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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 04:45 PM
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Edwards Ascendent
The corporate media gave it their best shot. For a solid year they wowed us with the Two Man Race . We had the Fresh Prince of Jakarta and Bill's Golden Gal trading quips, smiling for the camera, jockeying for ratings in their respective time slots and giving the media pundits plenty to talk about---to the exclusion of all else. All else being the other Democratic candidates running for president. The debates featured so many contestants that it was easy to overlook the Vice Presidential nominee from 2004 who entered the fray with a high recognizability and popularity. While the mainstream media gave Hillary and Obama the kind of free publicity that aspiring starlets and serial killers only dream about, they wrote about Edwards in only one context---to create the myth that he was a phony. Early 2007 saw John Solomon of the Washington Post sacrifice what was left of the roadkill that is his journalistic career to pen a series of articles in which he wrote about Edwards house, his hair and (Lord help us) his hairdresser . The jilted homosexual crush subtext of the last story reflected badly only on the hairdresser and Mr. Solomon, who allowed the poor guy to beat his breast in public.

Since I am a readerly consumer of the news (see Roland Barthe's S/Z or my own first journal at DU about "The Readerly News") I noticed pretty quickly that the corporate media was creating a fiction that could best be titled "Edwards is a phony" and I figured it probably came from Karl Rove, who had always said that he feared a John Edwards candidacy, southern Democrats having a tendency to win presidential elections in this country. Edwards, with his populist plans, would be particularly repulsive to the huge corporate media conglomerates, so it would be easy to get journalists to take part in weaving the "Edwards is a phony" story.

Here is what I posted at Daily Kos in February. "From the Corporate Media that Brought You Gore is a Liar: Edwards is a Phony" http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/8/1319/06023/495/299538

Solomon started it, and the press has run with it. Think of how many times name brand journalists have attacked Edwards for "character" issues. At the same time, you could hardly browse through DU, without stumbling over someone posting "That Edwards is such a phony!"

Meanwhile, for a solid year, the press has built up Hillary and Obama as He and She juggernauts, two unstoppable forces on a collision course in the great monster truck show of the Democratic primaries, aka Two Man Race . The myth of the Two Man Race was so deeply ingrained into the psyche of the mainstream media, that I saw Keith Olbermann flash poll numbers from Iowa which showed Obama, Hillary and Edwards in a statistical dead heat, and his guest, E. J. Dionne Jr. (who really ought to have known better) launched into a discussion of Hillary and Obama's chances in that state.

Thank god most people in America do not watch the news or read a newspaper.

Now that Iowa is upon us, the mainstream media is reaching a crisis point that most children experience when they are toddlers. It is not all powerful. No matter how loudly it screams, it can not always get what it wants. Despite all its best (worst) efforts, those irascible Iowa caucus voters are examining the Democratic candidates based upon their words and their stands upon the issues and their histories, and they have decided that they will make up their own minds---as they always do.

The free ride that the press gave Obama, in particular, was not a kindness. It is now late in the political season, and he has not had to face real controversy or challenge. He was declared a front runner for the same reason that actors are declared movie stars---big grosses in the box office. So now, with Edwards coming up from behind thanks to good old fashioned campaigning, Obama must resort to a movie stars tactics in putting him down.

In this NYT article that MSNB (parent co. GE) choose to reprint online:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22319293/page/2/

Mr. Obama’s campaign manager, David Plouffe, questioned Mr. Edwards’s ability to continue to run a strong campaign even if he won in Iowa and, should he win the nomination, to prevail in the general election. Mr. Plouffe cited Mr. Edwards’s difficulty competing with the other leading Democrats and Republicans in raising money, and his decision to accept federal matching funds and the spending constraints they impose.

The practical effect would be to limit his campaign’s ability to spend money between the primaries and the convention at the end of the summer, although he could make up that shortfall to some degree by relying on the party and outside groups to take on the Republican nominee for him.


You got that, right? Obama brings in bigger box office, so he is a better candidate. MSNBC agrees. Money makes the world go round, after all. At least, it makes GE's world go round.

