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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:29 AM
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How Hillary Won Over the Health Care Industry
How Hillary Won Over the Health-Care Industry
By Susannah Meadows
Newsweek
September 17, 2007

She was persona non grata in the early 1990s, when the then-first lady’s dramatic health-care reform package went down. These days Hillary Clinton is winning raves among health-care-industry groups—and attracting their campaign dollars.

They were an army of two: Harry and Louise, those middle-aged, middle-class icons, frustrated that the government was limiting their health-care coverage. There they sat at their kitchen table, bills strewn before them, an adding machine at hand, despair in their souls. Bureaucrats were taking away their freedom—especially one named Hillary Clinton.

Cooked up in 1993 by the health-care-insurance lobby, Harry and Louise starred in a series of ads critical of the then-first lady’s dramatic plan to overhaul the U.S. health-care system. Her proposal for universal coverage actually kept private insurers in place, but she favored strict regulation—including price caps on insurance premiums. And she wasn’t going to compromise, not with the insurance companies, not with Congress, not with doctors. So Harry and Louise fired back, spooking Americans with their veiled references to socialized medicine. The fictional pair triumphed in 1994, helping to sink the 1,342-page bill—a centerpiece of her husband Bill Clinton’s first term.

Fast-forward 13 years. Hillary has announced a new plan for universal health-care coverage—a plan she hopes will help propel her to the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008. Surprisingly, her past health-care flop has become a significant political asset. Sixty-five percent of all voters—and 91 percent of Democrats—are confident that she would do the right thing for the health-care system, according to a Gallup poll released in July. And the captains of the health-care industry who once viewed her as the root of all evil are now filling the coffers of her campaign. (Her proposal calls for mandatory participation, which the industry tends to favor. But insurance companies will also be required not to turn anyone away for pre-existing conditions under Clinton’s new plan.) As of the first quarter of 2007 she was the recipient of more health-care-industry donations than any presidential candidate—Democrat or Republican—according to a recent study by the Institute for Health and Socio-Economic Policy. How did the woman once demonized by the industry—whose plan was derided as “Hillary-care”—become so popular in these parts?

For starters, it’s a matter of realpolitik. As the leading Democratic contender running at a time of sagging GOP popularity, she’s a good bet to win the White House. Health-care companies naturally want a seat at the winner’s table, regardless of who it is. “These kinds of contributions in general follow power and influence, and these groups recognize that Sen. Clinton is a serious candidate to be the next president,” says Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21, a campaign-finance watchdog group. “They are interested in gaining access to people in power of all ideologies in both parties.”

But there’s a downside to her careful courtship of the industry. Her chief rivals for the Democratic nomination, Barack Obama and John Edwards, have repeatedly blasted her for accepting contributions from federal lobbyists. (On the GOP side, Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson have tried a different tack, sounding the “socialized medicine” bell, in a not-so-veiled attempt to scare voters about Hillary’s intentions.)

She’s raised more money directly from lobbyists—including those representing health-care interests—and their families than any other presidential candidate, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. While she’s been challenged by Edwards not to accept lobbyist cash, she’s attended fund-raisers hosted by lobbyists themselves, including a $1,000-a-plate event last month in Chicago, according to ABC News. Clinton defended herself at this summers YearlyKos convention, where liberal bloggers both applauded and booed her. “A lot of those lobbyists, whether you like it or not, represent real Americans,” she said. “The idea that somehow a contribution is going to influence you—I just ask you to look at my record.”

But some consumer groups aren’t convinced. They look at the healthy contributions she’s received from health-care groups and wonder how far into the industry’s pocket she’s climbed. “There’s nobody in this race with her knowledge to make health care available to every American at a cheaper cost, but it would take going after the insurance industry that’s funding her candidacy,” say Jamie Court, president of consumerwatchdog.org. “I don’t know if there was a smoky back room, but her positions are certainly not threatening her cash stream, and their cash stream is helping her maintain her position as a front runner. In politics there aren’t too many coincidences.” Phil Singer, a spokesman for the Clinton campaign responds: “Reaching out, talking to and listening to the stakeholders is how you make change. Americans from all walks have a stake in seeing a better health-care system.”

