Obama would come closer than Hillary to Universal Health Care

[antiimperialist]

In a Clinton presidency, citizens of countries who did nothing to us might be bombed, or continue to be bombed. Many of these citizens will die, and the survivors will fight back and shoot at our soldiers, maiming them and killing them. The cost of caring for them the rest of their lives will be big.

You might ask, "huh? This is foreign policy, not health policy. But It's been proven that being blown up by an IED, missile or gunfire is hazardous to a person's health. Very hazardous. Obama has shown willingness to talk even with dictators in order to avoid wars. He also called the Iraq war "stupid" at a time when most politicians, even most Americans supported this senseless war.

If you care about citizens of the world as much as you care for Americans, then Obama is your health care candidate.

War too is a health care issue.

(note: Edwards would be a good choice too. Just don't vote for Hillary.)

Thanks.

[Kucinich4America]

1. Dennis Kucinich beats either one on health care.

Why worry about who "comes closer"??

You want universal health care? Vote for the candidate who will deliver.

"Health care in the US is too expensive and leaves 46 million Americans without insurance and millions more underinsured. Dennis Kucinich is the only candidate for President with a plan for a Universal, Single-Payer, Not-for-Profit health care system.

America's patchwork of for-profit, private insurers waste billions of dollars on spending that has nothing to do with paying for care. Elaborate underwriting, billing, sales and marketing divert huge amounts of money away from delivering health care. Huge profits and staggering compensation for the insurance companies' top executives and CEO's.

To cope with the endless bureaucracy of private insurers, health care providers maintain huge administrative staffs. The administration of the health care system today consumes approximately 31% of the money spent for health care. The potential savings, as much as $350 billion per year, are enough to provide comprehensive coverage to every American without paying any more than we already do.

In Congress, Representative Dennis Kucinich has co-authored HR 676, legislation which would establish Medicare for All - a universal, single-payer, not-for-profit health care system that leaves no American behind."

http://www.dennis4president.com/go/issues/a-healthy-nation/

[LWolf]

15. Exactly. Why waste time and breath arguing for

something that isn't really "close" at all, when you could have the real thing?

[Froward69]

36. I agree DK's plan is much better than

hillarys or Obamas. One everyone overlooks is Joe Bidens plan. it is on the same plain as DK's. Both DK and Joe Bidens plan are for removing profit from Health care. But I think Joe's more so than DK's is workable.

[madrchsod]

2. what about dennis?

dennis`s plan is the only one that makes sense.oh i forgot he`s a progressive.

[Lerkfish]

5. I like his plan the best

its the closest to a sane approach.

all the other plans put even more money in the wrong pockets and penalize the poor.

[mitchtv]

3. Sorry, I don't trust Obama

He seems awfully anxious to compromise with the pukes. We've had enough of that. I lean toward Edwards, but could vote for Biden or Dennis in a heartbeat. I don't like Edwards'negative tack. He better win Iowa, he's been living there for a long time

[Lerkfish]

4. ya know, I don't understand how we are the only major

industrialized country on the planet WITHOUT socialized medicine or universal health care.
It obviously can be done.
Except for maybe Kucinich, none of the candidates approach even a pale imitation of working systems in other countries.

Are other countries smarter than us? richer than us?


nope.

[Bitwit1234]

6. Obama HAD NO HEALTH PLAN BUT PIECED TOGETHER

PARTS from the other candidates. He has no plans about anything except bombing Iran. Oh yes. Trying to win the senate race in 2004 he jumped on the bomb Iran band wagon. But late he changed. Course he always goes along with what's popular at that moment.

The article was at the Chicago Tribune.

[Lerkfish]

7. Clinton HAD NO HEALTH PLAN BUT PIECED TOGETHER

PARTS from the other candidates. She has no plans about anything except bombing Iran. Oh yes. Trying to win the senate race in 2004 she jumped on the bomb Iran band wagon. But late she changed. Course she always goes along with what's popular at that moment.


heh.

[Renew Deal]

10. Actually, Hillary pieced together the demands of the insurance companies

She didn't get all that money for nothing.

[Lerkfish]

19. too true. nt

[sniffa]

21. and it's fucking sickening

:puke:

[cuke]

27. So it was the insurance companies who want to

1) Prohibit the denial of coverage or claims due to pre-existing conditions

2) Cover services like preventive care and care for chronic conditions?

3) Make their insurance portable when someone loses their job?

4) Offer every individual the right to buy insurance from the govt?

5) Limit premiums to a percentage of income?