Here is how you can tell that Edwards is the real deal. This is what Paul Krugman wrote earlier this week about the recent debate which even the corporate media was forced to admit that Edwards won. And Krugman knows everything.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/17/opinion/17krugman.html?ex=1355547600&en=b3ebc8d6afdec377&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

At one extreme, Barack Obama insists that the problem with America is that our politics are so “bitter and partisan,” and insists that he can get things done by ushering in a “different kind of politics.”

At the opposite extreme, John Edwards blames the power of the wealthy and corporate interests for our problems, and says, in effect, that America needs another F.D.R. — a polarizing figure, the object of much hatred from the right, who nonetheless succeeded in making big changes.

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The argument began during the Democratic debate, when the moderator — Carolyn Washburn, the editor of The Des Moines Register — suggested that Mr. Edwards shouldn’t be so harsh on the wealthy and special interests, because “the same groups are often responsible for getting things done in Washington.”

Mr. Edwards replied, “Some people argue that we’re going to sit at a table with these people and they’re going to voluntarily give their power away. I think it is a complete fantasy; it will never happen.”


Bingo.

Here is a source that talks about recent changes in Iowa, from Dec. 19:

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/12/a_real_edwards_surge.php

Is John Edwards's surge a media-created phenomenon, a collective reaction formation to the media's desire to see a three-person race, or guilt for building up Barack Obama? Does the media really have that power?

Or are we seeing something more organic?

On Monday, the Edwards campaign recorded more e-mail sign-ups than almost any day in its history.

Over the weekend, the campaign was forced to add four new servers to handle all the web traffic.

Contributions are up online: Thursday and Friday, the two days after the debate, made for one of the highest 2-day totals they've seen in months. (He's been ubiquitous on national television -- morning shows and Sunday shows.)


Media? Guilt? Ha! Have they expressed any shame for "Gore is a liar" ? Have we seen those 2004 Ohio exit polls yet? As for a sudden desire to see a three man race, why? After they have worked so hard to create the fiction of the Two Man Race. And it was going so well. That even had KO drinking the kool aid. I opt for "something more organic" .

Now, the television networks have never liked it when Americans tried to think for themselves, and that goes double for their news departments. The mainstream media is already fighting back. In the NYT story linked by MSNBC, "Edwards is a phony" is introduced:

Political identity
In the process, though, Mr. Edwards is raising questions about his political identity that have followed him throughout this campaign. There is, in this final appeal to Iowa Democrats, no more talk about “two Americas,” and barely a whisper of the optimism that distinguished him from the field in 2004 and which he exhibited as recently as a few weeks ago. He has dropped the attacks that he was aiming just weeks ago at Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Washington politicians, and Iraq is an issue that he mentions almost in passing, albeit with fervor.

Instead, he is issuing a defiant pledge to fight big business, to voters in a state that has been buffeted by national and global economic forces and is still reeling from the closing of Maytag plant in Newton in October.


The reason "questions about his political identity... have followed him throughout this campaign" is because people like the writers at MSNBC have been posing them. But you are not supposed to notice this, so you didn't hear it from me.

OK, if The Two Man Race and Edwards is a Phony are not enough to derail the John Edwards 2008 campaign, what is? Here are a few possible stories that you may be seeing in the days to come.

"Iowa is an oddball state that does not predict anything" This is so not true, but what the hell. The media whores will try anything at this point. Sliming one of the fifty states will seem like a worthy sacrifice for the greater cause of wealth disparity and corporate profits. Do not expect to hear this one unless Edwards wins, since no one wants to piss off Iowa voters and make them vote for Edwards out of spite.

"And Edwards victory in Iowa is actually a victory for both Hillary and Obama, because it denies either of them the win and keeps the Two Man Race Open." Yes, I know this one sounds too screwy for anyone to use, but I have actually heard this one on TV.

"The caucus method favors Edwards, but he can not win a traditional vote." I have heard this one, too.

