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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 05:39 AM
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John Sasso: Why Clinton will prevail
Source: Boston Globe

JOHN SASSO

Why Clinton will prevail
John Sasso

By John Sasso
December 22, 2007

SOME RAINDROPS have started to fall on Senator Hillary
Clinton's parade to the Democratic presidential
nomination. In the early primary races of Iowa, New
Hampshire, and South Carolina, rival Barack Obama has
pulled even or ahead and the longstanding Clinton badge
of elective inevitability has come under question.

Despite the Barack Obama zeal, I believe Clinton will
prevail. And if she is the nominee, I believe she is the
most electable and least vulnerable Democratic candidate
to face the Republicans.

I was more uncertain a year ago when she announced her
candidacy. Then she had recognizable strengths but at
the same time possessed familiar handicaps both political
and personal. She was routinely portrayed as contrived,
a woman whose high intelligence had an impersonal edge
and whose real identity was difficult to locate.

That was then. Today Clinton has forged herself into a
formidable political leader. She has undergone a
remarkable journey. In the face of unending autopsies on
her personal and political past, unrelieved targeting at
both Democratic and Republican debates, the punishing
demands imposed on a woman candidate, she is still
standing unflinchingly in place.

-snip-

Read more: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/12/22/why_clinton_will_prevail
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 06:45 AM
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1. He captures much of what I think...
...knock her down, she gets back up.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 07:11 AM
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2. It's sad we have a strong contingent here who will repeat any slander against her.
And congratulate themselves for doing so.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 07:47 AM
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3. Who cares what that peice of shit has to say.....
Edited on Sat Dec-22-07 07:48 AM by 1corona4u
I know I don't. Like he matters.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:21 AM
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13. You should feel some animosity towards him.
John Sasso was the one who exposed Biden with the Neil Kinnock plagiarism story during the 1988 campaign. Dukakis let him go after the news was revealed.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:29 AM
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15. "Let him go"
Not exactly. He let Sasso go for show, but kept him around in the background. Dukakis' campaign still had Sasso henchmen like Jack Corrigan running the show.

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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:35 AM
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16. Yes, but let's be real...
everything he has touched has turned to shit.
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:37 AM
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18. Piece not peice
just saying...

I don't know the guy so I can't confirm or deny his shittiness, however. :)
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 10:06 AM
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22. Sometimes I type too fast, and am on the run...
Thanks for being petty though.
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 01:05 PM
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49. No problem...
I like it when others tell me if I make a mistake when I type too fast. I'm sorry that you saw it as petty.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 10:42 PM
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44. Wow! Got Bitters?
Hope you don't choke on your own bile.:hi:
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 08:00 AM
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4. My first post!
Hi! New here. Can't say I like what I am seeing from Hillary this cycle. With respect to this article, Sasso as a credibility gap with respect to winning elections. "John Sasso was John Kerry's general election manager at the Democratic National Committee in 2004 and manager of Michael Dukakis's presidential campaign in 1988."
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 08:21 AM
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5. Point well taken.
Welcome to DU, Sulawesi. :hi:
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 08:38 AM
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6. undoubtedly Mr. Sasso has some successes
to his credit, or he would never have managed Presidential campaigns.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:02 AM
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8. I couldn't find any successes....
but you're free to do your own research.....
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:02 AM
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9. That's fair...
I mean, he is at or near the top of his field, so I shouldn't dis him out of hand. Yet, he has run the elections of two candidates, both weak candidates IMO, and campaigns that had some clearly odd moments and that could have been run better. That either puts him in the position of being part of the problem, and lacks credibility on this very point, or in a unique position of having seen the problem first hand and therefore is someone that knows his stuff. Depends on your perspective I guess.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:16 AM
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11. I think he creates problem for the candidates...
from my perspective.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 08:59 AM
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7. Nice article from the Globe , no less...they just endorsed Obama?
You could never guess The Globe is endorsing Obama after reading to the end of this article.. Could it be something as simple causing the Globe to endorse endorse Obama is just because one of his best friends just happens to be the new Governor of Massachussets, Deval Patrick? Nah....

"Why the least vulnerable Democrat? The day the Democratic nominee becomes obvious the Republican attack machine will spring to action. Always, the opponent is a target to be eviscerated. If Obama is the Democratic nominee, a man less intimately understood and less defined, Republicans will rush to manufacture their own brutal definition. Can Obama withstand that kind of barrage? Does he have the personal makeup to be as relentless as his opponents? Do past political positions leave him vulnerable? Because the risks are sky-high, these questions need to be reasonably raised and answered beforehand.

Clinton is well past negative redefinition. Unlike John Kerry's 2004 campaign in which veterans opposed to Kerry's candidacy challenged his war record, it will be difficult to ram a Swift Boat into her candidacy. If there is a convict in her political past, as with Willie Horton during the Dukakis 1988 campaign, he will already have been exhumed. Besides, the Clintons are veteran enough to mount a withering counterfire of their own.

The most vulnerable Democrat, Clinton is not. The most electable, she is. America's political landscape, this time around, looks fertile for the right Democratic candidate. But one day, surely, the country will elect a woman president. I sense that moment - and that woman - has arrived."
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:04 AM
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10. Yeah, no doubt.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 10:00 AM
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21. tooshay.
Tellurian.. you got that right!:7
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:07 PM
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30. Wow, and they endorsed Obama? Doesn't sound like it.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 06:15 PM
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39. Hillary already has the apparatus set up to do battle with the GOP in the general election. (eom)
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:21 AM
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12. Funny how it so truly reflects Clinton's message of the week
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:28 AM
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14. I guess we've already moved beyond the...
"voted 'Present'" media push...I wonder what's next?
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:37 AM
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17. Another reason not to support Hillary
After weeks of sleazy attacks, whisperings about cocaine and madrassas, and Billy Shaheen's little adventure, Hillary trots out one of the most revolting operatives in the Democratic Party.