The nurses’ union is equally glum about the chances for real reform. “Given how much money she’s gotten from the industry, the room for innovation is very limited,” says Michael Lighty, director of public policy for the California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee, whose research arm conducted the health-care-donations study. “You either have to take on the stakeholders or you have to accommodate them. She is likely to accommodate all the major ones, certainly all the ones with deep pockets.” That’s a charge Harry and Louise would never have seen coming.

http://www.calnurses.org/media-center/in-the-news/2007/september/page.jsp?itemID=32062402

With Karen Springen, Eleanor Clift, Richard Wolffe, and Roya Wolverson
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:35 AM
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1. More fear mongering
Notice how those nurses can't identify anything Clinton has done wrong when it comes to health care. Clinton's record on health care is far above any of the other candidates.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:11 PM
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9. Oh? What is that record you tout?
She has done NOTHING. She has not been in a postion to do anything. Maybe a safe senate vote here and there, but nothing that stands up to the industry at all. What bills has she sponsored that lead to implementing, piecemeal, the fundamentals of her broken '93 healtcare bill? None. You don't really believe that she's going to turn on the people that are filling her coffers, do you?

She talks a great fight.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:00 PM
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46. She already has turned on them
She's received lots of money from the pharmaceutical industry and much is made of that.

But Hillary voted against the medicare prescription drug bill, the biggest prize the drug companies ever got. Hillary favors government entities negotiating for lower drug prices. She's for allowing citizens to purchase drugs from Canada too. In return for their donations, the pharmaceutical industry got an enemy.

Hillary's critics keep pointing out money she got but come up short when asked what Hillary did wrong in exchange for the money. Its always, "She will do something in the future." That could be said about any candidate.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:26 PM
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51. Anybody who could count knew that POS was going to pass,
so she could safely vote against it without changing the outcome. Did she fight it, though? Did she make repeated public speeches saying that the prescription giveaway was a fraud? Did she line up supporters in the senate to fight, or even filibuster it?

No. She triangulated. She accepted huge pharma donations, but also voted against it to try to draw in non-thinking progressives -- only problem is, progressives are not non-thinking, so she only fooled the centrists into thinking she's not a corporate shill. She was setting up her 08 campaign in trying to confuse the issue and have it both ways.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 08:00 PM
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52. That's a lot of speculation
That opinion seems more designed to explain away information that conflicts with your previous opinion than a realistic view.

I found at least one public speech Clinton gave. Lining up supporters for a filibuster wouldn't have helped because on 11 Senate Democrats voted against the bill. The secret pact theory doesn't hold up because she's opposed big pharma repeatedly, not just this one time.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:35 AM
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2. Hillary won over Health Care?
Mandatory purchase of insurance to work seems like it went the other way.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:38 AM
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3. Right.. that's the point. :-)
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:59 AM
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4. Nurses don't oppose mandates. Did you make that up?
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:02 PM
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5. Nurses are concerned with actually delivering health care
INSURANCE COMPANIES... not so much. Big Insurance has deeper pockets. Nurses are not the only contributors.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:11 PM
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Changing the subject? It won't work
Nurses do NOT oppose mandates.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:39 PM
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12. Subject is Hillary v Health care. How is mandatory insurance plan not subject
Ignoring the aspects and facets won't work. Thanks for playing.

I never said nursed opposed anything. Nice try, but no bonus points
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:50 PM
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19. Nurses don't oppose mandates.
You disagreed. I pointed out you were wrong, and now you're trying to change the subject to avoid admitting you were wrong.

Nurses do NOT oppose mandates. They support Medicare, which is a mandate. Just try not paying your taxes. They support SS. Try not paying your SS taxes and see what happens
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:16 AM
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48. I posted nothing of the sort. I infered the HRC is supportive of status quo
Reality is OK, give it a try some time.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:08 PM
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6. I didn't write the article. Link is provided to original article.
But I am a member of the NNOC/CNA, and we DO oppose Mandates.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:12 PM
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10. Once again, nurses do not oppose mandates
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:32 PM
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11. Do you think that by repeating the same BIG LIE over and over it makes it true?
Hundreds of RNs from Across U.S. and World to Join California Nurses Association/NNOC National Convention
Huge Capitol Rally for Guaranteed Healthcare, AFL-CIO Secretary Treasurer Richard Trumka to Keynote Canadian, British, Australian RNs Describe National Healthcare Systems

Patients, First Responders to Join Emotional September 11th Rally With a Plea for Politicians to Focus on Guaranteed Healthcare

The California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee will convene its national convention in Sacramento Monday, greeting hundreds of registered nurses from around the U.S. and the world – and pressing the campaign for genuine, guaranteed healthcare reform in California and Washington. The conference is at the Sacramento Convention Center.

