Wait out the clock or impeachment hearings?

[rabies1]

I signed the petition at wexlerwantshearings.com to start impeachment hearings. Then
I heard Senator Conyers on Democracy Now say what I've heard others say before: we don't think we should start with impeachment hearings because it's too near the end of Bush's term to be worth it.
Well - One year is still a very long time in my mind.
When you think of the daily exposure of scandals, decent bills being vetoed, nothing being done against global warming (or healthcare or anything else), we've got 2 wars going on now, will he add a third?
Think about it;
January,
February,
March,
April,
May,
June, etc.
What do you think we'll feel like by the time August rolls around?
When do we say "Enough already"?
I feel it's better to do SOMETHING than nothing.
Show one another and other countries we do NOT feel this is acceptable.
We are NOT in agreement with this administration.
Why lay there getting kicked and kicked to wait out the clock?

Does anyone agree with this??

[Bobbieo]

1. What makes anyone think

Bush is going to leave the office. After all he has the Natiomal Security and Homeland Security Directives to fall back on and can declare a national emergency anytime he wants to.

He still can raise all kinds of hell for this country and no one seems to stop him!!!

[Fovea]

3. After all

he has gotten almost everything he wanted, with no real opposition.

Only privatizing social sec has been denied him, so I predict that once he assumes command of the state of emergency martial law, he will do it by fiat, along with the rest of the civil service.

[onenote]

16. a grip on reality

is what makes most people believe chimpy's going to leave office. Enjoy your fantasy world.

[99th_Monkey]

2. What was Conyers' reason a year ago for his footdragging on impeachment?

There was certainly time then, but instead of promptly beginning hearings after the 06 mid-term elections,
he blathered on about "not having the votes, too much other 'important' business", etc.

I used to respect Conyers, but he has been a colossal disappointment on this issue, pandering to Speaker "off the table" Pelosi
and her blue dog ilk. shame on these spineless cowards, shame, shame.

[Bobbieo]

4. After All - Bush has pretty well screwed up the Civil Service with his Agency and Dept head

political appointees. They are all under his thumb, now. That is too bad as being a Civil Servant was once an honorable profession - not any more!

[99th_Monkey]

9. Ironically, civil "servants" are even less culpable than elected officials like Conyers

civil servants can be fired by Bushco for not towing the lying line of the day, but Bush
can't "fire" Conyers or any other congressperson, but you wouldn't know it by the way they
still tow Bush's line on demand.

[rabies1]

11. Do you think Conyers is being blackmailed?

I'm sorry but that's the only reason I can think of for why he wouldn't absolutely jump at the possibility of impeachment.
The bottom line is: I think one year (at about 30 days each month), with some horrible story or scandal almost daily is way too long a time to wait and hope things turn to our favor next election.
I'm fed up right NOW.

Can you just imagine what horrible things will we have gone through by the time July hits?
How much worse can we let things get?

[99th_Monkey]

14. I seem to remember some RW blather about Conyers' staff doing personal errands

and babysitting and the like which is technically improper ... I began hearing this stuff back when JC was
sounding serious about impeachment. But it's hard to believe that would deter him, given the relatively
tame nature of his impropriety compared to the Bush Crime Family's laundry list of high crimes and misdemeanors..

they must have something a bit more damning than that to blackmail him. It really is the only thing that
seems plausible... except of course Nancy threatening to remove him as Chair of Judiciary might have done
the trick too i guess.

[sjdnb]

5. How many crimes will it take ...

for the Bush Admin (i.e., appointing people for political vs competency; no-bid contracts to vendors who have been found guilty of fraud/corruption; corruption/fraud/incompetence at all levels remains unpunished; political firings/attacks - Medicare, Judges; propaganda disseminated as news; unwarranted/unconstitutional spying on American citizens; unconstitutional stripping of habeas corpus followed by torture; manipulating intelligence to suit their ambitions resulting in hundreds of thousands of troops and civilians dead or wounded, etc.) to be held accountable by SOMEONE for their crimes against humanity, democracy, and the rule of law?

If this is allowed to go unpunished, say good bye to the America our Founding Fathers envisioned.

[Bobbieo]

6. Does anyone really believe Bush is setting up

this wire tapping and surveillance crap to pass onto a Democratic president and Congress? This is why I am not too concerned about our next president because he is already here.

[sjdnb]

8. Huh?

I'm sure if I drank more this would make sense, but as I am still sober ....

[elocs]

7. The reality is that once we get into 2008 and the full swing of an election year,

impeachment is never going to happen. I realize that when Bush leaves office and has not been impeached (or convicted--damn!, isn't that an important part of the process) and the Republic has survived despite the relentless dire, doom and gloom here about the end of the world as we know it (major bummer when that doesn't happen, though), there will be all kinds of exploding heads. But not to worry, there will always be something.

[dmosh42]

10. Dem leadership are "collaborators" in this.

They know that many illegalities have been carried out, but in some of them, I think they were complicit. So if impeachment hearings went forward, the Dem leaders would also be exposed. But what is dangerous is the future administrations being able to 'cover-up', just like this gang. Rememeber, Nixon was impeached because of the newspaper's exposing him and keeping up the pressure. We don't have that type media anymore, with all the big corporations keeping the muzzles in place.

[CK_John]

17. Nixon was never impeached. n/t

[dmosh42]

21. Ooops, little slip of memory!

But he did resign due to media pressure.

[Armstead]

12. I'd rather see him get his butt kicked legislatively

Impeachment would not be necessary or desirable at this point if the Democratic Congress does its' job.

[OzarkDem]

13. Dems can't do anything legislatively

but they can begin impeachment hearings and bring the crimes of the Bush administration to light. The public will put the necessary pressure on their reps to follow through.

[frogmarch]

15. I'm all for impeachment, but

the clock is ticking away, and it doesn't look as if it's going to happen.

I suppose it's probably also futile to hope that bushco will be charged, tried, and convicted for crimes against humanity, and tossed in the slammer for the rest of their sorry-ass lives.

[rabies1]

19. See? That's why impeachment needs to happen.

We need to repair the world view of us. We need to repair our own view of our country.
Waiting out the clock will take way too long when you think of the many more scandals to come. What do you think our ulcers will be like by the time summer rolls around?

Some people here seem to have a rather sad view of our future anyway.
Such as...
Bush will remain president by declaring marshal law.
The republicans fixed the last 2 elections so it's bound to happen again.
But I can't see it like that - he'd better not declare marshal law and they'd better not fix the elections. I don't see it happening without a real fight.

He'll just keep on asking for more money(war funding), more tax cuts for the rich, continue spying on us all and looking for reasons to arrest us. We have to get them out of office in order to accomplish anything decent. The thought of putting on hold for another year healthcare, global warming, etc. - I can't imagine putting up with this.

[MGKrebs]

18. Keep pushing him on all fronts: US Attorney scandal, Abramoff, Meirs and Bolton,

CIA tapes, phone jamming, signing statements, Meirs and Bolton, torture, and on and on. If we ever get close to enough votes to impeach, go for it. Each scandal likely pushes another Repub or two over the line.

[rabies1]

20. Yeah. You said it!

It seems word gets passed along even though the media is not helping. Fox news, Murdoch wont report anything real. (The fact that we get the news anyway makes me smile).
It's a heck of a battle though, sometimes it beats your heart down and makes you not like this country. Maybe that's the saddest thing about this.
But I too am going to continue stating the facts, trying to do what I can, and hoping things will turn around.
But I miss my country don't you?