Biden is going to have a tough time in Iowa

[Renew Deal]

This is based on my sense of the numbers. I have never seen a poll with Biden over 15%. Each candidate needs at least 15% support to be viable in each caucus in Iowa. If the candidate falls under 15%, the supporters of the inviable candidate must move to someone else or go undeclared.

Only 3 candidates received delegates in 2004. Gephardt and Kucinich were RARELY viable and received no delegates. There's no good reason to believe that Biden will do better than Gephardt.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/states/IA

Kerry 1,128 38% 20 99%
Edwards 957 32% 18
Dean 540 18% 7
Gephardt 318 11% 0
Kucinich 39 1% 0
Uncommitted 15 0% 0
Clark 3 0% 0
Lieberman 0 0% 0
Moseley Braun 0 0% 0
Sharpton 0 0%

[MADem]

1. He's running for SECSTATE, that's my take.... nt

[AspenRose]

5. He will not accept VP, SOS, or any other cabinet position

He's already said as much. He will stay in the Senate if his run is unsuccessful.

[MADem]

25. I'll bet if he's asked nicely, in the right circumstances, he will change his mind.

You NEVER admit that you'll take second fiddle or a slot in the cabinet. It diminishes your campaign.

But people do it all the time.

[liberalnurse]

2. That is going to be Iowa's biggest mistake in history.

Joe Biden is the most Presidential of the lot.

[medicswife]

6. yes, he is. n/t

[liberalnurse]

15. The DNC and DLC know this....

but Hillary, Obama and Edwards started the fundraising very early. Now 2-years ago, in 05, Joe Biden and Barack Obama came to the Ohio Democratic State Dinner to speak. We had a lot of Ohio Democrats then too...Strickland, Brown, Hackett...they too spoke but I noted the early starters.

Joe didn't go for the money.....he has all the Presidential grey matter required for the task. O8)

[MADem]

39. You might want to have a look at this link....

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=106&subid=122&contentid=252157

And THIS one: http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253239&kaid=106&subid=122

Ooops...and this one: http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253240&kaid=85&subid=108

The DLC and Joe Biden aren't enemies. Never have been.

[liberalnurse]

55. I didn't think they were at odds, Biden and the DNC/DLC ....

I just observed how he, Biden, did not go for building a war chest like the others.

[MADem]

59. That makes one wonder why he's at this campaign. He's done it before. He KNOWS it takes money.

Not just a little money, either. A LOT.

Which brings me to my original thesis--despite his protestations, he's running for SECSTATE.

[liberalnurse]

69. Indeed...................

I too have been perplexed for months on this........ He never even set-up a campaign store on his web site. His book is great...but her was only out for a week with signings.

Let's keep our eye on this because there is an underlying story. Especially with him being out exploring the field in Ohio in 05! :shrug:

[MADem]

80. He could be angling for an ambassadorship, but I still think he's interested in SECSTATE.

One country is just 'too small.' And UN ain't his gig, either.

I think he wants SECSTATE. If he'd weigh his words a bit more carefully, he'd be fantastic at the job. He DOES have the knowledge. He HAS done the homework.

He'd make the likes of Rice and Kissinger look like interns.

[medicswife]

82. Did you see his campaign event on CSPAN yesterday?

When he told about telling Milosovich he was a Damn war criminal? That was awesome.

[MADem]

85. No, I wasn't near cable yesterday--I was in a "four stations, two of them Canadian" area. NT

[liberalnurse]

107. He certainly would be an amazing

SOS!

[MADem]

146. There would be virtually no learning curve. He'd probably be able to make genuine progress on

the Palestinian question, too, instead of making bullshit 'gestures' like BushCo is doing, when it's too little and far too late.

[1corona4u]

144. I think he's angling to be president...

but he's also making the point, that it shouldn't take 90 million dollars to win an election. He's at the top on the issue of campaign finance reform, so if he doesn't make it, enjoy all of this year's mega loaded superstars, because I guarantee, he will work tirelessly to see that it doesn't happen again.

He'd probably get some republican support now too....

[MADem]

145. It isn't going to happen. He's not going to become President, unless

he is selected as VP and the incumbent dies in office.

