Hillary Clinton is so polarizing

[denem]

I am sick to gills of reading about polarizing. Isn't the the argument that there are widespread negative perceptions of Hillary out there, so she would be difficult to elect, have negative coattails and if elected would barely change the status quo?

Tell me which Democratic President was not polarizing? Truman? Kennedy? Johnson? If you want polarizing, look no further than FDR who is remembered with a special hatred by the GOP even today.

I suspect this talk of polarizing would evaporate if Dennis Kucinich was the nominee with a decent shot at winning. The rabid fury from entrenched interests would be something to see.

[PresidentObama]

1. She is polarizing, but still electable.

I think it's fair to make the argument that we have better candidates running, that could win in places we don't normally win in and by bigger margins.

When she's got the highest negatives on either party, bigger negatives than Gore or Kerry did, multiple polls showing 50% of Americans wouldn't vote for her, and the fact that in head to head match-up's Obama and Edwards do better.

It's fair. It's not fair to say she isn't electable, because she is.

[denem]

4. A Good Democratic should be polarizing

The rich and powerful like things fine the way they are. As John Edwards said, they are not going to give up their privileges willingly or quietly.

I think Hillary can win, I think all the candidates can win. And we are truly blessed by the current slate of Republican nominees.

[PresidentObama]

6. Is true. But I think the argument isn't whether she's polarizing, it's whose most electable.

And who can aid our party nationwide.

I think it's fair to suggest Hillary isn't that candidate, as I have.

But I certainly KNOW she's electable.

[denem]

9. Yep - That's what I was saying

Isn't the the argument that ... she would be difficult to elect.

To be clear ... the best way to bring change to this country is to absolutely thrash the GOP. FDR and Johnson had it. They used it.

[PresidentObama]

10. I think once we get the nominee, our party will rally behind them.

We don't want another 2000 or 2004.

We need a fucking Democrat in the White House.

And thank 'god', we have some of the best candidates we've ever had running.

[JackORoses]

15. no, the argument is she will divide our party, cost us gains in Congress,

and not bring a significant change to the way DC does business.

Just because she could be elected doesn't mean she should. We have better options.

[robbedvoter]

2. Bush is not polarizing - he's a uniter. Even GOP-ers start agreeing with us on him.

[denem]

7. LOL - a Uniter indeed.nt.

[TeamJordan23]

3. It is essential to win over Indeps and some Repubs to win a GE. She cannot do that IMO. nm

[denem]

5. I am arguuing over the word polarizing

Not Hillary Clinton.

[Bitwit1234]

8. And Obama trying to to cut the older people off from the world

and getting kids to jump and bump isn't...there is not more polarizing thing going on than what he is doing. He is trying to get rid of senior citizens. And THEY ARE THE ONES WHO MADE THIS COUNTRY WHAT IT IS, BEFORE BUSH RUINED IT.

[TeamJordan23]

11. How is he doing that? Again, you make claims without support

Such as your post a week ago about Obama supporting Bush's plan to go Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran - as you put it.

[denem]

14. He skipped every AARP formum

and talks about breaking with the boomers. I personally don't like it.

[TeamJordan23]

17. Why is he eliminating income tax for seniors, among other things?

[Zueda]

30. I'm not familiar with his skipping the aarp forums

but I do know that AARP has sold out to the healthcare industry. I no longer trust them.

[denem]

12. I think Obama is as cynical as any politican.

And I don't hold that against him. But when the groups he chooses to marginalize are the elderly and GLBT folks, I have real misgivings.

[emilyg]

18. So do I.

[TwilightGardener]

13. You must have read his "Elders on Ice Floes Plan". Very comprehensive.

:eyes:

[sniffa]

16. please, i'm begging you - start a blog

your insights need to be out there for the world to read. :thumbsup:

[CyberPieHole]

19. sniffa, you need to patent your sweet banter...

it's always a treat to read. Sarcasm neither implied nor intended. (Void where prohibited).


P.S.

Hope you are having a wonderful holiday!:toast:

[no name no slogan]

20. I hear he also eats babies, too

and rapes kittens. AND OMG HES TEH MOOOSLUM TOO!!!!111oneone11oneeleventyone!!!111

[earthlover]

23. Yup...he was doing that in Kindergarden!

And he is BLACK!

[earthlover]

22. "He is trying to get rid of senior citizens".....

