ClarkUSA
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Sat Dec-15-07 10:38 PM
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Air of inevitability escaping Clinton |
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Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 10:45 PM by ClarkUSA
The large crowds that once came to see her have thinned. Trusted campaign surrogates have veered wildly off message. And a campaign operation that had built seemingly impregnable leads over the summer appears to be faltering, prompting former President Clinton to amp up his role as a public spokesman and campaign advisor.
Clinton’s chief rival, Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, has wiped out her lead in the crucial early states of Iowa and New Hampshire, according to some polls. Should she lose those contests, gone would be the notion that she is the party’s inevitable nominee — one basis of her appeal as a candidate.
Former Democratic Sen. Bob Kerrey of Nebraska plans to publicly endorse Clinton next week. But, he says, the momentum may belong to Obama. Kerrey spoke about the “phenomenal pride” black voters felt when Obama made joint appearances last weekend with media titan Oprah Winfrey.
Obama, Kerrey said in an interview, has “either peaked, or he is on a trend line that is going to make him the nominee of the party.”
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-clinton15dec15,0,2904401.story?coll=la-home-center I'm sure Hillaryworld would like Kerrey to STFU. :-)
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Evergreen Emerald
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Sat Dec-15-07 10:40 PM
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1. "inevitability" a media construct--never a Clinton construct |
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this post is a bigfatlie.
But, hey: she does deserve congrats for the endorsement she received from the Des Moines Register.
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ClarkUSA
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Sat Dec-15-07 10:49 PM
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5. What BS... that's the strategy Mark Penn laid out from the beginning, according to more than report |
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And Hillary herself said in her Katie Couric interview that she never considered losing or that another candidate would be the nominee.
That's her declaring herself inevitable.
But I know you'll never admit it.
As for the Des Moines Register endorsement, all I can say is Bill and Hillary's wining and dining of the editors paid off. Politics as usual works for DMR honchas, I guess.
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Evergreen Emerald
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Sat Dec-15-07 10:55 PM
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6. They all say that. Remember what obama said? |
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He said he would get advice when he is president from Clinton: and you all laughed rather than be outraged that he DARE to suggest that he is inevitable?
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ClarkUSA
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Sat Dec-15-07 10:58 PM
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8. No, they didn't all say that... provide proof or I'll call your perpetual BS |
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Obama never said he never thought that anyone else could be the nominee but himself and David Axelrod certainly never ran the campaign as a "re-election" as some news reports have said in the past week.
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Sat Dec-15-07 10:42 PM
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2. I agree.. Corporate America and Big Business have found their bride.. |
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Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 10:42 PM by K Gardner
oops, was that sexist?
:smoke:
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Sat Dec-15-07 10:47 PM
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4. Well I wouldn't have called Obama |
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a "bride" --but I guess it's not sexist.
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ClarkUSA
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Sat Dec-15-07 11:04 PM
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9. Um, Hillary leads all other candidates - Republicans & Democrats - in lobbyist $$ received. |
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But don't let me stop you -- Clintonian apologists/swift boaters never let facts get in the way of their attacks.
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maddiejoan
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Sat Dec-15-07 11:08 PM
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12. so what's your point? |
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Obama has raised nothing from lobbyists?
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ClarkUSA
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Sat Dec-15-07 11:26 PM
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13. Obama does not accept a dime in campaign funds from lobbyists or PACs |
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Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 11:28 PM by ClarkUSA
According to the FEC reports, that's true. Of course, in Hillaryworld, facts don't matter when insinuating sly innuendo as in your "bride" snark above thread.
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maddiejoan
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Sat Dec-15-07 11:30 PM
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14. I direct you to this: |
Evergreen Emerald
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Sat Dec-15-07 11:39 PM
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15. Thank you. I find it interesting how there is so much out there on other candidates |
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And yet Clinton is constantly getting blamed for votes and stands that are no different than the other candidates.
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maddiejoan
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Sun Dec-16-07 12:14 AM
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Edited on Sun Dec-16-07 12:15 AM by maddiejoan
I'm just tired of the hypocracy, especially from Edwards and Obama.
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ClarkUSA
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Sun Dec-16-07 12:32 AM
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20. Oh please...your link proved nothing except my point - Obama and Edwards don't accept DC lobbyist $ |
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Nor do they accept money from PACs.
Check with the FEC and then get back to me with more "proof" than that.
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maddiejoan
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Sun Dec-16-07 12:38 AM
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You don't accept facts when they disagree with you.
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ClarkUSA
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Sun Dec-16-07 12:40 AM
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22. Funny how the FEC reports agree with me and Obama and Edwards |
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Repeat: your link proves that Obama and Edwards have not accepted a dime in DC lobbyist monies or Big Business PAC dollars.