Do not expect to hear anyone point out the fact that Huckabee is rising in the polls in large part because he advocates a return to true Christianity which emphasizes taking care of the poor and the unfortunate (Edwards' key issues) or that recent polls have shown that a majority of Americans would rather increase taxes to take better care of the poor than cut taxes if it meant cutting social services to the poor. Americans of all political persuasions, left and right as tired of the "me, me, me" mind set that is left over from Reaganomics and they are ready for an altruistic, kinder, more compassionate government. If the people select the candidates that best reflect them (in a fair vote) it will be Edwards and Huckabee.







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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 04:58 PM
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1. So far the Edwards campaign seems to be doing really well -
I am hoping that they continue to roll out the goods at just the right time. In the meantime I'll run over to his website and give a donation sometime before Christmas.

:hi:
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 04:59 PM
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2. Great analysis of the smear campaign against Edwards
The "Edwards is a phony!" meme has been strutting its stuff here at DU for quite a while now. I've seen the other two as well. I ignore them.

John Edwards could beat any republican. I hope he gets the chance.

K&R
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:23 PM
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9. That's not a smear. It's an impression some people have of JE
It's one I'm trying to overcome, because I like his rhetoric and he's addressing things no one else is, but I came by it all by myself, not through the writing of anyone. It's based on several factors, some from his Senate days, some more recent.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:46 PM
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12. It is a smear when the media, or others, repeat it
without being able to back it up. I'm not sure anybody gets it from a vacuum. The RW talking points are out there, and we are all swimming in them and bound to occasionally swallow a mouthful of their water.

I think it's better to support a candidate for their policies, than for their personality. Rhetoric matters.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:08 PM
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17. Agreed: It's better to support a candidate for their policies
Having said that, a candidate is not a blank slate from the day he/she announces. History counts too.
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:56 PM
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14. Yup, you and Bill O'Reilly
Even if he is a phony, that would mean he is pretending not to be what Hillary is. And when Clinton supporters call Edwards a phony, it's hard not to laugh.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:07 PM
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16. *snicker* no matter how often you repeat the lie, I'm still not a Clinton
supporter, *pookums. In fact, I prefer JE to Clinton, based strictly on his rhetoric, *little flower. And I wouldn't know much about O'Reilly; I've never seen his show. Unlike you, *cupcake, I don't tune in to the MSM at all. You seem to know quite a bit about his opinions. Interesting, you MSM addicts, *dumpling.

*Feel free to use your imagination, *pumpkin.
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:27 PM
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23. LOL!
I didn't say you were a Clinton supporter, but it's obviously a meme Clinton supporters do like to harp on. And I find it hilarious. And what makes you think I pay any attention to the MSM? You know what they say about assuming things. Maybe you should try watching this video from Brave New Films.

http://foxattacks.com/blog/22158-fox-attacks-edwards-and-obama?play=1

And what's with all the condescension? Sorry my opinions do not mirror yours. I will admit though, there is nothing funnier than a condescending individual who is wrong.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:31 PM
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24. aww, did your feelings get hurt.
your humor looks a little forced their. You're the one that threw the O'Reilly crap, and yes you insinuated that I was a Clinton supporter. And I wasn't being condescending, just a bit of snark, pumpkin. Throw nasty at me, and you'll get it thown right back- with a bit of interest.
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:41 PM
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27. Yes, because my feelings are affected by anonymous posters
It seems like somebody thinks a bit too much of themself. When did I say you were a Clinton supporter? Clearly I didn't because the best you can come up with is "insinuated." Of course you were being condesceding, when you talk to people like they are small children, that is being condescending.

Sorry that the "Edwards is a phony" meme is shared by O'Really.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 07:26 AM
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48. You are giving me hope, Cali!
"It's one I'm trying to overcome..." Thanks for at least trying!

I wish I could take you to one of his events in Iowa. I doubt you would leave cynical. You would at least understand why some of us are so passionate about his candidacy.

If you are serious about trying to overcome your impression of John, I suggest reading his book called "Four Trials". I bought it the day after I first heard him speak over 4 years ago. I wanted to learn more about him because he seemed too good to be true. But it is true.