Highlighting the proceedings, convention delegates joined by community supporters will march to the Capitol Tuesday for a rally to press the case with California legislators and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger for real reform, not just cosmetic changes that reinforce the insurance-based system that created the current crisis.

This convention marks the first since CNA/NNOC’s affiliation with the AFL-CIO, uniting one of the nation’s fastest growing unions, CNA/NNOC, with millions of other union members. To mark the occasion, AFL-CIO Secretary Treasurer Richard Trumka will deliver the convention keynote address. Author and columnist Barbara Ehrenreich will also speak.

Additionally, RNs from Canada, Great Britain, and Australia will tell the real story about single-payer or national healthcare systems in their countries, describing the kind of healthcare system that Americans and Californians could have with the enactment of HR 676 in Congress or SB 840 in California.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:40 PM
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13. Yep that is the thought process
a brief scan of past discussions will shed much light on the method ;)
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:42 PM
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15. Yeah, I've decided to quit banging my head against the proverbial wall, thanks :-)
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:54 PM
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21. Now you sink into the gutter. Very dishones
I'm sorry, but "hundreds" of nurses from around the world is nothing more than a blip. There are millions of nurses, and only "hundreds" oppose the mandates. That's just a small fraction of a percent

Even worse, they don't say that they oppose mandates. They are FOR single payer, but I see nothing about mandates. The only thing they oppose is Ahnold's plan. How dishonest was if for you to try and misportray this as opposition to the dems health care plans?
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 01:22 PM
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28. you call that sinking into the gutter?
holy cow pass me some of what you're smoking today...
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 04:15 PM
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35. Thats what happens when lobbyists write your platform....
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:09 PM
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7. "Won over" = "sold out to"
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:11 PM
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8. Yes, that's exactly the correct translation :-) Somebody finally got it ! n/t
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:41 PM
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14. Hey, I got it too, Just less blunt about how I stated it
Makes it more fun for the bots, donchaknow ;)
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:43 PM
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16. Its nothing but a conspiracy theory that presupposes
she will not push for the plan she has outlined. Typical Hillary attack with no substance.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:55 PM
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22. Hillary's record on health issues is excellent
That's why they can't identify anything she has done for the insurance lobby
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:44 PM
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17. "How Hillary Won Over the Health Care Industry"
Actually, Hillary has NOT won over The HealthCare Industry, she has won over The Health Insurance Industry. Big Difference.
She won over The Health Insurance Industry by letting them write her "Health Care Plan" which diverts $MILLIONS$ of taxpayer dollars into the pockets of the richest CEOS in the WORLD.

Hillary does NOT have a HealthCare Plan.
Hillary has a Mandatory Private Health Insurance Plan.

She couldn't beat them, so she joined them.
Just like she did with this guy from the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy"

They are all buddy/buddy now.
Its all good in Hillary World.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:48 PM
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18. Bingo :-) n/t
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:51 PM
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20. Wow! it appears no-one in DU saw Michael Moore's 'sICKO' - Bill Clinton asked
Harvey Weinstein the producer of sICKO if he would edit out the health-care segment showing Hillary selling out to the health-care Industry.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:58 PM
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23. What did Hillary actually do for the health care industry
aside from

helping millions of poor children get coverage from the govt
getting increased funds for the Ryan White Care Act
forcing Big Pharma to make sure their drugs are safe for children
forcing bush* to track the health of Iraq vets to avoid another Gulf War Syndrome fiasco
forcing bush* to fund medical for the first responders on 9/11
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 01:25 PM
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29. she ain't forced anyone to do jack shit and you know it.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 12:59 PM
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24. I saw it... note above caption: "Won Over = Sold Out"
Also note in the article posted the bolded sections about contributions from insurance lobbyists.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 01:30 PM
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30. Also note - No evidence cited
You can't name one thing Hillary has actually done that benefits the insurance industry.

Maybe it's her proposal to prohibit the use of "pre-existing conditions" to limit coverage. I hear the insurance industry hates to limit and deny coverage to anyone.

Or maybe it her proposal to limit premiums. I hear the insurance industry hates the freedom to charge whatever the market will bear.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 01:30 PM
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31. I saw it.
Edited on Mon Dec-10-07 01:35 PM by bvar22
"Sicko" triggered my outrage and an embarrassment.
The rest of the civilized World is laughing at Americans who accept a Private, FOR PROFIT, Insurance driven, Health Care System. :shrug:

This should be a no brainer.
"Single Payer" is the ONLY fair way to go.