Do you think your ridiculous exaggerations benefit....whom?

[mmonk]

21. Don't pretend she isn't. The anti-Hillary propaganda has been

going on since the first term of the Clinton administration. Millions of people bought into it.

[annie1]

24. 2nd. How can anyone deny the seething hatred so many people have for her...

not only on the GOP side, but independent, and democrats and people here who have bought into it. when i pass over websites and see the hateful comments people write about it, you'd a thought she specializes in hunting puppies. it's bizarre, but it exists.

[BenDavid]

25. Yes, that was what they all said about Bill but when he polled

over 55% and then 60%, then 65% and then 70% he was not getting all this support from Democrats. So let HRC hit the ground running and pass some great legislation that will be good for the country and this old tired record of her being polarizing will be a thing of the past.

Ben David

[Kucinich4America]

26. Hillary is extremely polarizing, but not the way the whore media spins it.

If, GOD FORBID, Hillary were in the White House for 8 years, the right wing noise machine would continue to tell the sheeple what a "left wing liberal" she is, even while she drags the country even further to the right, continues the occupation in Iraq, invades Iran, and privatizes "American Dreamitizes" Social Security, forces $1000/month mandatory corporate health care on all of us, and finds numerous other ways to kiss corporate ass.

Meanwhile, REAL Democrats would become even more polarized against her and the DLC for all of the above.

The right wing is going to be polarized against us no matter what. Why pander to them and alienate the REAL backbone of the Democratic party (and that sure as FUCK is not the DLC.)

[Beacool]

27. Nice laundry list of what Hillary will do as president.

Did she personally inform you of these plans or did you dreamed them up?

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

29. She really is threatening to privatize Social Security?

Or is that just something you're assuming she'll do? I thought Obama was the only one using right-wing talking points with Social Security.

[Perry Logan]

28. The "polarizing" argument is based on a craven fear of Republicans.

[Zueda]

31. and a large portion of indies. nt

[flyarm]

32. she is polarizing among her own party//big time!!..that is the difference!

I know of only one dem i work with who is supporting her..and i work with die hard dems who are the ones in the trenches working ..
not the once a year dems who show up for a party! or only show up for the last week before an election..i am talking those who have worked their asses off for the party on a daily basis...

Hillary is loathed by almost every dem i know.

fly

[mtnsnake]

34. If Hillary is loathed by almost every dem you know, then you don't get out enough

The only Dems I ever hear that loathe her are the ones here on DU that are lured to a place where bashing Hillary Clinton is the fashionable thing to do. Out in mainstream Democratic America, I rarely come across Democrats who "loathe" her. I come across some who don't choose her as their favorite candidate, but few who loathe her. Most, in fact, admire her greatly.

[flyarm]

35. then you don't get out enough..i was a dem delegate in 2004 for my county

and state..i think i know alot of dems..in fact i am going to Iowa..for the election...and my hubby is in a very public position..i am in the public alot...

and belong to 8 dem clubs!! in 2 states..as i live in 2 states.

fly

[BlueJac]

33. I am so sick of the Clintons............

NAFT alone makes me ill. We need a new direction and NOW.

[creeksneakers2]

36. Hillary is not polarizing

Polarizing is driving people toward the extremes.

Hillary is a moderate and a centrist. She rarely takes extreme positions. Bill and Hillary believe in and practice compromise. Hillary's left wing opponents call that triangulation, and say she compromises TOO MUCH. Hillary has developed great relations with the other party in the Senate and often works with them to accomplish items of mutual interest. Both Clintons work to get their agendas passed by aiming for consensus.

Bush is polarizing. Bush stands at one extreme and demonizes and drives away everybody who isn't in complete agreement. Bush has 30% of the country completely in his corner but has 60% left hating him. Bush does not care. Bush won't compromise one bit and makes no attempts to build relationships with the other side or to persuade the other side that his position is sound.

The Hillary haters of the right wing and extreme left are polarizing. Both sides hate moderates and moderation. Both sides want to eliminate the middle and go at each other's throats. Both used hate filled rhetoric to go after Hillary. Hillary rarely insults the right wing itself. She does criticize their leaders for attacking her so relentlessly.

I've never heard Hillary go after the far left at all.

One of the big reasons so many hate Hillary is that she is NOT polarizing.