I'm sure you know the story about James Lowe. He is the man who John Edwards met earlier this year who wasn't able to speak because of a severe cleft palate and a lack of health insurance. James can now speak because a charitable organization contributed towards a procedure that gave James his voice. Meeting James and hearing his story struck a nerve with John Edwards.

I heard James speak yesterday. I saw the bond between John and James. This is personal for John Edwards. He CARES about the forgotten people in our country. He cares about James Lowe. James Lowe said this about John Edwards..."he is the one". I couldn't have said it better myself.
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cebesius Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:00 PM
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15. inalienable rights
I see you have an image in your signature that reads "I want my inalienable rights back." Are you aware that your esteemed candidate, John Edwards, stripped away some of those very rights from you by voting for the Patriot Act? Maybe if you vote for him he'll be so kind as to give them back to you. Or maybe if you keep ignoring such things you'll just get them back magically. Personally, I would take neither approach.

Dennis Kucinich for President 2008!
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:16 PM
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19.  Edwards says that if elected he will restore habeas corpus, close Guantanamo
and halt illegal domestic spying.
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cebesius Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:26 PM
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22. he is a liar
Edited on Fri Dec-21-07 06:33 PM by cebesius
He also took this oath of office:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."

And he broke it by voting for something so blatantly unconstitutional as the Patriot Act. He has an established history of saying one thing, doing another, breaking his promises, and changing his mind about it afterwards. He is an enemy of the constitution. Do not support him.

Dennis Kucinich for President 2008!
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 06:53 AM
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47. OMG he's a, a, a Politician?
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:06 PM
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3. Thanks for posting. Have sent link to my son who is parroting the "Edwards is phony" meme,
while promoting DK and, hold your nose, Ron Paul!
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cebesius Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:13 PM
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18. RE: Thanks for posting. Have sent link to my son who is parroting the "Edwards is phony" meme,
Edited on Fri Dec-21-07 06:15 PM by cebesius
Thanks, Mom, for bringing our private discussion into the public.

Parroting I am not! I never read any news articles that suggested this before arriving at this notion. My finding was based on independent research and independent thought. And from where do your findings come?

Have you even read the Patriot Act?

Have you even looked at Edwards' voting record?

When was the last time you read the Constitution?
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 10:25 AM
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49. >>Thanks, Mom, for bringing our private discussion into the public.
Edited on Sat Dec-22-07 10:28 AM by tbyg52
Not commenting on the argument itself, just pointing out that this is a *public* site..... ;)

Edited to say:

Hi, cebesius! Welcome to DU! :hi:
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:09 PM
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4. "the media is reaching a crisis point - it can't always get what it wants"...
Hoorah. If the people only stand up for what they/we want, the grassroots revolution will be unignorable ! And that's Truthiness.
Good post.
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cebesius Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:50 PM
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13. John Edwards IS a phony
Edited on Fri Dec-21-07 06:06 PM by cebesius
This analysis could not be more deeply flawed. How can you give John Edwards a pass on the fact that he voted FOR the Patriot Act? There is absolutely no mention of it in your so-called analysis. I think we all know just how unconstitutional it is.

This is the oath he would have to take to become President:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Why would you have any expectation that Edwards, who authorized such unconstitutional legislation, would somehow act to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution with the new unconstitutional powers that he authorized?

He has "CONFLICT OF INTEREST" written all over his face.

I cannot in good conscience support a neoconservative enabler like John Edwards. How can you?

Vote for someone who got it right the first time.

Dennis Kucinich for President 2008!
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 08:55 PM
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33. Dennis may not be living in his car anymore, but you sure remind me of him.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 10:28 PM
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35. Let me know when you wake up. Sheesh....
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 01:42 AM
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43. Dude, give it a rest
we GET IT!
you dont like Edwards...sheesh
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:15 PM
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5. if all else fails
They will always have the Edwards Illegitimate Alien Love Child story to fall back on.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:17 PM
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6. Oh I heard the baby fetus is already betrothed to Bat Boy!
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:20 PM
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7. Taylor, you always grab and hold my attention. Congratulations
for thinking logically, analytically, and for the way you presented it. You nailed GE/MSNBC. EJ Dionne is a surprise - he's usually a little more tempered. It almost seems like you can't be a guest there unless you speak Rovian.

