Obama To Hillary: "I'm Looking Forward To You Advising Me"

[jefferson_dem]

Obama To Hillary: "I'm Looking Forward To You Advising Me"
By Greg Sargent - December 13, 2007, 3:36PM
This might have been the debate's best moment. Toward the end came this exchange:

MODERATOR: Senator Obama, you have Bill Clinton's former National Security Adviser, State Department policy director and maybe secretary among others, advising you. With relatively little foreign policy experience of your own, how will you rely on so many Clinton advisers, and still deliver the kind of break from the past that you're promising voters?
(Laughter)

Obama: You know I am --

Hillary: (Laughing) I want to hear that.

Obama: Well, Hillary, I'm looking forward to you advising me as well. (Laughter)

I'd say that this exchange very neatly captures many of the Campaign 2008's various underlying tensions and absurdities, wouldn't you?

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/12/obama_to_hillary_im_looking_forward_to_you_advising_me.php

VIDEO HERE --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nKHBSFSosY

[Fredda Weinberg]

1. Catch it on a replay ... it's a great moment n/t

[Bullet1987]

2. It was a great comeback from Obama...

[Fredda Weinberg]

5. I don't agree ... the point was valid and he didn't address it n/t

[sandnsea]

16. Why aren't they still with the Clintons?

Oh yeah, they opposed the Iraq War and the Clintons didn't.

[Fredda Weinberg]

22. Yes, we'll never know how Obama would have voted, being a

freshman senator and all. HRC waited deliberately until she won re-election handily.

As for advisors, it appears Obama went after them

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/379187,CST-EDT-sweet10.article

[sandnsea]

32. Because they opposed the Iraq War n/t

[Little Star]

41. If the Clintons thought thay were worth keeping thay would still be with them.

JMHO.

[sandnsea]

45. If the Clintons were worth keeping, nobody would run against them n/t

[Cha]

91. That's so much

bullshit.

Yeah, clintons would rather have mark penn and billy shaheen.

[ClarkUSA]

53. Which debate did you watch? Obama DID address it... quite well, after he shut up The Cackler.

Anyone who saw the debate could see that -- unless they're a Clinton partisan. :eyes:

[Name removed]

95. Deleted message

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[Whisp]

27. I thought so too...

If these things are not rehearsed, I'd say Obama has a very quick sharp wit to come up with that on the fly. anyway, he came way ahead on that exchange in my view.

[ClarkUSA]

56. Obama possess that rarest quality among politicians...

Wit.

:toast:

[MethuenProgressive]

21. "With relatively little foreign policy experience of your own," ZING! BURN!

:rofl: Poor Obama - always called out on his shortcomings.

[Donnachaidh]

3. BURN by Obama

That was a GREAT comeback. :rofl:

[undercoverduer]

4. Hillary looked foolish

:kick:

[PresidentObama]

6. Hillary looked rude and that was inappropiate. Obama's comments were a good comeback.

She got nailed, and she deserved it on that exchange.

[aquart]

14. Except, of course, for not answering the question.

Because the one who got nailed was Obama, and he dodged it.

[Little Star]

40. He sure will need her advice. He was right on that one.

All talk no experience. Any time I've EVER changed anything is because of experience. He just need a few more years then he'll be ready.

[ClarkUSA]

57. It's obvious you didn't watch the debate... because if you did, you'd know he did after the exchange

Try watching the entire debate (like I did) before you start repeating BS Clintonian talking points -- or else you'll look as foolish as Her Royal Cackler. :eyes:

[speedoo]

18. I agree.

Now I know what the Hillary "cackle" is. Obama's comeback was great.

[BringBigDogBack]

28. I agree.

[blm]

7. I hope Obama relies on Gary Hart, John Kerry and Al Gore - not the Clintons.

If he listens to Clintons the books will NEVER get opened on BushInc.

[sandnsea]

13. They're people who opposed the war

Tony Lake, Susan Rice, come to mind. Susan Rice advised Kerry too, I don't remember what Tony Lake was doing in 2003, 2004.

[blm]

17. I think Rice is part of Hart and Kerry's American Security Project thinktank.

Gen. Zinni and Max Cleland are also part of it, iirc.

[texastoast]

23. Add Bill Richardson to that list

He knows the big issue: We gotta get OUT of Iraq.

[blm]

24. He recently spoke about exposing Bush corruption, and that definitely caught my notice.

Undergod knows you can count open government Democrats on two hands.

[ClarkUSA]

60. I hope Kerry and Gore endorses Obama before the Iowa caucuses.

BAM! ;-)

Because we all know they have no love for the Clintons.

[Maven]

8. Bad move by Hillary

but Obama's response may not go over well with women voters.