[sniffa]

29. And another Obama supporter who can't defend Obama

[cuke]

37. I have yet to see you post anything substantive

in your own words. All you have is snark

[Hieronymus]

8. And Edwards' is the best of the three.

[Maven]

9. This is a joke, right?

I wasn't sure, because it's not funny.

[Perry Logan]

11. I promise you I won't vote for Obama.

If they can do it, I can do it.

[Evergreen Emerald]

12. You are using lies and distortions your premise is simply not true

Clinton has come out against the war repeatedly. She and Obama and Edwards and Biden and Dodd have the SAME PLAN.

Good God. How many people here just spew the propaganda without thinking? No wonder this country is in such trouble.

[antiimperialist]

17. Her actions have told a different story

She voted for the blank check for war in Iraq, and
recently voted to brand the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization. Why didn't she sponsor a bill labeling Blackwater officials terrorists?

[Evergreen Emerald]

20. Every other candidate, save Kucinich voted for Iraq funding.

Obama and Edwards agreed with her regarding naming the Iranian guard a terrorist organization. Kyle-L: Obama did not even have the guts to make a choice--so he could later sway with the wind. He has said in the past that they were a terrorist organization.

And for god's sakes, they are into Iraq stirring up trouble and helping to kill our soldiers. They are terrorists.

Blackwater: really, lets raise this to an appropriate level of discussion.

[cuke]

39. Please don't confuse them with facts

The facts have a pro-Clinton bias

[wyldwolf]

13. your silly theory fails.

Even if your belief that Hillary would lead us to more wars than Obama is true, more than 15 million Americans would have to be killed in that war to make up for the 15 million + American's Obama's health care sham doesn't cover.

That's considerably more than the deaths in every war American lives have been lost in combined!

You obviously didn't think this through.

[Progress And Change]

14. ouch!

:toast:

[sniffa]

22. And another Obama supporter who can't defend Obama

[Forkboy]

23. LMAO

You're killin' me! :)

[sniffa]

26. thank you, thank you

I'll be here all week. :hi:

[cuke]

28. And more denial

They got nothing but snark, from posters who do little else

[bvar22]

16. Neither Obama nor Hillary have "HealthCare" Plans.

They have Private (For Profit) Health Insurance Plans.

BIG difference.

Each will reward those who are giving them $MONEY$.
Both will divert $Millions of taxpayer dollars into the pockets of the RICHEST CEOs in the WORLD.


No Thanks.

Single Payer is cheaper, and is a REAL Universal HealthCare Plan.

Why settle for less?

Subsidizing the HUGE Insurance/HMOs is the WRONG direction.
Subsidizing and Codifying these entrenched industries will make it HARDER to achieve REAL Universal HealthCare.


Arguing that Obama is "closer to Universal Healthcare" is like saying that Ken Lay is closer to Jesus than Jack Abramoff.


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[AtomicKitten]

18. Kucinich has the only real solution but Obama promises healthcare by the end of his 1st term.

[Progress And Change]

30. this is not a time for "hope", "promise", and "dope"

We have several candidates offering universal health care; Obama is not one of them.

[AtomicKitten]

31. Kucinich's plan stands apart, but he can't win the nomination.

The healthcare plans of the rest of the candidates are very similar. Hillary had her shot in the 1990s and failed, unfortunately Edwards has taken matching funds and can't compete in the GE, so say hello to President Obama. It's happening as we speak.

[Progress And Change]

32. clinton and edwards both have universal plans, unlike obama

[AtomicKitten]

33. make an effort to inform yourself if you intend to wag your finger

... the whole thing falls flat when you try to argue something that is not only not true but simply ridiculous

[Progress And Change]

34. i am informed. that is why i did not join the obama bandwagon...

[MethuenProgressive]

24. Obama's "Universal" Health Care claim rated "Barely True" by Congressional Quarterly

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/210/
"So is it fair for Obama to call his plan “universal”? Well, not really. Even if you buy his argument that his plan will create the market conditions to make health care universally available, nothing in his plan guarantees it. We rate his claim Barely True."

[cuke]

25. Obama can't decide if his plan is universal

He is running a commercial saying his plan IS universal, but here it's being argued that his plan is "more universal" than Clinton's.

Sounds like Obama's plan is a "little pregnant"

[Lord Helmet]

35. Of the two Obama's plan is better.

I just wrote a paper on this. Kucinich is #1 and then Obama and Edwards. Hillary's plan is really a mess.

[cuke]

38. WOW!!! A paper? A whole paper?

I'm impressed. What grade did your teacher give you?

And I'm sure your paper is memorable. So memorable you can't seem to remember any of the details, even though you wrote it