The guy who knifed Joe Biden, then tried to get his friends in the press to pin the blame on Dick Gephardt.

The guy who sent out mock radio ads to reporters that ridiculed the physical disabilities of the wife of Edward King, Michael Dukakis's gubernatorial primary opponent in 1982.

If this is the sort of guy Hillary has speaking for her, I want no part of her campaign.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:52 AM
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20. And Joe Biden survived and lives to fight another day!
Better anything negative about Biden came out long ago and has been assimilated and discarded.

Biden now has a great chance at the VP slot along with the next president, Hillary Clinton!

Clinton/Biden.. a match made in heaven!
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 12:50 PM
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24. Typical Clinton sleaze adviser Mark Penn to Sasso.Does Clinton deliberately
choose to surround herself with corrupt people?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:20 PM
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32. Is Edwards lying about his mistress or is he waiting to announce something after Iowa?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:30 PM
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33. Did Penn advise you on your sleaze? Get a grip.That is desperate I could respond in kind but I
Edited on Sat Dec-22-07 04:22 PM by saracat
refuse.I won't lower the discourse.Attackimg a sleaze bucket of an advisor is one thing, fabricatimg and pushimg sleaze about the candidate's private life is another.But others won't be so circumspect amd your candidate is vulnerable.Mo ome "believes" the Edwards story amd this is the secomd time aroumd .The Clinton runors are more belivable but I wouldn't push them UGH!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:56 PM
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34. Yes, I really look forward to conversing with the righteous you
you remind me of the vitrolic bile seen in the B movie...Children of the Corn.

have another drink!
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 04:29 PM
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35. Just curious as to how you can have the gall to post such a thing after the filth you just
posted about JRE? And I can't imagine why you are so personally nasty.You seem so oddly protective of corrupt political advisers.Each to his own.And a Happy Holiday to you as well.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 10:48 PM
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45. LOL...
"The Clinton runors(sic) are more belivable(sic) but I wouldn't push them UGH!" THAT is funny, coming from you!:rofl:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 07:13 PM
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41. jesus, you guys are something else
no wonder you have that disgusting sigline. :puke:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:41 AM
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19. John Sasso: The guy who found Biden's "plagiarism" while running the Dukakis campaign
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 10:15 AM
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23. I think you meant to say...
swift-boated Biden. Which is what it was, in an atempt to get Dukakis to the front of the line. Funny thing though, I think Karma bit that campaign in the ass, didn't it?
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 02:40 PM
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29. Do you ever think about this - if it wasn't for Sasso - we might not have gotten Bush Sr
Edited on Sat Dec-22-07 02:40 PM by pirhana
History would have been changed.

Biden was the frontrunner. Sasso killed Biden's chances for Dukakis - Dukakis - a man that had NO chance of defeating Bush Sr.

If they left well enough alone - Biden may have beaten Bush.

Case closed.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 06:07 PM
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37. Yeah, I think about that...a lot....
and I'm hoping Karma will level the playing field this time...
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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 07:22 PM
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43. He also ran Kerry's incredibly successful 04 GE campaign (sarcasm)
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 12:52 PM
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25. Its pretty funny when Du'ers attack political operatives
really it is.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:09 PM
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31. And why is it funny, pray tell?
Edited on Sat Dec-22-07 03:23 PM by Armstead
If you have a coach who helped to lose at least two major elections, is it funny to point out where he might be mistaken this time?

(I do realize my own hypocracy here, because I used the word "funny" above. Oh well....)

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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 06:12 PM
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38. I speak more of the attacks on his character
he was a paid operative.

As for whether he is a good operative or whether his judgement is worth a lick. I can only say that in both campaigns he is taking a hit on here, he was apparently brought in to right the ship when it was going down. I don't think there is clear evidence presented that he is a lousy campaign manager. Apparently people think highly of his skills. (People that want to win that is).
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 01:19 PM
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26. While he uses a lot of nice words, he doesn't really say much in this fluff piece....
Sounds a lot like wishful thinking.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 07:11 PM
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40. "She has undergone a remarkable journey" oh puke
What, did she pupate and fly to the mountains like a Monarch butterfly?
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 02:34 PM
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27. John Sasso is a number 1 a-hole!
He is the one that did that smear campaign on Biden in '88, when he was working for Dukakis.

He is a snake.
Why does Hillary continue to surround herself with the pond scum of the Democratic Party?
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 02:36 PM
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28. i think she's the most vulnerable. i think it's gonna be ugly. :(
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gorekerrydreamticket Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 01:23 AM
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47. Hillary as the nominee is the only way we lose in 2008.....
Edited on Sun Dec-23-07 01:24 AM by gorekerrydreamticket
People are looking for a change from the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton perpetual bullshit...
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 05:44 PM
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36. i just read this in today's paper
too many eye rolls, and gut busting laughter. :rofl:
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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 07:20 PM
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42. I find nothing of substance in this article except Sasso's opinion.
Honestly, this offers no valid points, as does most of Hillary Clinton's stump speeches and debate answers. Am I far off here? IS this just me?
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 10:51 PM
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46. May the best WOMAN win! Kick and recommend...n/t
:kick:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 02:13 AM
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48. What a surprise? The usual haters trashing anybody who has the temerity
to praise Hillary and support her. Whatever.........
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 03:27 PM
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50. Nothing New Here.. The Obamamites seethe with jealousy!
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