[Diane R]

15. Why wouldn't it? I'm a woman, and I loved Obama's reply. Women don't have to support Hillary.

[Maven]

20. I didn't mean to say they did

but my intuition is that some women might have a visceral reaction when a man looks at a powerful woman and says, basically, "your place is working under me," even though Obama could easily have said the same thing to a man. It also just looks like a put-down since it's obvious Clinton and Obama will never work together regardless of who wins the nomination.

I could be wrong. But some of the commenters on TPM seem to reflect what I'm saying.

[Zueda]

84. I don't think people who advise are deemed

as underlings...in fact, i believe it's the opposite.

[MaraJade]

103. You hit the nail right on the head--

Obama's response directly implied that Hillary is inferior to him.

That's the problem.

[MaraJade]

97. The understatement of the year...

The utter disdain for women, their intelligence, value and power is all
too clear.

Most women will be angered by this.

[AngryAmish]

9. I think this is where her campaign dies

[JackORoses]

10. Hillary catches one on the chin, then she attempts to hide her displeasure with an exaggerated laugh

The fire in her eyes said it all though.

[TwilightZone]

11. "maybe secretary"

Was that incorrectly transcribed? Perhaps it was supposed to be "Navy Secretary".

Maybe.

[Nailzberg]

19. Yes, likely incorrect transcription - Richard Danzig, Navy Sec. under Bill Clinton

Richard Danzig is one Obama's supporters/advisors.

[Kucinich4America]

114. Obama's got Danzig on his team??

That ROCKS! :headbang:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mpf-Azj4SXk

[Nailzberg]

116. Mother!

Danzig rocks! :headbang:

[TwilightGardener]

12. ZING!

[MNDemNY]

25. Why didn't BHO answer the question?

Or did he answer it in some sort of obamanation eye-blink code?

[maximusveritas]

26. He did answer after Hillary's interruption

He said the Clinton people advising him now agree with his philosophy of changing the way we conduct foreign policy.

[MNDemNY]

29. They agree with Presidential face-to-face meetings with

all comers without conditions? Interesting.

[maximusveritas]

33. Yes they do

As do all people who are serious about change.

[MNDemNY]

34. Niave and dangerous. Fool hardy. Idiotic. Just plain dumb. Etc. Etc., Etc.

[Beacool]

58. Please, my father who was a career diplomat would be laughing

at such an inept comment. You NEVER place the president in a position where he/she could be used as a tool of an enemy nation's propaganda. Meetings are essential, but they are first conducted with lower level emissaries. A face to face meeting with the president is a bargaining chip which should be used at the right moment and after much deliberation.

[ClarkUSA]

67. Yeah, we've seen what a great job "lower-level diplomats" have done in the Middle East so far...

:eyes:

It's tiem to turn the page on politics - and diplomacy - as usual.

[ClarkUSA]

68. Pssst... that's the latest Hillaryworld talking point.

They're trying their best to have "fun" like Hillary. Jerks.

[K Gardner]

30. That's going to be THE moment replayed over and over and over...

it was priceless. Not sure we've had one of those moments yet this year in the debates! Will it rise to the level and infamy of "There you go again.." ?? We'll see :-)

[MNDemNY]

31. . Good one!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[maddiejoan]

35. Looking forward to it

Obama admitting he'd need Hillary's advice.

Hope it plays on a non-stop loop.

[JackORoses]

36. more like Obama admitting that Hillary won't be his VP

who'd want her anyway?

[BeyondGeography]

39. He can win NY without her

or whatever state she's from. :D

[MaraJade]

98. But she can set up a dangerous

opposition against him in the Senate.

Never underestimate the power of a WOMAN SCORNED> NEVER!

[BootinUp]

42. I agree!

:thumbsup:

:)

[Beacool]

37. So, what?

He still has zero foreign policy experience and is the least qualified. Oh well, in this era of American Idol banality wins over substance.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

43. Concidering he is in the

Senate Committee on Foreign Relations and leads its Subcommittee on European Affairs i think your quite a bit off on saying he has zero foreign policy experience

[maddiejoan]

44. How many times have they met?

While he's been on that committee -- Any idea?

[Beacool]

47. Why bother reminding them of the facts?

They prefer to treat this campaign as if it were a reality show.

[maddiejoan]

52. They're all patting themselves on the back now

Cos Obama had a youtube moment in the debate

(where he says if he's President he'll want Hill's advice)

Here's some advice for Obama -- don't get so cocky.


sheeeeesh. I keep expecting Tyra Banks to tell him he's still in the running to be America's Next Top Model.

[Beacool]

65. Cocky is what his campaign is all about.

Who else but an immeasurably arrogant individual would have the gall to act as if with, at the time, barely 2 years in the US senate he was prepared enough and worthy to run for president? That's the main thing that strikes me about the man, his sheer assumption that he's fit for the job. It's so mindboggling!!!!!

