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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:15 PM
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Voting With Your Heart vs. Voting With Your Mind: My struggle between two Great Candidates
I am currently experiences a massive dilemma with who I should be supporting for President in this current primary. I am at war with the man I have supported since early in the summer, and a man I rallied behind in the spring of 2006.

As you can probably see from my avatar to the left, I am currently supporting Senator Barack Obama for President. But for the longest time, I didn’t really know why. The only thing I knew was who I didn’t support and why I didn’t support them. Hillary Clinton to me is a too calculating of a politician. I think that is exactly what she is. She isn’t as genuine as I would like in fact because she is truly a politician. Secondly, she shares a trait with another Senator that I have issues with, and that is John Edwards. I generally do not trust either candidate. I understand that sometimes candidates evolve, and that is what they have done on the war in Iraq. I don’t quite trust their evolutions, more so to Senator Clinton, though Edwards did co-sponsor the IWR. In a general I can forgive and forget, but in a primary, I want somebody that can best match up to my ideals, and to my visions for this country. Then, late last spring into early summer, I saw this video.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sXzmXy226po

I hear all these people talk about lack of experience and I do agree that Barack’s greatest strength is not his experience. But there is something that he has been running on that I agree with. It’s not as much about experience as it is about judgment. In this video, one can clearly see that he knows what he is talking about. Obama predicted what would happen in Iraq, before the war started with even less intelligence than many of the Senators who voted for the war. One of the reasons he says he wouldn’t have voted for the IWR is because he feels to the administration it would make them feel as if they had the approval to go to war and do what they want. Obama knows what he is talking about and has known for awhile. So finally after viewing this video, I felt like maybe I had my guy. So then I started doing research and I found that I agreed with most if not all of what Obama was saying. Then, he sealed the deal when he came to Madison in October. As cliché as it sounds, Barack Obama truly does inspire me. He inspires me in the corniest ways possible. He inspires me to believe in our political system and in government, that in the right hands we can unite America and get things done. He genuinely moved me that day and ever since then I have been a firm supporter of his campaign.

But for my formal introduction to 2008 presidential politics, one would have to go back about a year before that in the month of April, I witnessed a man do something that I had never really seen before. He went on a late night television show, and inspired me.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rgOy_m5dKvI

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YWY9cyKoQ5k&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pz2ZbV7qsio&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=roNqZQXEV_U&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tEqdjj5VOuk&feature=related


That night on Real Time with Bill Maher was my first introduction to Senator Joseph Biden from Delaware. This man I saw truly spoke the truth. Here, he is speaking about the President and his use of prayer, specifically right after he made the decision to invade Iraq.

“I think he makes these decisions based on his instincts, and then prays he’s right”

Joe Biden is and has always been the most genuine candidate running. He says what he means, and means what he says. He has the guts to talk the talk and then walk the walk. And Joe can do this because he has what it takes to be President. I hear Senator Clinton talk about all the experience she has to be President, but with all due respect, Joe Biden has the argument when it comes to experience. The man has served for 34 years in the Senate. He has been the chairman of the Judiciary Committee and is currently the Chairman of the Senate foreign relations committee. And before everybody else, he had a plan. He had a plan for success in Iraq. His plan has been to split up Iraq. Now some including myself may not think that plan is currently feasible, but I trust Joe Biden. That is something that I don’t have for many politicians. But I trust him.

And I trust Senator Obama as well. I’ve heard him go around and say that he isn’t going to tell American what they want to hear, but instead what they need to hear, and I believe him. I know that he went in front of the auto industry and criticized them. He didn’t make any friends there, but chose instead to tell the straight up truth to an industry that needed to hear it.

But there is nobody more genuine that Joe Biden. Seeing him speak, or during debates, or on television shows, you see this guy give it his all and bear all. I’ve been inspired by his words and brought to tears. This man s has experienced it all in his life, from the tragic death of his wife and child to becoming one of the most respected men in Washington. But he is not a real Washington man. Joe commutes everyday from Delaware to Washington and back. Joe Biden isn’t perfect, but he’s as good as it gets.