If you are NOT outraged by Hillary's
Mandatory Private Health Insurance proposal,
you are NOT paying attention.



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 01:09 PM
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25. This is one Nurse....
that is not convinced that HC is the best choice in reguard to health care.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 01:19 PM
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26. This is another nurse who agrees with you. n/t
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:37 AM
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49. And this is a doc who agrees with you both.
The insurance companies have gotta go. SINGLE PAYER is the only way to go.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 10:56 AM
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50. Amen....
our health care or lack of it now is seriously affecting mortality levels. Other countries pay half as much and recieve 4 times the care that we do....and it is not because of lawsuits, it is that the middle man-the Insurance Companies squeeze so much out of the system.

My hat's off to ya Doc, I don't know how you do it these days. So many I know are getting out of the business.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 01:21 PM
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27. But you are addressing the issue politically I think
not from a policy soundness point. Or maybe I missed other posts where you have.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 01:32 PM
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32. They have no policy positions. It's all propoganda
This one keeps claiming the Hillary has "sold out" but can't name one thing Clinton has done for the insurance industry

Maybe it's that Hillary wants to prohibit the use of pre-existing conditions to limit/deny coverage. We all know how the insurance industry hates to deny claims and coverage
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proudmoddemo Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 05:16 PM
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42. Well if she did,
They wouldn't be backing her candidacy.

And there is a legitimate debate here. There are many of us that think health insurance mandates are a really bad idea. We oppose that, and therefore oppose Hillary's plan. A health insurance mandate without a real plan to address costs is just a handout/corporate welfare for the insurance companies. We know that Edwards wants to garnish my wages and then put them into the pocket of people like the William McGuire, the CEO of United Health Care, that paid himself hundreds of millions in stock options. Not a "progressive" plan.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 08:45 PM
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44. What is a real plan to address costs?
I would suggest Hillary has put plenty of substance into that part as well. Regulations on the insurance industry coupled with the option to go with a public plan. And other things.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 10:30 PM
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53. How about mandating private insurance for everyone?
Anything the insurance companies might lose on premium caps will be more than made up for by them collecting PRIVATE insurance premiums from an additional 40 million people.

And just like the prescription plan, once it is in place they will be dismayed to discover it is going to cost 30% more than projected - so premium caps will fall by the wayside as the private insurance CEOs buy new winter homes in Aruba.

Single payer is the only way to REDUCE the costs. Anything else is just a giveaway to the richest corporations in America.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 01:38 PM
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33. The only sound policy, as far as I'm concerned, is HR 676..
I'm just tired of seeing "top tier" candidates trying to pass off Mandates with private insurance companies as true single-payer universal coverage. It's misleading, at best.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 01:44 PM
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34. Well my interpretation of Hillary's proposal
is that she sets up a bridge to single payer and if the insurance companies under her new regs can't compete with the public policy she will offer thats where the market will go (single payer).
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proudmoddemo Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 04:40 PM
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39. One of the worst chocies in my opinion
But I am a patient, not a nurse.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 04:29 PM
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36. Key word here: INDUSTRY
Health Care should not BE an "industry". That is why Hillary's "mandatory corporatism" plan sucks ass.

There is a better plan......

http://cms.dennis4president.com/images/stories/universalhealthcare.pdf
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 04:30 PM
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37. You mean, how the Industry won her over. nm
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proudmoddemo Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 04:39 PM
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38. This is the reason I won't vote for Hillary
Edited on Mon Dec-10-07 04:48 PM by proudmoddemo
I am a Crohn's Disease patient. My medical bills are astronomic (disease related over the past 2.5 years is in the low six figures). Some prescriptions that I, thankfully, am not currently on run into the $4,000 per month range. I have an ostomy, and the supplies cost another $65 per month. Add that to the medication that I do take, total probably around $600 per month if I had to pay out of pocket, and you get the picture.

I am fortunate. I live in Maryland, which has a first class high risk pool. I pay 110% of market price for a healthy person my age for my insurance. And I get rolled into what is essentially the state employee's benefit plan (though technically different, they're basically the same plan). This gives me access to health care. I can see many of the great doctors that populate my state. Those doctors have put my disease (more or less) into remission and greatly improved the quality of my life.

