet master in an Obama presidency, because he has no clue what he would be in for, or what to do. None.

I can't talk about Obama anymore, ever. My disdain for him, and his "agenda" grows with each letter I type.

[TwilightGardener]

54. Well, you seem to really just personally dislike Obama, and there's no reasoning

with that. I think your attitude towards him is irrational and not based in fact, but...oh well.

[1corona4u]

55. See, that's the trouble with some Obama supporters...

they wouldn't know the facts if they hit them over the head......you all seem to think he is God. I don't. Probably because I'm not drinking his swill....

[TwilightGardener]

58. There's no need to get personal or fling insults. I don't think he is God.

Just a better choice than Joe.

[PatSeg]

60. And you should support the candidate that you think is the

best choice. Discussions shouldn't get personal, but sometimes people get carried away.

:toast:

[TwilightGardener]

63. Yep, it's coming down to the wire now, and everyone's getting tense...

:toast:

[PatSeg]

67. Yeah, a "wee" bit!

:crazy: Hopefully the casualties will be minimal.

[1corona4u]

65. For YOU, and in your opinion...he's a better choice...

you state your opinion as if it's a fact. It is not. It's your opinion. I made a general statement about Obama's supporters, from my observations of what they post daily on this board. There was nothing "personal" whatsoever about it. I didn't even say YOU, or your name.

This reply was a personal message, to you.

[PatSeg]

59. People do like a "fresh face"

and as strange as it might seem, Biden is a "fresh face" to many Americans. Political junkies may be very familiar with him, but many voters have never head of him.

At a different time in history, I might seriously consider Obama, but right now I view the prospect as too much of a gamble.

[blm]

52. I'm seeing alot of crossover respect for BOTH Obama and Biden. Biden won last 3 debates

by any objective standard, and I think he will rise more.

Edwards hasn't had great debates, but he has made a few on-target speeches recently.

[rucky]

53. It's all about the polls. n/t

[laureloak]

56. Because the corp media thinks they can beat Obama.

All the hype behind Hillary and Obama is because the corporations are trying to convince us that one of those two is the Dem candidate.

Wrong. Edwards will be our candidate.

[Tactical Progressive]

61. Because they think that Obama has a chance at stopping Hillary

The one thing that the right wing, and by extension their propaganda arm the 'mainstream' media, are terrified of is a Hillary Clinton Presidency. She'll do what Bill Clinton did to the Publican establishment only harder, and they won't be able to go on 20-year old crotch-sniffing 'Constitutional' investigations to stop her.

She'll be Bill Clinton times three; focused and smart and highly effective. And not working against the ugly politics of a right-wing run by Newt Gingrich and Tom Delay and Dick Armey and the rest of the Contract on America thugs. It will be the tough Clinton working with a Democratic Congress and the full support of a people finally sick of that whole ideology thanks to Bush W and Cheney.

They're hoping, and helping Obama in any way they can, to the point of it being embarrassing. They're already back, as I said they would be in a flash, from the eyes-down, obedient lapdogs they've been for the last seven years, to the snide, nasty, dishonest attackers they were against Al Gore in 2000. Watch any cable talk show as they discuss Hillary. It's like Al Gore all over again. They don't want Hillary and they think Obama might just be their ticket.

He's so inexperienced and so without skillz, and in my strong opinion so without integrity as well, that the media intuitively knows that Obama is a smooth-talking weakling. The opposite of Hillary, which is everything they want.

If Biden were in range of catching Hillary and not Obama, they'd be pushing Joe as hard as they're doing Barack.

[laugle]

96. Wow....what a great analysis!

Just yesterday I was thinking about the comparison of Al Gore to Hillary in reference to the MSM attention; I concluded that with Al Gore and Hillary the bar has been set very high, and with BO it has been set very low...........just like they did with Bush.

You are dead on with your analysis, and what do you think about Karl Rove giving BO advice on how to beat Hillary? Is that just sooooooo obvious? I guess that's Rove's new job, since he knows the rethugs are going to lose big!!

[Skittles]

64. Obama simply does not impress me

I don't understand how he was thrust upon us as a major player and it is a disgrace the amount of coverage he and Hillary receive to the exclusion of other candidates

[Ron Green]

70. I know what you mean. It's almost as if he's a "progressive" version of GWB.

A relative newcomer, picked for a certain look and sound, but with no "there" there. Other than the "black candidate" and "woman candidate" angle, what the hell are we being sold?