I remember having a conversation with a friend during the summer of 06’. He asked me who I was supporting for President. I told him Joe Biden. He told me he had no chance because he didn’t have enough money. At that moment, I realized that maybe Joe Biden wasn’t my man. I had always believed in supporting somebody who I thought could win because I wanted my vote to truly count. But Joe knows about the issue of Money, and in true Joe fashion, he lays it straight out why he doesn’t have the money that he needs:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qAnl7ybDwBg

“I’m allegedly one of the most powerful guys in the United States Senate, why can’t I raise the money? Because no interest group can count on me. None, none, not one.”

So here I am, at a crossroads with my political support. Do I vote with my mind and support Senator Obama? Do I vote for the person I think can definitely win? The man who I think has a chance to lead this country and do great things? Or, do I vote with my heart? Joe Biden is the choice from my heart because I know down there that he is the best person to serve this country. You know I can finally understand what DK supporters feel like. For the longest time I would wonder how they can support somebody even though they know he won’t win. Well for me, it feels good to support Joe Biden. Kinda like what it feels like to vote, or even the thought of buying a hybrid car, just doing my part to make society better, even if in the end, it’s not doing enough. I guess it’s great that I have such good choices. Unlike the 2004 Presidential election, when I thought I was choosing between the lesser of two, this year I’m choosing between the greater of two. Unlike the Des Moines Register’s endorsement of Senator Clinton, I can honestly say that Biden and Obama inspire my imagination, as well as my confidence, that they can change and make an impact in this country. Which one should be stronger, your heart or your mind. Well I am here to say that I don’t know, I honestly don’t know. What I do know is that I need to support Joe Biden because that feels good. So along with Obama, Joe Biden, you have my support and I relish the opportunity to join the community of Bidenites. Go Joe Go and GOBAMA! Hey, who knows, maybe that dream ticket, Biden/Obama is still possible after all.


Your Fellow DUer,

hnmnf
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:31 PM
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1. This might help
Did you know Obama supported and gave a speech supporting Joe Lieberman in March 2006? When I learned that I crossed Obama off my list.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:32 PM
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2. Yes I know that.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:36 PM
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3. Good reason.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:57 PM
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8. That's not a good enough reason
Plenty of senators, including current presidential candidates supported him in the primary.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 03:30 PM
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31. Including Biden. He campaigned for Lieberman in the primary
Edited on Mon Dec-17-07 03:33 PM by maximusveritas
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14117361/
He later endorsed Lamont after he won, but refused to campaign for him against Lieberman.

I don't think it's a mark against either Obama or Biden. They were supporting their Senate colleague.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:38 PM
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4. Biden on the ticket with Obama would give me a great deal of peace
What I like about Obama is his ability to inspire people to have faith in the possibility of this country again. For me, that's not enough. But should he get the nomination, Biden's experience would add a lot to the ticket. I think it would be a great combination.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:43 PM
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5. Heart always
Anytime you come to a crossroads, go with what your heart is telling you. That way you're doing what you want to do. When you're doing what you want, you can't go wrong.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 03:24 PM
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29. But my mind is what I want to do to.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 08:38 PM
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34. Here's how I usually look at it
when I come to a crossroads and have to make a tough decision.

My mind tells me the choice that's practical, what I might think is best in terms of material results.

My heart tells me the choice that's going to make me happier, the choice that's coming from my soul. Sometimes, choices from the heart seem like more of a gamble, but it's the way you gotta go.

Nice OP, btw.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:47 PM
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6. This is one of the best posts I have seen in a LONG time here..
and it has nothing to do with Biden/Obama (both whom I support wholeheartedly). You have laid out a very reasoned and documented argument for your position and done it without animus, but with logic. There IS a lot of heart involved in these decisions. I find myself cheering alternately for Biden, Obama and Edwards.. all. Thank you for sharing this very personal journey with us !
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:49 PM
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7. Its actually take two
I have been wanting to use my journal for awhile now, and after I viewed that campaign finance video, I had a reason. Though I actually typed it all down and then hit post message, and it didnt work and I lost everything.

