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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:38 PM
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Thoughts on Barack Obama: a parable about racism and homophobia
So, Presidential candidate Henry Booth really wants to win the State X primary.

He and his advisors have done the math. He needs the good ole boy, white male vote to pull it off.

His opponent, Florence Dowell, has the black vote pretty well wrapped up, and she and Henry are competing for the white Democratic vote, which will swing State X one way or the other.

Henry is a center/liberal kind of guy. He's pretty good on most issues, pro choice, was against the IWR, is a fiscal moderate. But he desperately needs State X to give him momentum for the nomination.

He knows the good ole boy white vote in State X is quietly racist. Old school bigotry. Nothing overt, as that isn't accepted anymore, but privately held views, hardened in stone.

Henry and his advisors decide to hire Chet Strummer to sing at Henry's big fundraising event down in State X. Chet Strummer is a very famous country singer, with a tawdry racist background. Chet was in the Klu Klux Klan when he was a younger man, and publicly, as an entertainer, had fought hard against busing and affirmative action. He comes from a family that had staunchly opposed integration a generation earlier.

Word of Ole Chet's singing at Henry's fundraiser filters down to the black community, where many are enraged. They demand that Henry's campaign remove the racist country singer from the roster.

Henry's campaign refuses. Henry issues a statement which reads:

"I have clearly stated my belief that African Americans are our brothers and sisters and should be provided the respect, dignity, and rights of all other citizens. I have consistently spoken directly to white religious leaders about the need to overcome the racism that persists in some parts our community so that we can confront issues like sickle cell anemia and broaden the reach of equal rights in this country.

I strongly believe that African Americans and the white community must stand together in the fight for equal rights. And so I strongly disagree with Chet Strummer's views and will continue to fight for these rights as President of the United States to ensure that America is a country that spreads tolerance instead of division."

The Henry Booth fundraiser goes off as planned. It is a huge success, and thousands of good ole boys and their wives and sons and daughters turn out for it.

And, surprise, Chet Strummer doesn't just sing at it. He is the Master of Ceremonies from beginning to end. And at the end, he addresses the racism issue, declares he isn't a racist, and then proceeds to launch into a diatribe against affirmative action and talks about the "cultural heritage" of white people and how it is under siege in this country. He touches on every white supremacist code word he can touch. The crowed eats it up and the event is a big hit.

The blacks in State X are furious. They demand an apology from Henry Booth, but never receive one. Henry Booth blithely goes on campaigning, and the event is soon forgotten in the heat of succeeding campaign events.

And Henry Booth's poll numbers pop up nicely. Looks like he might just bag State X after all.

Would you vote for Henry Booth?


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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:41 PM
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1. thank you
great post
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:42 PM
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2. Nice.. managed to get Barack's name, racism and homophobia in the title. ::wild applause::
I don't know about Booth, but I'd sure as hell vote for Obama. Answer your question?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:43 PM
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3. wow just wow
so you would consider voting for a person who had a racist mc too.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:44 PM
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4. It does for me.
You must not believe in equality when it relates to sexual orientation.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:48 PM
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6. Couldn't be further from the truth. But I don't have to defend myself to you
simply because I'm sick to DEATH of these innane, sliming posts. You must believe in the politics of personal destruction. Congratulations.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:51 PM
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8. So telling the truth about exploiting bigotry
is now "sliming" and "innane?"

I don't follow your logic.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:52 PM
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9. It's ok, dear, you can admit that gay-rights just aren't an issue for you.
That doesn't make you less of a Democra.......wait, yes, it does.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 08:03 PM
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12. Is this the new catch phrase:
"You must believe in the politics of personal destruction." The only things slimey about this OP are Obama's actions. He did ignore the protests of the GLBT community by did allowing a homophobic bigot to MC and speak at his gospel tour.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 10:06 PM
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20. No you don't. And thanks for speaking truth to power.
I'm only surprised the OP didn't mention cocaine, Muslim, and "secular madrassa". ;-)


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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 10:34 PM
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23. Unfortunately
in this case, we're the ones speaking truth to power.