[maddiejoan]

71. What bothers me is

he deprives the Democratic Party of a very good President in 2016.

Of all the current Democratic Candidates he'd have been the best choice for an incumbent VP going into the 2016 elections.

I'd have welcomed a seasoned Obama.

I like him. He can probably even win the election. But I worry greatly about his prospects as a President.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

77. and it might be just me

but it seems more like it the two of you who are patting each other on the back(atleast on this thread)

[Zueda]

85. I was just thinking the same thing. n/t

[Tarc]

120. Oh no, people on a thread agreeing with each other?

Stop the presses!

[ClarkUSA]

70. What foreign policy experience has Hillary got? Besides being a reliable vote for any Bush war...

:shrug:

[Bodhi BloodWave]

76. the foreign relations commitee will have met

83 times on December the 19th with the first meeting having been on January the 9th

Still looking for info on the Europe one(seems hard to find info on the subcommitees hearings)

Edited to add that I'm referring to all the subcommitees, not just the Europe one

[Nailzberg]

88. Foreign Relations? About 280 times since he joined the committee.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

109. Thanks for throwing in the complete number

My count in the post above only had this year

[Nailzberg]

112. You were clear in your post

Given the dates you provided. I posted those facts because I think it's laughable that rivals attack Obama on his foreign policy experience, given his committee assignments.

Most senators avoid Foreign Relations because there is no money involved. But it should be noted that Obama took that assignment, and spent his first August break traveling former Soviet-states with Richard Lugar investigating nuclear proliferation. And his next break was spent in Africa investigating AIDS and poverty. He's shown the US is committed to solving the problems of the world, nt just the US.

I still haven't decided who I'm voting for, but Obama, Biden, and Edwards are the guys I'm looking at right now. We can restore our place in world affairs, and I think those are the candidates we should be looking at right now.

[ClarkUSA]

69. Yet Obama knew that the Iraq war was wrong from the beginning...

While "experienced" Lieberman and Hillary voted for IWR and Kyl-Lieberman. Hmmm... I think many of us non-Clinton Kool-Aide drinkers
recognize and prefer Obama's superior judgment to a neocon mouthpiece -> Hillary.

[Catherine Vincent]

38. Nice joke. nt

[calteacherguy]

46. That video encapsulated perfectly everything wrong with Hillary Clinton.

She's earned the negativity by her negative, arrogant, abrasive, condescending personality.

There is no "vast right wing conspiracy" against her. She's earned her baggage, and she deserves her baggage.

[BootinUp]

48. over the top much? n/t

[calteacherguy]

49. Not at all.

I believe every word I wrote.

Completely.

[BootinUp]

50. I could throw out

another comment, but whats the point.

[calteacherguy]

51. You're probably right. nt

[maddiejoan]

54. wait let me get this straight

Obama says he'll be the President and he'll want Hillary's advice --but SHE's the arrogant condescending one.


ooookeee.

[calteacherguy]

55. Her mocking laughter and condescending, arrogant attitude

is why the American people will reject her.

She'll just too full of herself. We need a President who will listen respectfully to a wide variety of views, and base their actions on all the opinions and evidence gathered. Obama has the right kind of attitude and personality for the Presidency. Hillary does not.

Obama showed true character by remaining gracious towards her in his response.

[maddiejoan]

How dare she mock the Obama.

The Obama must never be mocked!

[Joe the Revelator]

62. Who's saying that? If you're going to mock any candidate...

do it with a little more style and grace or it will come back and bite you in the ass like it did Hilliary here.

[maddiejoan]

73. To me Obama revealed one thing we all know is true.

He WOULD need Hillary's advice.

[Joe the Revelator]

78. Thats because you're a complete Hilliary Homer

and you can't realize how sad her preformance was today.

[maddiejoan]

80. In the debates?

She was fine.

All in all I'd say Biden and Edwards did best

Obama and Clinton drew about even.

Richardson was a little better than Dodd.

[calteacherguy]

63. Condescending.

Just like Hillary.

[JackORoses]

66. Shitbirds of a Feather flock together?

[maddiejoan]

74. Clueless

Just like Obama

[calteacherguy]

79. Insulting.

Just like Hillary

[maddiejoan]

82. Crybaby

Just like Obama.

Your turn ;)

[calteacherguy]

83. No thanks

Unlike you and your candidate, I reallly don't find this "fun."

Have a good evening.

[Zueda]

86. PWNAGE

[Cha]

92. Zing.

[K Gardner]

61. Obama to Hillary: Lead from the top..

"Mr. Obama made clear that a signal had to be sent from the top down of the campaign that these types of tactics are out of bounds."