But yea, Biden was the first I was introduced too (besides Edwards), and its been hard ever since.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 01:59 PM
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9. Bookmarking also for the excellent montage of videos you've provided ! n/t
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:17 PM
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13. Id like to give a shout out to youtube, because they are amaaazing.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:00 PM
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10. K&R'ed for you
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:05 PM
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11. Is winning the primary still MORE important then protecting basic civil rights?
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:16 PM
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12. I ignored Biden at 1st and now he IS my 1st
most likely. I like Obama and Edwards too.

He has made his mistakes as all candidates have, but there are a few things that really started to draw me to him. He has a ton of experience, the respect of foreign leaders (who call HIM, not Rice or Bush, everyone doesn't love him but people on the left and right like him enough that he could accomplish much, I think he would get a lot of the pro-fiscal reponsibility voters that wouldn't like Huckabee, he is a great speaker, and he has an interesting history (youngest senator ever elected, doesn't buy stocks to avoid the conflict of interest, takes public transport to be with his family most days, overcame tragedy). He doesn't need a VP with experience like Edwards and Obama would need if nominated. He could choose Obama, Richardson, a female governor like Sebelius of KS or a western governor like Schweitzer of Montana or anyone. His options are wide open.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:19 PM
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14. If we vote based on money, it'll always be about money.
Which is used to tell others what you already know about the candidate.

15 minutes on Google by more voters would reduce the need for money to run campaigns.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:25 PM
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16. True, but You or me cannot change the system by ourselves
The system is fundamentally flawed. But what I will say is that I am thankful for MIke Huckabee, because I think he is proving that even if you dont raise the money, there is always a chance.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:24 PM
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15. Voting for the winner is the dumbest vote there is
There's only one reason to vote for someone who isn't your first choice, and that's to keep someone else from winning. I have never understood people who want to vote for the winner. If Biden is your choice, that's who you should go for.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:26 PM
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17. But Obama isnt the winner
Hillary is the front runner, and I woudl never vote for her simply because shes in the lead. That is ridiculous. But I love Obama and and I dont like Clinton. So I guess it is almost like voting for him to keep her from winning.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:36 PM
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19. That's a different choice
You said you decided against Biden because you wanted to vote for a winner. That's no way to base your vote.

Voting against someone is a different matter. I would vote against any Republican for President for instance, no matter who the Dem candidate is.

I hear a lot of people say they want to vote for the winner. I don't get that kind of thinking. If everybody did that, everyone would just vote for Hillary and that would be the end of it. Makes no sense to me.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:38 PM
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20. I probably meant I want to vote for somebody who CAN win
And as of now I dont think Biden can.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:45 PM
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22. I think it's one of those things like, "A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush"...
and in this case a vote for Biden probably WOULD be a vote for Hillary if she and Obama are the two front-runners.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:54 PM
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26. I see,
Yes, that is different. If Obama hadn't managed to punch his campaign up, I'd have probably switched support to Biden too. Although, Biden has disappointed me quite a few times with his tough talk. Like when he voted for Condi Rice. What the hell good is the tough talk when you fold on the actual vote time and again. He's gotten better the last couple years, but for a while there, he just seemed to hand Bush anything he wanted.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:39 PM
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21. But winning is everything.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:46 PM
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23. If you wanna fight with me in war of sarcasm, lets do it another time.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:48 PM
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24. Your right, civil rights can just wait.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:34 PM
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18. A lot will happen between now and Feb. 19
so I enjoyed your post. I'm backing Biden for the same reasons but I like Obama as well. The younger guy will make a good VP, but VP would a big step down for the chairman of the foreign relations committee.