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 10:40 PM
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24. Yeah, you're a veritable Bill Shaheen that way.
:rofl:
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 10:51 PM
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25. I'm saddened that you find bigotry amusing
I think you will find that this is a burning issue for people, because it strikes to the heart of issues such as gay teen suicide and hate crimes. Enabling people like Donnie McClurkin is a very dangerous thing - it HURTS people. In real life. Put aside the issues of human rights and equality and just think of the young, gay black kid in the South with no where to turn and a family full of people who believe all the bigotry people like McCLurkin spew. That kid is powerless, there is no one on his side, and he has this big, horrible secret that he can't even tell his own flesh and blood about. These are the kids that are at high risk for suicide and/or violence. A lot of us don't think this is a laughing matter, nor do we view it as a political cudgel. Obama needs to apologize for this and make it right. It caused a lot of anger and real pain.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 10:59 PM
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27. Has Hillary fired her homophobic SC co-chairs yet?
*crickets*
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:15 PM
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32. What does Hillary have to do with this?
I'm not voting for her (in the primaries) and there are many issues where I think she's dead wrong.

To keep misdirecting attention away from what Barack did by pointing to Hillary misses the point entirely.

This is about Barack Obama and the fact that he did something extremely immoral to a large community of people; exploiting the hatred of an entire community to gain votes is simply not a good or decent thing to do.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:31 PM
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40. Gimme a break.
His record on LGBT issues speaks for itself. You keep beating a dead horse while conveniently ignoring that. I'm done kicking your bogus thread.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:37 PM
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41. His *actions* speak louder than his words
which is why there are so many people who cannot forgive or forget this until he comes clean about it.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:44 PM
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5. I'm sure that the gays and lebsians at DU thank you for your support.
:sarcasm:
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:49 PM
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7. So now anyone who supports Obama is a homophobe? OMG.. that's just a stretch.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:58 PM
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10. I think only those that are not troubled by BHO's decision on this matter.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 08:00 PM
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11. No, but anyone who supports him IS CONDONING homophobia.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 08:29 PM
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14. Baloney. I support Obama and I'm not a homophobe. He made
a bad decision and has been lambasted for it. I'm very sorry he hurt so many feelings and wish he had never gone there. His judgment was wrong, period, but unlike some people here, I won't condemn him solely for this decision.
To dismiss his whole campaign, for months on end, for a decision he made, seems very unfair to me. Tell me the name of your candidate, I'll find something they did wrong. And if you've found a candidate without warts, please share.

Donning flame-proof suit... :hi:

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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 08:33 PM
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15. I don't think you're a homophobe
I think there are a lot of Obama supporters who aren't homophobes.

But "translating" the McClurking debacle into racial terms hopefully enables some folks to more fully understand how morally unacceptable this episode was.

I don't think there are "good, moral people" who believe that gays are second class citizens. My belief is that if one believes that gays are second class, one is neither good nor moral.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 09:38 PM
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17. Thanks, ruggerson.
I agree, if one believes gays are second class, they are neither good nor moral. I don't think Obama agrees gays are second class, he made a political decision that he should have reconsidered. I think he is moral and good.

http://www.issues2000.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Civil_Rights.htm
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VarnettaTuckpocket Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 10:07 PM
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21. Then you're in disagreement with your candidate
Edited on Fri Dec-21-07 10:10 PM by VarnettaTuckpocket
who recently told The Advocate "There are good, decent, moral people in this country who do not yet embrace their gay brothers and sisters as full members of our shared community." That quote is what Ruggerson was referring to, if you didn't know that. And I know Obama couches it the softest possible language, but that is still what he's saying. You can be a homophobe and still be good, decent and moral, according to him. Now can you imagine a white candidate being able to get away with saying the same thing about racists? Never in a million years, a quote excusing racists as decent and moral would ruin a politician's career. It's that double standard that pisses us off, and why we're never going to forget it, especially without an apology.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 10:56 PM
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26. "I think there are a lot of Obama supporters who aren't homophobes."
Gee...that sure is charitable of you. :eyes:
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:11 PM
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31. What are your thought on the OP?
would you vote for that person in the primary?
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VarnettaTuckpocket Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. Barack = Henry Booth, if they can't say they'd vote for Booth..
Then they haven't made a case for why it's ok to ignore the McClurkin fiasco, and vote for Obama. It's the exact same situation, the minor adjustments made would be irrelevant to anyone who truly believes in the principle of equality.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:18 PM
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35. You pose a thought-provoking hypothetical...and I appreciate your perspective.
Edited on Fri Dec-21-07 11:24 PM by jefferson_dem
Ultimately, I would need to judge the candidate within the broader context of his or her overall message and full set of policy positions, coupled with a consideration of the qualities and deficiencies of the other candidates running.