But a mandate scares the hell out of me. Here's why: if I'm forced by the federal government to purchase private insurance, that would super cede my state's plan. I would be forced to buy into a federal plan. And if there are no provisions for people that are chronically ill, I am looking at a $1,500 a month premium for my insurance. The same goes for a person with HIV or a person with cancer.

How are we to afford this? Hillary's plan doesn't really address the chronically ill (nobody's plan does for that matter). There are two options to enforce this in my view: one, garnish people's wages, as John Edwards said he'd do. Or, throw people in jail for failure to be insured. Either option is probably unconstitutional.

Because I am a patient-activist, I know people that work for insurance companies and drug companies. I've noticed that lots of them are fans of Hillary. That's an endorsement that is likely to make me look for somebody else.

Further, I think they're fans of Hillary because her plan does nothing to address problems that lead to high costs. First, and foremost, is the fact that there are uninsured catastrophic cases. Those cases are already de facto funded by the federal government in our public hospitals. Still, that funding doesn't cover all of the bills. So hospitals get stuck with astronomical unpaid bills. They do what any business would do, and pass it along to the paying (read insured) customers. This can--and should--be fixed by eliminating the catastrophic cases by rolling those of us with catastrophic illnesses into a federally-funded plan; I would hope it'd be the federal employees benefit plan. I would be opposed to making us all automatic Medicaid recipients, as because of the aforementioned problems with the fee schedules, that would reduce--if not eliminate--our access to expensive surgeons and specialists.

Second, the insurers are driven too much by Wall Street. United Health Care is an absolute scam, and an example of what is wrong with the health insurance industry. Real reform would ban stock options to insurance executives, and place a cap on insurance companies profits. I would argue that the profit rate should be no more than 12%.

Third, there is a problem with malpractice lawsuits in the country. A large part of this stems from the fact that uninsured people with chronic illnesses don't get preventative care. They show up in the emergency room, and need immediate action to save their lives. This is when mistakes happen. Capping lawsuit damages would help doctors to reduce their fees, further lowering premiums. (Further for fields like obstetrics, where it is impossible to actually field a profitable practice because of malpractice insurance rates, we need to make sure that all OBGYN services are fully funded by the federal government. There's no alternative there).

If you did that, then you would reduce the cost of insurance significantly, make it affordable to more small businesses, and increase the number of Americans that have insurance.

A mandate without a plan to reduce the costs that we pay for health care is just a highway robbery--from our pockets to people like the CEO of United Health, who paid himself hundreds of millions in stock options. I won't support a candidate that is supported by people that profit off of the suffering of the ill. That is immoral. I will make a blanket statement: I will not vote for a candidate that has a health insurance mandate as part of their health care plan.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 04:44 PM
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40. Thousands of RNs and MDs agree with you... check out the ad run in Iowa today
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proudmoddemo Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 05:09 PM
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41. A good press release
That's true about Cheney.

Another thing that hasn't been talked about adequately is the latest stuff to come out of the insurance companies: intentional fraudulent denials of claims. For instance, when I had my ostomy surgery, the insurance company initially refused to pay for my room and board. They said that I should've walked out of there that day--even though I had just had a major organ removed from my body. I said, "Hey you can't do that," and appealed. Then they said that the room and board would be covered, but because the procedure had exceeded the pre-approved amount that nothing would be paid at all for my surgery. I appealed again, and nothing happened. I finally called the state A.G.'s office, and literally the next day, the insurance company was calling me and apologizing for their errors, and paying the bill.

I talked to my surgeon and GI about this. They both said that this is what the insurance companies do. That they hope that patients under going major surgery will be sick and depressed and therefore won't spend the energy to appeal their decisions, which means the hospital gets stuck with the bill. And which also means that patients are ruined financially (forced to declare bankruptcy).

Then we see Michael Moore's movie where it's clear that this kind of BS is what leads to "bonuses" for insurance account executives. That is something that the Democratic Congress should be investigating, but they are so timid that they will never do it.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 05:23 PM
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43. Of course the health insurance industry loves her now.
She's promised to deliver the uninsured millions to their doorstep and force them to buy in to programs that will still be in place for THE SOLE PURPOSE OF ENRICHING THE INSURANCE COMPANIES.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 09:00 PM
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45. Hillary has done the equivalent of inviting the MAFIA to be a law enforcement partner
Nothing like having on the table the very industry that has done so much harm to the public's health.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:09 PM
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47. I'm fond of that analogy... n/t
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