Keep evaluating the candidates. You can make a list of all the pros and cons of each one, watch all the videos, and try meeting them if you can. Also consider the sort of people who support each one. What got me drawn in to the Biden camp were his supporters here on DU. Bidenites are wonderful, optimistic people and we don't attack other candidates.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:49 PM
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25. your vote is yours alone
I don't think you should worry about this heart/mind split - that's a media-manufactured split to confuse things. It's just you voting for who you think is the best candidate - that should be the only reason to give someone your vote. If we don't vote that way, we'll have no idea who the people really and truly want to represent them, and democracy is lost for all intents and purposes.
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nyc 4 Biden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 02:59 PM
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27. k&r
I felt the same way before I decided to go with Joe. Thanks for sharing.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 03:07 PM
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28. Thanks n/t.
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dsmmom Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 03:29 PM
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30. If everyone took the time...
you did to really look at the candidates and not just go with who the media presents to them, who has the most money, or who they *think* can win, Joe Biden might be the front runner right now. He simply has the most experience, especially foreign policy, and tells it like it is. He is our best chance to get out of Iraq for good, not just short term. Good luck with your decision!
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 05:06 PM
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32. I feel your angst -- although before I became a Biden supporter, I didn't
feel as strongly about any of the others as you do about Obama. But it was distressing not knowing WHO to align with. At that point, I admit I didn't even think about who could win, I just assumed any of the candidates we have would flatten the Republicans (I'm now not so sure). It's almost as though Biden picked me, for all the reasons you and other Biden supporters have stated.

By the time your primary arrives, maybe Biden WILL be a strong possibility! And I honestly think he has a better chance of going toe to toe with the Rupugs in any debates, as well as to appeal to some on-the-fence republicans and independents.

Good luck to you -- I hope when you make your final decision, you'll be as convinced about it as I am about mine. :hi:

PS -- Thanks so much for those links! I had no idea Joe had been a guest on the panel with a Bill Maher. I've seen him do those "screen interviews", so this was really cool to watch! :headbang"
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 07:29 PM
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33. Yep, its a real tough one. Ive officially am giving equal access to Biden and Obama on DU
Both appear on all my posts. Least I could do for now!
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 09:09 PM
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36. Ha! That's great -- how DEMOCRATIC of you!! nt
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 08:39 PM
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35. Remarkable and thoughtful post
I went to YouTube and watched the clips from Bill Maher. Though I had seen the show in 2006, I had forgotten how impressive Joe Biden was.

Like you, I truly trust Joe Biden. I don't know all the answers, but I know he has the knowledge and experience to make informed decisions. Though I like and trust Obama as a person, I just don't think he is ready for the White House yet. I think he would make a very good VP and would bring a lot of positive attributes to the next administration.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and opinions with us. It is refreshing to read something this insightful on a board that is often cluttered with antagonism and thoughtless bantering.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 09:13 PM
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37. I'm confused about your Avatar...
Your OP says "as you can see by my avatar I'm supporting Obama" but it's actually Biden I'm looking at... did you change your avatar back to Biden since you posted it this morning?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:54 PM
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46. I decided today to change my avatar to Biden and my signature to Obama
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Tashca Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 09:22 PM
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38. Heart
You always go with your heart......I have learned this the hard way.

With that said I am going to tell you something Senator Biden said at a town meeting Saturday here in Iowa. I don't have his exact words, but I'll do the best I can.

He said some in this campaign talk about making Change................and some in this campaign talk about having Experience.

He then said.......it is neither............it is about those that can make ACTION!!

He of course then laid out how that person is him. I think he has a point about someone who is proven in being able to produce action.

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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:58 PM
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43. That is certainly true
He beat the odds many times working on unpopular issues. He was relentless about U.S. intervention in Bosnia and he had few people on his side. That was an amazing accomplishment.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 09:45 PM
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39. I love it how you have a Biden avatar and Obama in your sig line :)
Just keep an open mind to both.