Bottom line...this would not be a disqualifier for me.

EDIT: I don't necessarily stipulate that the Booth - racist situtation is totally representative of the Obama - Donnie McClurkin situtation.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:26 PM
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38. That's valid
and I think you can understand why, for some people, it is a deal breaker. Civil rights and human rights are pivotal, non negotiable issues in my book.

Again, were Obama to issue an apology which shows that he gets this, and he understands that what occurred was wrong, it would go a long way towards healing the divisions he claims he wants to heal.

The interview that Varnetta references is very troubling. I can't separate people from their bigotry. I truly don't think that people are "good, decent and moral" if they are homophobes.

I think the government, just as it did in the civil rights movement, is going to have to lead the way on this, not follow. Push for equality, even when you have churches screaming at you. I want a leader who understands that and has the guts to do it.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 12:37 PM
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63. Re: your edit
"EDIT: I don't necessarily stipulate that the Booth - racist situtation is totally representative of the Obama - Donnie McClurkin situtation"

I'm curious as to how you think it differs.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:22 PM
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36. And that's it right there!
Sounds simple, so why is it so hard to get?
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VarnettaTuckpocket Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:25 PM
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37. None so blind as those who refuse to see n/t
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 09:08 PM
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16. Let him apologize. He's arrogantly refused.
And yes, my candidate is not perfect. It's just that he's a real Democrat and Obama's a treacherous fake.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 10:21 PM
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22. Hi babylonsister
His judgment was wrong, period,

And...

Tell me the name of your candidate, I'll find something they did wrong. And if you've found a candidate without warts, please share.

It is not that Obama made a mistake, we all make mistakes, it is that he has made no effort to apologize for his mistake. He does not recognize his mistake and therefor he can not fix it, and he can not assure us that it will not happen over and over again. Gay rights < straight rights = bad candidate, no vote.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #22
29. Thank you as well.
I think he should apologize also as it means so much to so many, but if he did, who would care? All I see is continual bashing. Check this out...

http://fromtheleft.wordpress.com/2007/11/18/ive-decided-to-support-barack-obama-for-president/
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:02 PM
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28. No. But obviously gay rights is just not an issue for you.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:10 PM
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30. Sorry to rain on your smear-parade but ...
Edited on Fri Dec-21-07 11:11 PM by jefferson_dem
Some people are able to simultaneously support Obama and place a premium on gay rights as an issue. In fact, some people, such as myself, might actually see these two orientations (support for Obama and gay rights) as mutually-reinforcing.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #28
43. Bluebear, attack me, and let's talk. If this an issue you have with me,
let's chat. Come on, are you picking fights?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 02:31 AM
Response to Reply #43
48. I am not attacking you.
Edited on Sat Dec-22-07 02:33 AM by Bluebear
If you look, my answer was to the person who said "anybody who supports Obama is a homophobe".

I said that is not true, however the poster in question has made it clear that the gay rights issue does not interest them personally. I don't feel that way about you, although I am sad to see you say "it's politics".
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 02:41 AM
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50. But it is politics, all of it. You must know that given
Obama's history. This election is really important. Gay rights are really important, but to discount one candidate is decreasing your options. Yes! Why didn't he apologize? I agree, and have no answer. Why didn't Clinton apologize for her Iraqi vote? I have no answer. :shrug:

