The Lieberman endorsement of McCain is actually very good news for Hillary in NH

[Herman Munster]

Hillary has a very large lead among democrats in NH. Where Obama has the edge is in independents. Anything that surpresses independents from voting in the democratic primary is good for Hillary, very bad for Obama. If independents vote for McCain instead of Obama, it will be a very good night for Hillary.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/12/16/lieberman_to_cross_aisle_for_m.html?hpid=topnews

Sen. Joseph Lieberman (Conn.), the 2000 Democratic vice-presidential nominee who currently lists his party affiliation as "Independent Democrat," will break party ranks today to endorse Sen. John McCain's presidential bid, according to sources close to the Arizona Republican The announcement will be made Monday in New Hampshire where Lieberman's moderate credentials may well help convince influential independent voters to support McCain.

"Obviously it helps us with Independents in New Hampshire" said a McCain source familiar with the endorsement. "But the real reason Lieberman is endorsing McCain is because he believes that John is the best candidate on issues of national security and the candidate most prepared to fight war against radical Islamic extremists."

[Olney Blue]

1. The Independents are independent. They won't necessarily listen to an

Independent like Lieberman.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

21. Exactly. It's not like Independent is a party affiliation - it's no party affiliation. nt

[aquart]

2. Why would any independent vote for a Republican?

Is New Hampshire one of those states where anyone can vote in any primary?

[Herman Munster]

3. yup

and 8 years ago McCain got huge support in the New Hampshire primary from independents to win the thing. It made Bushie shit his pants and his team had to come up with all those slurs against McCain in South Carolina that he had an illegitamate black baby to win it...

[Renew Deal]

4. Lieberman got 9% in 2004.

I don't think Obama and McCain share any support. Especially support that Lieberman can move.

Have fun trying to make something out of these numbers. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/epolls/NH/index.html NH is so difficult to predict. I predict that McCain won't get hot this time. :shrug:

[AX10]

5. I hope it does help her.

[williesgirl]

6. Folks who like Lieberman would vote for HRC anyway, they're alike IMHO.

[earthlover]

7. I think Lieberman's support of mcCain would hurt Hillary most....

Hillary is closest ideologically to Lieberman among the Dem candidates. So, if people follow Lieberman off the cliff to McCain, they would largely be former-Hillary-voters.

Obama and Edwards say thanks Joe!

[maddiejoan]

8. Oh please!

Obama is the closest to Lieberman.


sheeeeesh.

[earthlover]

11. Oh really? Then let's look at foreign policy....

Hillary supported IWR. And Kyl-Lieberman. Obama supported neither.

Hillary is easily the most conservative of any of the Dems running for president. Which means she is closest to Lieberman.

Obama is not extremely liberal, but more liberal than Hillary.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. The Candidates Who OPPOSE Universal Health Care Are The Most CONSERVATIVE

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[Renew Deal]

17. Hillary opposes Universal Health care

What she is proposing is universal forced insurance coverage. That causes more problems than it solves.

[maddiejoan]

16. Obama

wasn't in the Senate for IWR, and he sat out K/L --for the record though. Obama has stated many many times his position that IRG should be classified as terrorists.

Hillary's is certainly not to the right of Obama --please look at their histories and voting records before posting such drivel.

[Renew Deal]

18. Prove him wrong

It should be easy to do if you're correct.

[maddiejoan]

19. Ask him to prove himself right.

That's generally the way it's supposed to work.

My above post is easily searchable for truth and has been discussed ad infinitum on DU.

[earthlover]

22. Well, take a look at the political compass....

http://reasonableminds.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/presidential-candidates-on-the-political-compass/

This charts the candidates on a graph, with the liberal-conservative (left-right) on one axis and the authoritarian-libertarian on the other axis.

Sure enough, on the left right axis, Hillary is tied with Richardson as the most conservative (right).

The only Dems on a liberal quadrant are kucinich and gravel, by the way. ALL the rest of the candidates are right of center.

But, unless you can prove me wrong, I will use this as evidence to supplement the common sense observation that Hillary is the most conservative of the Dem candidates, and hence more close to Lieberman.

Listen maddiejoan...if you don't have proof to back yourself up, kindly stop the insulting language towards me. You are starting to sound as mud slinging as your candidate!

[TwilightGardener]

9. I'm pretty sure the Lieberman endorsement will have all the effect of

a fart in a hurricane.

[TSIAS]

10. Joe will help McCain

Maybe he can pull out a 5th place finish, but claim a "three-way tie" for 3rd.

If Lieberman could barely break 10 % himself in 2004, how will he help McCain this time around?

Anyway, if Obama wins Iowa, Indepdents won't give a damn what Lieberman thinks and will vote for the fresh face instead of old retreads like Lieberman and McCain.

[BlueStater]

13. Lieberworm is a man of little integrity and character

Who the hell would want his endorsement? McLame can have him.

[BlueStater]

14. Deleted

Double post. Sorry.

[Justice]

15. Independents supported McCain in 2000; they've turned away from him in 2008

Independents were big supporters of McCain in 2000. Most of those folks don't support McCain now, and no endorsement from Joe Lieberman is going to change that.

[blm]

20. That's why I expect Bill advised Joe to step up for McCain, since his endorsement

would do no good for Hillary in the primary.

Independents were leaning Obama in NH - if McCain can peel some of those off it benefits Hillary.