That even held true on Countdown until the last couple of months.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:22 PM
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8. Great post!
I have a little trouble with what you say is Huckabee's advocating of a return to "true Christianity". Huckabee and his Christianity give me the shivers. Perhaps the troubling impression I have of Huckabee and his "true Christianity" is from this same kind of bad media portrayal? I dunno.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:34 PM
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10. their original story was "the coronation of Hillary"
At some point though, it looked too much like a blow-out, and since she was a slam dunk, they switched to general-election attack mode. This was after they had waged an attack on Edwards which was pretty effective, between his wife's cancer, his house, his wealth and his hair, his numbers went way down from where they were.

Also, it is sorta odd for Krugman to call FDR a polarizing figure. Polarizing? True, my dad's dad absolutely hated him, but didn't he win four elections with four landslides? (Well, checking on them I see that he never took over 60% of the popular vote, but his electoral college results were over 85%.)
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:43 PM
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11. Very strong post. You should be proud.
If I had a nickle for every time I heard this on DU-

Mr. Obama’s campaign manager, David Plouffe, questioned Mr. Edwards’s ability to continue to run a strong campaign even if he won in Iowa and, should he win the nomination, to prevail in the general election. Mr. Plouffe cited Mr. Edwards’s difficulty competing with the other leading Democrats and Republicans in raising money, and his decision to accept federal matching funds and the spending constraints they impose.

The practical effect would be to limit his campaign’s ability to spend money between the primaries and the convention at the end of the summer, although he could make up that shortfall to some degree by relying on the party and outside groups to take on the Republican nominee for him.


Or the phony comment. After watching a montage of fox news the other day, I see where people are getting that now.

Again thanks for the post.
K&R
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:21 PM
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20. Reality Check
So the corporate media has been trying to marginalize the Edwards campaign, eh? Well, this weeks' IndependentPrimary.com internet poll had over 110,000 voters, and guess what - Dennis Kucinich took 75% of the votes cast for Democrats. Kucinich was also the overwhelming winner in polls conducted by The Nation, Progressive Democrats of America (PDA) and Democracy for America (DFA). You're playing right into the hands of the corporate media you profess to mistrust. They'll throw you Edwards - But don't dare even mention Kucinich.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:25 PM
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21. I think the M$M ignores them both.
The corporations will give little attention to either Edwards or Kucinich. Edwards has been working hard for years in Iowa and is polling strong there despite the ignoring of the media.
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:41 PM
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26. Re: I think the M$M ignores them both.
Watch any news show. Read any newspaper. You will find stories about Edwards. Granted, not as many as you'll find about Clinton and Obama, but some at least. Nothing on Kucinich. Easily explained, of course - Dennis is the only candidate (including Edwards) who does not accept corporate donations. Dennis is the only candidate in favor of a single-payer, not-for-profit health care system. In other words, he is their worst nightmare. Reason enough to vote for him.....
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cebesius Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:42 PM
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28. he cannot be trusted
John Edwards won't do anything that he says he will. The MSM knows that, and that's why we hear so much more about Edwards than we do about Kucinich.

Dennis Kucinich for President 2008!
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:37 PM
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25. McCamy Taylor
Edited on Fri Dec-21-07 06:38 PM by surfermaw
You expressed my feeling well, far better than I can. Thank you so much. I don't think Edwards has ever been behind in the Iowa C. and I am about disgusted with all the media, with Dan Rather gone, we don't know what the truth is!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:22 PM
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29. I'd say you got it just right
The Edwards is a phony trick is supposed to have the same effect as Gore is a liar

:mad:
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lefty2000 Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:44 PM
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30. Edwards Deserves To Win
I hope the phony smears don't work. We can't afford to have another Republican in the White House, not for a long long time. If they didn't learn from the last forty years they spent in the political wilderness, we need to give them another forty.