I know the gay issue effects people deeply. I can't be sorrier. I can't do a damned thing about it.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 02:43 AM
Response to Reply #50
51. As you know,
I will be supporting Obama should he win the nomination. I look forward to the day when we have a person of color in the White House. Maybe he will be the one, we shall see.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 02:49 AM
Response to Reply #51
53. Actually,
if I knew, I forgot, so I didn't know. Ha! I'll be around for the holidays, but if you aren't, cheers to you, Bluebear. Here's to another year of fighting the good fight.
And I don't know about Obama, but I do have a visceral hope about him; I think he will do wonders. A change is needed!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 02:54 AM
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55. I'll be here.
:hug:
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VarnettaTuckpocket Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 08:26 PM
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13. You left out what Henry Booth told Essence magazine during the aftermath
Translating Obama's comments in a recent Advocate interview into racial terms:

"The events of the last several weeks are not the occasion that I would have chosen to discuss America’s divisions on African-American rights and my own deep commitment to African-American equality. Now that the issue is before us, however, I do not intend to run away from it. These events have provided an important opportunity for us to confront a difficult fact: There are good, decent, moral people in this country who do not yet embrace black people as full members of our shared community."

Oh yeah, Mr. Booth really would've been able to get away with saying that racists are good, decent, moral people. That quote would've been splattered all over the news for weeks. Booth's political career would've been toast. But of course Obama got away with saying the same thing about homophobes.

I also wanted to work the Obama campaign release saying McClurkin only wants to help the "unhappy gays", into Henry Booth's scenario, but couldn't figure out how to translate that shocking insult into racial terms.

But my anti-McClurkin cohorts, please work the Advocate quote and the "unhappy gays" crap into more of your posts, it doesn't get brought up enough. I've seen Fred do it, but it's been forgotten for the most part.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #13
62. I hope everyone reads your post
Edited on Sat Dec-22-07 11:48 AM by ruggerson
because this quote is, in some ways, even more disturbing than the McClurkin event.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #13
65. Obama's campaign released an official statement that said:
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 11:43 PM by FredScuttle
"DONNIE DOES NOT WANT TO CHANGE GAYS AND LESBIANS WHO ARE HAPPY WITH THEIR LIVES"

edit: sorry, did not read your post closely enough the first time
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 09:58 PM
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18. Excellent post.
I'm waiting for the first person to say "but that's not the same" and try to explain why it's different.

The fact is, anyone who considers what Obama did anything other than completely unacceptable pandering to homophobia does so because on some level they see homophobia as acceptable. The same people who defended Obama in real life would probably be asking for "Henry Booth" to be tarred and feathered.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 12:56 AM
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44. Blah blah blah bullshit.
He fucked up, OKAY? Tell me all about your perfect candidate, and I can't wait, cause I'm tired of this bullshit.

The fact that you even bring up 'tarred and feathered' to anyone is sick. The fact that it is being brought up is a lesson.:puke:
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 01:32 AM
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45. You know plenty about my candidate already.
Edited on Sat Dec-22-07 01:55 AM by Harvey Korman
And if he "fucked up," he should have apologized.

The fact is, he didn't because it was calculated and deliberate. He didn't even condemn McClurkin's words as hate speech--he just said he "strongly disagreed" with them. Yes, Barack, I "strongly disagree" with the KKK, too. See how ridiculous that sounds?

Obama will continue to own this, as far as I'm concerned, until he acknowledges it fully. "Fuckups" like this will continue to happen if we let them happen, and the days of us "just getting over it" are over. They have to be, because this shit has to stop.

People like McClurkin can no longer be legitimized by our political leaders. If we sound like a broken record, it's because no one seems to hear the music.

I don't understand your outrage over the expression "tarred and feathered," but I have a feeling it's overblown.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 10:04 PM
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19. What about Florence Dowell's grocery store that employs KKK members?
Edited on Fri Dec-21-07 10:08 PM by zulchzulu
Granted, Florence Dowell seems to get a free pass on so many issues. Don't forget that Chet Strummer sang at some events with her first husband who got caught cheating on her...wait, they still hitched?

Ain't they the ones that writ down the laws 'dat no nigguhs can git married and if they likes each other, dey bettuh hush dem mouths?

Uh, uh, uh...lotsa people be thankin' they's ain't nuttin' but trash anywho.