Is that all you've got? :rofl:
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Sun Dec-16-07 12:46 AM
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and anyone who can read can decide for themselves.
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ClarkUSA
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Sun Dec-16-07 12:50 AM
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I think it's amusing that your "point" is a link that leads to a brief hair-splitting blurb that ultimately proves my point that Obama does not receive a dime from DC lobbyists and Big Business PACs. ;-)
Still no FEC reports that "prove" Obama and Edwards are raking in DC lobbyist and PAC $$$ like Hillary? Don't worry, that's because there ISN'T anything that proves it because it's NOT true.
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maddiejoan
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Sun Dec-16-07 12:54 AM
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That those of us in "HIllaryworld" deal in facts and not propoganda? Tuff Titty. Obama and Edwards are lying when they say they take no lobbyist money. Or hasn't 7 years of fact jiggering been enough for you? http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/10/obama_edwards_and_the_lobbying.html
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ClarkUSA
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Sun Dec-16-07 12:28 AM
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17. Hillary is the ONLY top-tier candidate taking money from federally-registered lobbyists. |
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More than Republicans, even.
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Sun Dec-16-07 12:29 AM
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Edited on Sun Dec-16-07 12:30 AM by ClarkUSA
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ClarkUSA
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Sun Dec-16-07 12:30 AM
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19. Repeat: Obama and Edwards do not accept a dime from DC lobbyists and PACs |
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That little blurb is splitting hairs to the utmost to make a point that Mark Penn would be proud of.
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Sun Dec-16-07 12:52 AM
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is splitting hairs? Obama and Edwards deny they take lobbyist money by splitting hairs. Get it straight. The article I linked to explains why your claim is false. In fact --it explains it quite well. So I'll link to it twice. http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/10/obama_edwards_and_the_lobbying.html
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ClarkUSA
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Sun Dec-16-07 01:03 AM
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27. No FEC report proving that Obama or Edwards takes DC lobbyist and PAC money, right? |
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Link all you want... I've read the silly little piece by Mark Penn's stenographer at the Post and it admits that neither man has taken a dime of federal lobbyist money or a dime from registered lobbyists in DC. Nor have they taken any PAC money. All of that ill-gotten gain has gone to your girl, DLC Queen Hillary.
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maddiejoan
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Sun Dec-16-07 01:06 AM
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28. I didn't post my link to change your mind. |
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I posted it so other people can make up their own minds.
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ClarkUSA
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Sun Dec-16-07 01:11 AM
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29. They can read the snide little piece as well as I and can come to the same conclusion |
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Unless they are Clinton Kool-Aide drinkers, of course. That goes without saying.
I have to say, though -- kudos to Mark Penn for getting all his talking points to the reporter.
Who needs HillaryHub or Taylor Marsh or The Left Coaster or Daily Howler or HillaryIs44, really?
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Sun Dec-16-07 01:22 AM
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And they are free to come to whatever conclusion they like.
I'm informing --not beating over the head.
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Sat Dec-15-07 10:42 PM
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3. "inevitability" a media construct--never a Clinton construct |
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inevitability" a media construct--never a Clinton construct this post is a bigfatlie.
But, hey: she does deserve congrats for the endorsement she received from the Des Moines Regi
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Sat Dec-15-07 10:55 PM
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7. Hillary's nationwide lead increase from 28 points over Obama to 30 over last month - seems |
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to be a lot of noise over the plans of GOP "independents" to not vote for her in caucus and NH primary where GOP "independents" can vote in Democratic Party process.
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ClarkUSA
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Sat Dec-15-07 11:08 PM
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11. According to RCP, her national lead ranges from 10 -30 points |
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Sorry to interrupt your cherrypicking but see the whole facts here: Link: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html So, tell me, how's her trendline in Iowa, NH, SC, and NV, hmm? In a word, downward.
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Sun Dec-16-07 02:01 PM
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31. most recent ABCNews/WashPost Poll. Dec. 6-9 is 30 points with "likely voters" |
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Edited on Sun Dec-16-07 02:10 PM by papau
American Research Group poll. Dec. 9-12, 2007 is 19 points - but nothing to compare it to as it is their first in several months.
trends are within the same org on the 28 going to 30.
polls with smaller margins are those that let in "independents" 0 such as the CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Dec. 6-9, 2007 of registered voters (not "likely" as in ABCA Poll) nationwide who are Democrats or independents who lean to the Democratic Party.
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Sat Dec-15-07 11:07 PM
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10. Ahh yess...the Hillary Hindenburg leaks hot gas and crashes to the earth below. |
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Sun Dec-16-07 02:04 PM
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32. The big problem with basing your campaign on inevitability |
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It doesn't work when the situation turns on you and people really start looking at what you say.
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