By the time your primary rolls around, you'll know what to do.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:59 PM
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44. I think that is the first time I've seen anything like that here
It really says something, though I'm sure it confuses some people. That's okay, it makes them think.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 09:45 PM
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40. I am SO happy for you!!!
Welcome!!!

I really appreciate how you took the time to look at the big picture!!
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:34 PM
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41. Obama looks an awful lot like Joe Biden in your avatar.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 10:43 PM
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42. Nice post. I feel that this is Biden's time, and Obama's time is coming.
And I sincerely believe that if Biden gets the nomination, Obama will be on the ticket. It makes the most sense for many reasons. They would be unstoppable.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-17-07 11:01 PM
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45. That they would be
A ticket that would horrify the republicans. Their worst nightmare!
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:03 AM
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47. Practically?
In a little over two weeks, either Biden will make a strong showing and continue in the race, or he won't.

Therefore I see no reason for you to pick between them right now. :shrug:
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:22 AM
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48. Its a tough choice
And I am in almost exactly the same position.

I come to it in reverse order but still I am torn the same way. I was originaly for Biden because I think he has been telling the truth for a long time now and he has the best grasp on foreign policy of the field hands down. However I liked Obamas speeches and so started to listen to him more and more. Then as I read this board I was forced to look into him more and the deeper I looked the more impressed with him I became. Finaly I heard about a speech he made at google where the room went nuts over him, so I looked into what it was that caused such a reaction. I read his technology stance and it was there that I was suddenly pushed towards obama as it is an astounding plan to open our goverment wide open to the sunlight. You can read about it on his site under issues.

Anyway they ran neck and neck in my mind for a while after that and then yesterday there was a post here that discussed http://usaspending.gov/. This site was opened December 7th and it allows you to dig through government contracts and see where the money is going. This site is a direct result of legislation Obama put forth cosponsored by republican senator Coburn. Well this put me over the edge. I want honesty back in our government I am tired of the lies and the backroom deals. Obama is clearly commited to bringing democracy back to the people and has the record to prove it.

Joe I love but he has a couple of problems. Yes he doesnt have any money. This will be a problem for him just getting through the primaries. Adds are just starting to run here in Nevada and the only ones I have seen so far are from Clinton and Obama. For a lot of people this advertising will help make up their mind. If joe cant compete there I dont know if he can cary any further than the starting states. I Do not want Clinton So Obama looks like my best chance to stop her.

I am in Nevada so we go thrid and we have a Caucus this year so I can make my mind up based on how the support looks in the room at the time. My theory at this point is to first see what Iowa and NH do then if Joe is still standing and if he looks to be viable in my precinct I will make my decision based on whats going on with hillaries support. If I feel I can throw my support to Joe I will do it. If it apears the only way to stop hilary is by stacking on top of Obama Thats what I will do, If Joew is coming on strong though I think I will stand with him.

Its a touch choice but thankfully I go early and I will be able to see at least a small portion of the lay of the land before I make my final call.

Good luck with you decision. My dream is a Biden/Obama Obama/Biden ticket though I would take it either way.

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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:10 AM
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49. Interesting, thank you
This has been one of the best threads I've read in a long time. It seems to have attracted the more thoughtful people and informative posts.

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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 01:38 AM
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50. Well thank you for that. i just wanted to express my opinion and I'm glad with the resulting convo.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 02:06 PM
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53. My pleasure
And I agree one of the best threads in a while.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:15 PM
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51. Kicking an excellent thread
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 12:16 PM
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52. I'm an Iowan for Biden and proud of it!
I hope to bring my children, grandchildren and all their spouses to the caucuses in support of Joe. I'm sure workin' on it!
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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 04:38 PM
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54. Get em' out for Joe! Shock the world!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 04:45 PM
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55. An Obama/Biden or Biden/Obama ticket would be spectacular.
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 04:54 PM
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56. Kick to the White House!
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 04:59 PM
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57. Which one?
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