[Skittles]

71. not sure I'd go that far

bush was picked solely for his name - his angle was, he was the idiot son of a former president and useful as Rove and Cheney's puppet. Here in Texas I remember bush supporters admitting GWB was a bit of a twit but that he would "surround himself with good people." I believe Obama and Hillary are both intelligent and talented and certainly more qualified than any of the asshole repukes running - they simply are not the best we can do.

[1corona4u]

72. Nah...people said he had charisma too...

"And Bush's better image is linked to the public's better evaluations of him on a personal level. Bush out-polls Gore on a whole series of personal qualities. The public sees Bush as more charismatic, funnier, and more interesting -- with charisma being the big one. He is also seen as having led a more interesting life, for whatever that is worth."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=18338


Sound familiar?

[Skittles]

97. but bush is dumber than a bag of hammers

I can't see a comparison at ALL to Obama. If Obama gets the nod I would support him - I would not have supported bush if you put a GUN to my head

[Ron Green]

98. My comparison is in the packaging, and the fact that he's really come from out of nowhere.

He's a pretty fair orator, but so what? There are many people who can speak as well. I just can't see any substance to this guy.

I KNEW there was no substance to Bush, the first time I met him... before he was governor. I left the state when they put him in.

[Skittles]

99. aw you know what?

the reason I don't see it is because bush did not come out of nowhere for me - that twit was my f***ing govenor for six years before they installed his incompetent ass into the White House :o

[PatSeg]

73. I agree

Obama is actually intelligent and can speak in complete sentences. However, as you say "not the best we can do".

[sampsonblk]

78. Biden's old news

Whoever was going to be inspired by Joe Biden probably already is. The guy's been around forever. Nothing new there.

[Think82]

80. Wrong! I'm 25 and Biden's inspired me more than any candidate ever.

[PatSeg]

84. Younger voters weren't watching the Sunday talk shows

for years. To them Biden IS a new voice and he connects with all ages.

[1corona4u]

88. Smart. Very smart.

:-)

[Think82]

91. I like to think so.

:)

[PatSeg]

83. There are a lot of voters who don't know who Biden is

He is old news to political junkies, but he is new to many people.

[1corona4u]

87. Well, I'm an old political junkie...

and he's still like a breath of fresh air to me. ;-) Never gets old..

[PatSeg]

90. No he doesn't to me either

He keeps his message fresh and informative. Its been a long time since I've seen someone so genuine.

[sampsonblk]

94. Now is not the time to learn about the candidates.

The time to learn about the candidates and what they believe in is way before the campaign season starts. These guys all have track records. And that's the absolute best way to know who they are and what they stand for. If you wait till the campaign starts to learn who is who, then you already lost. Because then they become someone completely new, and after election day, they go back to being themselves.

Everything we see now is just a show.

(end rant)

[1corona4u]

95. I would have to agree with at least part of that....

with Joe being the exception to your last comment. With Joe, what you see, is what you get. It always has been. Those of us who have watched him for years, like at least 15 for me, see no change in his ideology, politics, or his character. Read; honesty. He's the real deal.

[adapa]

85. So...someone has to be NEW to be good?

[PatSeg]

89. Apparently

People are searching for the next JFK or RFK. With the situation we are in now, I think we need someone who has been road-tested.

[adapa]

93. new means inexperenced, so much for the first 100 days

If Obama wins.
I'd much rather have someone who could get things done, like heathcare & energy & Iraq & while they're at it maybe get the taliban out of Afghanistan.

[avrdream]

79. Probably.

I haven't figured it out myself - Joe is miles ahead in those categories.

[leaninglib]

92. As a Biden supporter, I have been wondering about that myself.

And my conclusion (as usual) is that the sheeple don't have a clue.

[Blue_In_AK]

100. It's sickening to me

that the media only covers Clinton and Obama -- and very rarely John Edwards -- when there are other, better candidates such as Joe Biden. It's all so scripted and predetermined. I hope and pray that there will be serious surprises coming out of the early states, but I'm not too optimistic.

It galls me that a relative handful of people in nonrepresentative states like Iowa and New Hampshire (no offense to you guys, but, really...) get to determine who my candidate is going to be. I will be participating in Alaska's caucus on February 5th, but I'm not sure why, for all the good it will do.