Never mind what it should or shouldn't take in terms of cash, or campaign finance (hell, the King of that school of thought will probably get the GOP nod) that's just simple reality.

Don't shoot the messenger, now.

[1corona4u]

147. Never say never...

I prefer to remain positive, but if you prefer to remain cynical, so be it.

[MADem]

152. I'm not cynical. I'm simply realistic.

Don't misunderstand me, I like Biden just fine, and I wouldn't "object" if he got the nod.

It just isn't going to happen.

[Auntie Bush]

151. Agreed

[medicswife]

3. Too bad those polls are a sampling from all over the state

You have to get 15% in each precinct. There are plenty of places where he will be viable. Some where he will not be, but others where he will do just fine. He will place at least 4th. And that is good enough for now.

[BringBigDogBack]

20. that's right, medicswife.

[liberalnurse]

61. I see your trying to boost you post

count with empty jabber.....I have seen your fangs....others too.

[youthere]

4. I guess we'll find out tomorrow.

I will be caucusing for Biden.

[medicswife]

11. Can I buy you a beer? lol n/t

[youthere]

22. I'll tell you what...

a bunch of Iowa Du'ers are meeting up Friday, and I will have a beer and toast you and your husband for supporting Joe!!

[medicswife]

36. Thank you!

My husband was just saying how much he wished he could have a beer. I think it's stupid that those poor guys can't even have one beer on their day off when they're deployed. Poor hubby. :(

You guys ROCK IT for Joe tomorrow, ok?????

I'm going to get on my face and pray tomorrow, lol.

[aquart]

7. Gosh golly, I HOPE so.

[bdamomma]

8. who knows how it's going to turn out???

I am hoping Biden will sneak in.

[youthere]

10. Me too alyce...me too. I'm going to do my damndest to make it happen.

[Renew Deal]

13. Good for you.

I wish I could be a part of it!!! :D

[surfermaw]

9. At one time I wonted him to be the VP..he ran that mouth

too much agains other candidates, and all the time he knew he didn't have a snow ball chance in Hell.

[youthere]

18. you've just shown you have zero credibility..

Biden is the only candidate that HASN'T been running his mouth against the other candidates. Biden goes after the repukes all the time. He does not slam other Democrats.

[Eurobabe]

70. obviously a victim of NCLB n/t

[1corona4u]

12. Now see, there are 2 kinds of people in this world....

those who are thought a fool, and those that open their mouth, and remove all doubt.

I'll be thrilled to rub your nose in your own shit. Bookmarking this page. See you Friday. :-)

[Renew Deal]

14. Hey, I hope you do.

I hope I'm wrong. I see some people saying that Biden is going to move to third. He doesn't have the organization or buzz to support that.

[1corona4u]

19. Ok, I just think you're being a little conservative...

and I haven't been looking at polls, at all. I have been reading Iowa blogs, newspapers, etc. and they tell a much different story. :-)


On edit; just got the following email;

The thermometer may have read 9 degrees outside but inside -- the Biden campaign was on fire!

My name is Raena Davis, and I'm a field organizer in Polk County, IA. Yesterday, we held a Caucus Countdown Rally at the Raccoon River Brewing Company here in Des Moines. Despite temperatures in the single digits, over 500 dedicated Iowans came out for the event to once again demonstrate the momentum for Joe Biden that has been building for months. Supporters lined the walls and overflowed into the upstairs balcony.

500? Wow, that's pretty impressive for a nobody....

[Renew Deal]

28. I remember getting reports like this from the Suozzi supporters last year.

Suozzi was "moving up." He lost 80-20. Here's what I think Biden's best chance is... Hillary supporters get caught up in the hype about Obama winning and jump ship to Biden, who is politically similar and light years more likable. We'll see.

[youthere]

43. I think the argument is going to be made at caucus...

about Hillary's divisiveness and that will sway some of her soft support, in which case thet are likely to align with Biden.

[medicswife]

47. That would be super. n/t

[Debi]

32. Biden and Edwards have the best volunteer organizations in my area

Not paid staffers, volunteers.

Can't buy that - not with TV and Radio and fancy literature.