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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:17 PM
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33. he did what he had to
to get the black, religious oriented, democratic vote in SC. It's a new type of politics that doesn't rely on negatives.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #33
39. I honestly cannot tell if this is sarcastic
If it is, kudos for perfect pitch.

If it is serious... wow.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. I was channeling
Edited on Fri Dec-21-07 11:48 PM by mitchtv
an old queen I once knew.
Local politics, pure and simple. He knew it would cost him , but must win now , comes first. worry about "gays" later
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 02:16 AM
Response to Reply #33
46. That's exactly what he did. He pissed a lot of people off on DU, but
how many straight, black, religious Dems did he enthuse? It's politics.
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VarnettaTuckpocket Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 02:23 AM
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47. Oh he enthused the homophobes!
I don't know why people keep defending you, but I can't wait till they find this little indefensible gem you've typed out. Bigotry apologist.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 02:33 AM
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49. Get over yourself.
Obama wanted the straight, black, religious vote. He weighed his options. I don't have to like it, and
who the fuck are you to ask about why people are defending me? Bigotry? People might say a lot of things about me, but a bigot I will NEVER be.
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VarnettaTuckpocket Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 02:47 AM
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52. He just "weighed his options" "It's politics"
"Obama wanted the straight, black, religious vote."

And you think the only way to get that was by appealing to their homophobia? That wasn't just weighing his options, and that wasn't just politics. Pandering to homophobes was unnecessary and inexcusable.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 02:52 AM
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54. Sigh. He hired a popular musician. I can guarantee he didn't
hire this guy to appeal to anyone's homophobia. You are making mountains out of molehills, and I'm leaving it at that. Have a nice evening!

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VarnettaTuckpocket Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:04 AM
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58. You're making a molehill out of a mountain
Edited on Sat Dec-22-07 03:19 AM by VarnettaTuckpocket
Never answered the question about what would've happened if it was a white candidate who hired a white supremest, never apologized for it, and referred to white supremests as "good, decent, moral people." Would that have just been a molehill? Think so? Well that's utterly ridiculous, if a candidate hired a white supremest to emcee one of his fund-raisers and excused white supremests as good and decent, that candidate's career would've been toast overnight. But you never addressed that, you never addressed how much more hot water Obama would've been in if he was a white candidate who hired a white supremest, and now you're high tailing it for the hills.

And by the way I didn't call you a bigot, I called you a bigotry apologist, which is what your beloved Obama is as well.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 02:57 AM
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56. I'm sad and disappointed
to hear you say that. :(
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:04 AM
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57. Don't be. Why? Don't you think that was his intent, as a politician, to
Edited on Sat Dec-22-07 03:05 AM by babylonsister
embrace the biggest voting groups he could? That's what politicians do. If you don't think so, think again.

And what might 'I' have to do with it? Not a thing.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:13 AM
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59. That's not an excuse.
Edited on Sat Dec-22-07 03:14 AM by Harvey Korman
And I'm sad to see you excuse what he did that way. I don't think you're justifying it or condoning it, but you're excusing it. At least now you're getting real about who and what Barack Obama is--just another politician, not some messenger of "hope" or whatever other nonsense he markets himself as. Just another celebrity politician who needs the votes and will step on who he needs to to get them.

Well, I'm even more determined now to help make sure this sticks to him for good. I guarantee you after this election cycle no Democrat will want to pull a "McClurkin" ever again.
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VarnettaTuckpocket Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:14 AM
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60. Right on, great post! nt
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:21 AM
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61. 'just another politician, not some messenger of "hope" or whatever other nonsense he markets himself
:nodding:

That's where I am with Obama. He was billed as some new breed of "hopeful" politician, for "change", and he revealed himself to be as calculating as the next one. That is what disappointed me with him.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:12 PM
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64. Well done
If that doesn't spell it out, I don't know what will.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 12:27 AM
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66. Great effort. Hardened in stone seems not to be generational
When it comes to homophobia as well.
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 12:33 AM
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67. Oh. My. God.
You put that so well. People just haven't been getting what we are so pissed off about.
Recommended highly.
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