I THINK, Pelosi should step down.

[Brundle_Fly]

I thought "Impeachment is off the table" might have been an actual strategy, but it looks to me, and probably lots of you, it sure looks like an attempt to cover her own ass and just good old DC political bullshit.

Give me someone with a whiff of credibility, PLEASE!

*grabs head and wonders where the hell he is*

:mad:

edit to add "I think"

[ixion]

1. if she knew about it, yes, she should step down

and be indicted on war crimes charges with the rest of them. It's the only way we're going to restore our international standing.

[Brundle_Fly]

2. San Francisco Values my ass.

:P

[rodeodance]

3. the gang of eight is sw0rn to secretcy

[liberalmuse]

11. Kind of like the Hitler death camp secret?

I guess if you're sworn to secrecy, it's okay to do nothing while your government breaks International law and tortures people, even if you're in the position to do something.

[Harper_is_Bush]

24. What if she's legally bound to keep the knowledge secret?

then what?

[ixion]

27. it doesn't matter

because torture is a violation of the Geneva Conventions, which trumps the DOJ mafia.

[Kolesar]

31. it?

[Harper_is_Bush]

32. the waterboarding.

[Kolesar]

33. "the waterboarding"?

[ixion]

35. yes... what part of 'waterboarding' don't you understand

or are you just being obnoxious?

[Kolesar]

37. who did she waterboard?

[Harper_is_Bush]

40. go back, start over

you're misunderstanding things here.

cheers.

[ixion]

43. she signed the cheque, and she is in a position of leadership, and she knew about it

so just because she wasn't holding the hose, as it were, doesn't me she's not accountable.

[ixion]

34. it = torture

[Kolesar]

36. Ok. Now let's try "credibility"?

[Kolesar]

39. here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3814614&mesg_id=3815108

[Hieronymus]

4. I had great hopes for Pelosi ... no more. I told her office as much.

[liberalmuse]

12. I sent off a letter today.

I'm so incensed about this. This is one of those situations where I'm likely to get into trouble on DU. There is simply no defense for her actions, or rather, inaction.

[Buzz Clik]

5. Thanks for this. I think we need a "Pelosi should step down" thread every hour.

[Brundle_Fly]

8. so you'd support someone

who approves of the U.S. utilizing torture? Especially the DEMOCRATIC leader?

Sorry if this is a dupe, but I am obviously quite concerned here.

I will wait until she comments on the matter, but if its just more double speak, my thoughts stand.

[K Gardner]

6. I agree. n/t

[goldcanyonaz]

7. Who would replace her?

I don't see the Dem's impeaching Bush.

[Brundle_Fly]

18. Two Words....

Dennis Kucinich

[Kolesar]

30. too presidential

[liberalmuse]

9. Careful...

You may be accused of being a wingnut for even suggesting such a thing here. Didn't you know that the WA Post article is a smoke and mirrors tactic to distract from the destroyed CIA waterboarding tapes? It doesn't matter that Pelosi DID know about and enthusiastically support waterboarding and other rough interrogation techniques when they were proposed in 2002. It doesn't even matter that Pelosi's office has admitted she was fully briefed on the techniques that were going to be used on "the terrorists". It doesn't even matter that she did absolutely nothing while our government sunk into the abyss shared by the likes of Hitler and Stalin. After all, it was a a national security secret and some schmuck lawyers (Gonzales) had said it was okay, so their asses were all covered. No, it's better to distract yourself by the possibility that this was probably leaked by some right winger wanting to take the heat off the Bush administration by spreading the blame around, and forget about the disturbing implications of what was actually leaked. Shhhhhhh.

[Brundle_Fly]

10. oh the whole thing is a political clusterf*ck

I am not a wingnut, I am just completely dismayed.

I have no doubt the right wing is behind the release, I just don't like hearing about it from the people I strive to support.
I will bet back to the business of tearing down the Right Wing once my anger abates.

[liberalmuse]

13. I was being facetious, really.

I agree with you completely. I know the right wing orchestrated the article, but that doesn't take away from the fact that I'm extremely dismayed that Pelosi knew and essentially signed off on Bush's torture policy. I'm disgusted that I now have an idea why she has been so unwilling to do her job and impeach Bush/Cheney. This is pretty much a disaster for anyone who had hoped that the new Democratic leadership would act as some sort of check on Bush's insanity. Fat chance. I believed in the woman once, when I stood in SF and heard her give a speech at the May 2001 protest against the USSC installing Bush, but god how she has disappointed in the years since then.