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 08:04 PM
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31. Grrrr.Completely aside the point---Tweety and Co, making excuses for Romney
and all his "exaggerations" and "mistakes" like the one about the NRA and about walking with MLK Jr. The consensus was that Romney was just trying to construct a narrative, or was speaking figuratively, or you have to expect candidates to make a mistake during a long campaign.

Where the hell were all these excuses during 2000 when the media pundits were calling Gore a Liar?

Oh, I forgot, Al Gore was opposed to unlimited media mergers.

Catch a rerun of Hardball from this evening or read a transcript to see Craig Crawford, Pat Buchanan and Tweety cut a Republican candidate a football field wide swath of slack.

:nuke:
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 08:57 PM
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34. Saw it today. Threw up a little in my mouth.
Great post again, by the way. We need to keep this kicked.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 08:29 PM
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32. Kick
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 10:57 PM
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36. Awesome post McCamy ~~~~


Great job! ~~~~~
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:13 PM
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37. Kick
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ScooterFibby Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 12:17 AM
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38. When the government is full of crooks...
send in the lawyer... that's Edwards.

It is about time he got a fair shake - but given the concentration of media ownership, that isn't likely.

Time for me to contribute.
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 12:44 AM
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39. You're right about the corporate news
They've tried to bury JRE since the beginning. That's when I started taking a closer look at John Edwards. The neocons are afraid of his anti-corporate stance.

Excellent post. America needs this man right now. I see him as the leader for our last stand.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 01:01 AM
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40. I fervently hope it is a fair vote--but after all we've seen
these past couple of years, you can bet they will be pulling out all stops in November.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 01:09 AM
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41. I'll tell you something about John.
He was considering going into politics and talked about it with his son Wade. Not long after Wade's death, he ran for office. I personally think this helps drive him (those conversations). I think it's connected somehow. I think he wants to make a difference. Don't listen to the media or his Republican critics that continually try to poison the well, particularly in the media rhelm attempting to plant negatives.
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 01:32 AM
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42. Nice post! I would like to add...
There was another great post earlier today. The link was orginally posted by Andy.
Here it is again at DK : http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/21/12043/368/34/425066
I think you will all enjoy it, it's a great read.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 01:57 AM
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44. Excellent post! K&R
Edited on Sat Dec-22-07 02:18 AM by Truth2Tell
You always have something thought-provoking to add to the discussion McCamy.

Thanks for that!

And to my fellow DK supporters up-thread: The media destroys different candidates in different ways. They can't marginalize JE the same way they do DK - he's a past VP candidate and there's only so much they can get away with. So they use other means to defeat him. If you really think Edwards hasn't changed his stripes from his Jr. CFR get-along-in-the-Senate days, you gotta wonder why all the right people seem to want to cut him down?
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 02:02 AM
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45. Very good point Truth, and thank you. n/t
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 02:19 AM
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46. These corporations have been feasting at the table for as long as they have had a seat.
Only the government is big enough to exclude them and challenge them. For instance: California wanted to set it's own higher than federal emission control standards since they've already are meeting those by their own initiative and Cheney met with the heads of the big automakers who complained about decreased profits by this action and therefore Bush's EPA said no.
SAID NO to meeting higher pollution standards in California emissions control because of corporate influence to raise their profit margin. Obama and Clinton would "meet" at the table with them also to be influenced whereas Edwards would just say yes to California and praise them for taking the initiative in creating more fuel efficient and less polluting automobiles...something the automakers should be doing anyway.
I'm for Kucinich because he has better plans on war, energy alternatives, healthcare, and government accountability, the economy and our trade agreements (keep in mind that Edwards agrees with NAFTA, is against impeachment, and made the comment about national health care..."would you want the same government employees who handled Katrina victims handling your health care?"...duh, hell no. I want more efficient government employees handling my healthcare. But I believe Edwards would listen. He was stubborn on impeachment too but nobody's perfect).
My dream ticket...Kucinich/Edwards '08...the truth ticket...nobody owns them and they can't be bought. Why let the press dictate who our candidates are. I feel like I've had Obama and Clinton shoved down my throat. If only Kucinich and Edwards had $50 million more to campaign with...the press would do a different dance to get on that campaign money train.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 11:12 AM
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52. Edwards wants to radically change NAFTA
He sees it sucking us dry
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Unca Jim Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 11:05 AM
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50. ONLY DENNIS
ONLY DENNIS has been persecuted and lied about! ONLY DENNIS is pure of heart an deed enough to be President! ONLY DENNIS! Amen.