It is fairly sad that someone whom Hillary paints as inexperienced and unable to lead, has to tell her (at the point of her apology) how to get control of her own people. He is right. And if she cannot keep control of her staff, or if something about the way she runs her campaign prompts her followers to engage in this type of behavior, it sends an overall signal. And not a signal that people are liking.

[MaraJade]

94. HOW DARE SHE

Not act like a "Lady!" She forgot her place today. She needs to remember that you
catch more flies with sugar than with vinegar. She needs to remember that being sweet
wins more than being sour. Real Ladies are "respectful." Someone needs to teach that
girl manners!

Women who are too full of themselves are acting unreasonable. Ambition has no place in a
lady! Real women don't publicly show disdain for anyone. HER attitude is BAD. She is a
BAD GIRL.

Her behaviour was unkind and uncharitable and unladylike and she needs to change her
bitchy ways!

:eyes:

[JackORoses]

64. She butted in on his question to take a jab at him, but that it backfired.

Then she cackled to cover her displeasure.

[maddiejoan]

90. she cackled?

What are you, 12 years old?

[MaraJade]

99. YUP!

Everyone knows that women who are witches and bitches CACKLE!

Good Ladies know their place and remain respectfully (of the man) silent!

[maddiejoan]

101. If only Hillary could learn

to just giggle a playful little "tee-hee" and cover her mouth , maybe even blush a little as she fiddles with the hem of her gingham skirt.

[MaraJade]

104. I guess. . .

Then she could throw in a shy little sideways adoring glance at Obama, just for effect.

If only she were "sweeter. . ."

[Zueda]

87. That will be one of her duties as a US senator. n/t

[MaraJade]

100. SURRREEEE!

:evilgrin:

(Laughs as she looks at the Stonewall that Hillary has in her pocket. . .)

[Zueda]

105. No.... seriously.

It's right in the constitution...I believe it's spelled out in Article II Section 2.

[ClarkUSA]

72. You said it in a nutshell. The extended cackle was much louder on TV than in that clip, too.

Welcome back!! I missed ya! :hi:

[TeamJordan23]

59. I love Obama. He is so witty on his feet. nm

[maddiejoan]

75. Maybe after the primaries are over

Oprah can set him up with a Talk Show!

[calteacherguy]

81. I think he sincerely meant what he said.

One of the great traits I see in Obama is a willingness and desire to listen to a wide variety of views...even from political opponents.

He has an open, intelligent, curious mind and that's a strength, not a weakness.

[Franc_Lee]

89. Hillary having a who laughs last moment today, Hillary learns a lesson no doubt...

Obama, the man does not fail to impress. Quick on his feet doesn't even discribe today's snapback to Hillary!!!

[MaraJade]

93. If she's smart

She'll refuse. . .

[Beausoir]

96. OprahBama should not count his chickens before they hatch.

Cutesy-pie slogans do not win elections.

He has a lot of work cut out for himself and he is going to have to learn to toughen up if he expects to win the GE.

[BeyondGeography]

102. I've watched this about ten times now

and I just noticed that Obama says, "you wanna hear that?" very low in response to Hillary's loud "I want to hear that one" comment.

Makes the ending even better.

[TwilightGardener]

106. OMG, you're right! I went back and listened closely--

even better! Kind of like a windup before the punch!

[Beacool]

107. I don't blame Hillary for laughing, I laughed too.

Here's this arrogant newbie who has the nerve to constantly criticize the Clintons by harping on not returning to the 90s and he has in his team several Clinton advisers????? Oh, the hypocrisy!!!!

:rofl:

[Colobo]

110. You're right: How come he's not bowing to Queen Hillary?

That arrogant newbie... uppity Negro that doesn't know that he's got to wait his turn. When Massa Hillary decides he can run, then he runs!

[Beacool]

113. Hey, don't bring up the race issue!!!!!!

The guy would be just as inexperienced and hypocritical if he were white.

[ellisonz]

111. Iraq.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3222

[galledgoblin]

108. beautiful comeback, highlights Clinton's biggest problem

setting my opinions on the political persuasions and loyalties candidates hold aside, acting purely from the gut, she just doesn't have the charisma the other front runners have.

it's silly, it's an unfair way to judge, and it has nothing to do with how candidates will vote or act, but it'll turn an election.

[Beacool]

115. Yes, let's do choose someone based on his charisma quotient!!

Knowledge, experience an gravitas are all wasted qualities in a president. Reminds me how we ended up with the current village idiot in the White House.

[galledgoblin]

117. *shrug* I said it was silly

but I think a lot of people make their final decision based on the perceived personality of the politician.

and drawing comparisons between bush and any of the democratic candidates is a laughable exaggeration.

[Think82]

118. WHO CARES? Honestly, people. This is the lead story coming out of the debate?

[Colobo]

119. Viva Obama.