[Brundle_Fly]

17. sorry I am quite reactionary about the wingnut thing.

Turd blossom is out too!

:dunce:

[grasswire]

14. some of us believe in the Rule of Law and the rules of evidence...

...and due process. I really fear people like you who are willing to believe known propagandists over our duly elected Democrats, in the most serious of accusations. People like you are just the kind of citizen that dissidents should fear -- the kind that falls for the agitprop.

[Brundle_Fly]

16. People like you are just the kind of citizen that dissidents should fear

wtf?

[grasswire]

20. what other response is appropriate...

...for those who eagerly accept unsourced reports and propaganda launched against our duly elected representatives?

Republicans are waging the most insidious kind of war against democracy, carried out too often by members of the press. And the CIA is waging its own war. We can't allow Democrats to be naive or duped. Those who exhibit this kind of behavior need a wakeup.

And if you think the fall of our democracy won't affect you in Canada...........think again.

[grasswire]

21. dupe post, sorry

[ixion]

41. Pelosi had no comment

why would that be? If she didn't know anything about it, why not say so?

[L. Coyote]

46. Yes, and we call ourselves Democrats. And, we are the majority, the People's choice.

Get used to it! And take your conspiracy theories to Naderdom, or wherever delusion dictates.

The only thing worse than Bush's paranoid politics is the politics of delusion. There are valid reasons for fear. Delusion is just that!

[L. Coyote]

47. This is BULLSHIT: "Pelosi DID know about and enthusiastically support waterboarding "

Plain and simple Bushco confabulation, nothing more. Your post is a string of falsehoods. How are you any different than the Liar-in-Chief if you say whatever suits you, with no basis in fact?

[frogmarch]

15. I'm aghast

and am waiting for an explanation from Pelosi - but at this moment my opinion is that she should step down.

I feel as if I'm living in the movie, The Body Snatchers. What's happened to our Dems?

[bonito]

19. I think a third party should step up

And away from the $ DLC NEOCONS $ allowing the unvented support from the citizens that has been manipulated away by Israel war hawks and their greedy war profiteer's here.

[Occam Bandage]

22. I THINK, she shouldn't.

[bonito]

23. Dupe

[rhett o rick]

25. Why do we keep having these posts about Nancy stepping down? Do you really think she would?

If you really believe that she isn't representing Democratic values, then what the hell are you doing about it? If the answer is, you're waiting for her to step down, then you are getting the representation you deserve. Maybe you should send her an angry email. That should make you feel good. But the truth is that Nancy is a untouchable incumbent. Revered by the Democratic Party and there ain't nothing you can do about it except write posts about how she should step down. She is as likely to step down and Georgie is.

I am not angry with you, but the system that makes incumbents in our party untouchable. Keep writing your posts and emails but please go a step farther. Join, if you haven't already, your local Democratic party and go to the meetings and influence at that level.

NGU

[creeksneakers2]

26. She should explain all this

If she allowed torture she should step down as party leader.

[mtnsnake]

28. Not only should she step down, she should step OUT of Congress and retire

if this latest charge is true.

She has been the biggest disappointment of the year.

[Kolesar]

29. Credibility...what? What are you talking about?

I have been away all day, is there some "headline" or some "news story" that would somehow involve Pelosi's "credibility"?

Well, do tell.

I cannot believe you got thirty answers without even saying what this is about.

[ixion]

38. there is an article in the WaPo saying that Pelosi was briefed... she had no comment

if she was briefed -- that is if she KNEW that waterboarding was going on -- then she has lost credibility.

[Kolesar]

42. Brundle fly writes a piss poor post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3095441&mesg_id=3095441

[L. Coyote]

48. Actually, Pelosi's office replied. Read the article. What, you want her to feed the trolls

in person now!

If you read the article, you will see it is a hit job, loaded with contradictions and defensive of Bush. It is a piece of trash, as journalism goes, if not a propaganda piece handed to the authors.

[AngryAmish]

44. agreed

[ProSense]

45. Why? Is it because of the

complicit ?

Pelosi should step up and hold Bush's feet to the fire!