Good God, can a thread go by without the Kucinich evangelicals going on? Let Edwards enjoy the return on his hard work and let his supporters be encouraged by the bump.

Have a peaceful Holiday Season everyone! :hide:
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DirtyDawg Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 11:11 AM
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51. You forgot 'Dean is Crazy'...
...in your examples of Gore's a liar and Edwards' a phony. Seems to me that almost immediately after Howard 'let it slip' that one of the first things he would do as President would be to do something about media ownership and restoring the 'Fairness Doctrine'. You could almost hear the scurrying in the MSM front offices to make sure they were doing everything in their power to ridicule and criticize him out of contention - and, of course, Kerry was all for that.

So, hopefully, John won't make overhauling the FCC, breaking up big media and restoring a true 'free-press' an issue until he's got too much momentum for them to do anything about it. In fact, I would love to see him 'taking on' the 'big-business' of corporate media even as the campaign rolls on. As the nominee he could demonstrate what he means by 'standing up the the bastards' in 'real-time' and the more they piled on the better he would 'come off' by pointing out the failures of our corporate media elite in their role as 'honest brokers'. After all, in my mind taking back our country needs to start with corporate media...it's fundamental to any successful coup.

Of course he's got to win in Iowa, make a strong showing in NH and win in SC, but if he pulls it off, it's over and Obama and Hillary will be looking to cut a deal with President-elect John Edwards.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 11:13 AM
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53. I like that picture!
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 12:53 PM
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54. Go John! nt
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 02:49 PM
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55. I really respect you guys who can put out great posts
like this one...Most of my ideas and thoughts are NOT so coherent.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 02:52 PM
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56. Man, I'm with you on that one.
It was one of the best posts I've ever read, here or anywhere else.
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:01 PM
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57. What an awesome post
Thank you. This is excellent!
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:22 PM
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58. K&R. Go Edwards! n/t
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 12:24 AM
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59. ALL DU'ers for EDWARDS please KICK and LINK TO THIS whenever you hear "phony"
Edited on Sun Dec-23-07 12:26 AM by FlyingSquirrel
I just heard it.

k
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 12:48 AM
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60. Just saw it. n/t
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 04:39 PM
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61. If it walks like a duck
And quacks like a duck....
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 05:13 PM
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63. Look how clever you are!
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 05:13 PM
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64. You mean, if you repeat the same thing often enough....
people will believe it. Unfortunately some of us still think for ourselves instead of letting the media do it for us.

:eyes:
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 05:08 PM
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62. We are repeating the mistake of 2004, nominating likes of Kerry...
Dean & Hart would have energized the base which the elitist Kerry could not.
We fell for his touted "military" experience and nominated him, the got whacked by
the swift boataers.

In 2008, if we nominate Hillary or Obama, it will be another blunder.
Hillary has the most negatives of any candidate, plus whitewater, Rose firm records,
Monica, & IWR vote to deal with.

Obama is half muslim parentage, miniscule congressional experience and zero executive
experience. In post 911 world, the repugs will exploit him mercilessly.

Edwards on the other hand has almost no negatives except that expensive house & haircuts.
Those are not going to hurt him. He spent his own money. He is a white southerner in the
mold of Bill Clinton & Carter. He is by far more electable.

But I have this sour feeling in my stomach that we will nominate the wrong candidate again.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 05:15 PM
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65. I'm thinking we won't.
I was a Kerry supporter last time, and I'm an Edwards supporter this time. My thought process has changed and now I'm not just playing to not lose. I have a feeling many others are in agreement.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:33 AM
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66. Looks like this was simply a foreshadowing of things to come..
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