The people working for those two are the people who go to caucus and who get others to go to caucus. Not some stranger that has been paid to 'come to Iowa' for a week.

Big difference in enthusiasm and action.

[jefferson_dem]

21. ;-)

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/02/01/svOBAMA_wideweb__470x323,0.jpg

[medicswife]

27. Do you think that Biden and Obama

will help each other out tomorrow? i.e. Biden supporters going to Obama if they aren't viable, and Obama supporters filtering to Biden to make him viable? I read something about that yesterday and have been wondering if it is actually going to happen.

[jefferson_dem]

33. That's been floated a few times.

Sure would be nice. Regardless, I think they would make a stellar team!

[medicswife]

38. I think so too, and though I can't see Joe taking VP for Hillary,

I would not completely write that off for Obama. Not so sure though. My preference of course, would be Biden/Obama because that would set us up for 16 years in the White House.

[bdamomma]

74. hmm...interesting Obama can be groomed by Joe to

run again in 2012?

[youthere]

76. Oh yeah..can you imagine?

8 years of Biden, 8 years Obama...THAT would be politics of hope. Eight years for Biden to heal this nation, and eight years of Obama taking us to new heights.WOW.

[medicswife]

77. Honestly, I think it's the BEST ticket we could run. n/t

[bdamomma]

71. great picture, they are both good guys.

I have my fingers crossed for Senator Biden.

[Steely_Dan]

16. I Just Want To Take This Time...

to thank you for posting this information for all of us. Apparently you have a lot of time on your hands. The fact that you would take the time to throw water on many of your fellow DUers who support Biden, is admirable and deserving of praise. I don't know who you support...probably one of the candidates that the media picked for you...But I can assure you that none of the Biden supporters have generated an original post with the specific purpose of dashing the hopes of you our your candidate.

Tell me who you support so I can switch right away.

-P

[Renew Deal]

23. Then you missed the point

It's a reality check. The fantastical talk about Biden coming in third is not based in reality. It's nothing personal.

I don't support anyone yet. I'll let everyone know if/when that changes.

[Steely_Dan]

26. So...

You're saying that Biden supporters don't live in the reality based world. How about just letting us hope? Is that too much to ask?

-P

[Renew Deal]

30. Sorry Steely

I am not trying to insult you guys. If I were you, I'd hope for the same thing.

[Steely_Dan]

57. It's Alright...

Sorry I'm so defensive.

You see, time is short and people like me are holding their collective breaths. We haven't gotten a fair shake from the media...none of the bottom tier have.

I guess when your heart and soul are into backing a candidate and you know that it will be difficult at best to see your choice beat the odds, the last thing you want to hear is that his chances are even less...even if it is reality.

I'm not giving up.

-P

PS - If you had posted this even just a week ago, it wouldn't have made a difference...does that make sense?

-P

[WheelWalker]

31. Reality check? Excuse me, but I reject your "reality" and substitute my own.

It's a point of personal privilege.

[Tejanocrat]

17. Biden could still come in 4th. I think you are mixing up the statewide 15% threshold and the 15% to

25% precinct-wide threshold.

State wide, delegates are not awarded to candidates who get less than 15% of the support. This rule applies beyond Iowa.

In Iowa (and only in the Democratic caucus) if any given candidate in any given meeting does not have 15%, his or her supporters can re-align. This could help Biden as much as it hurts him because, for example, If Biden has 10% and Dodd has 5%, then the Dodd supporters could join with the Biden supporters to make Biden viable.

In sum, will Biden get any delegates out of Iowa? It's a 100 to 1 change against. But will Biden be viable is many precincts and finish 5th or possibly 4th? Probably.

[Renew Deal]

34. EDIT: I was wrong about one part of it.

This part:
· Non-viable groups can join with other viable preference groups or with other
non-viable preference groups in order to attain viability.

[Debi]

24. Your understanding of realignment is incorrect

:banghead:

http://www.iowafirstcaucus.org/pdfs/2008_Caucus_Guide.pdf

Page 7, Item 20 of the Iowa Democratic Party's Official Caucus Guide:

Realignment
20) At this time any preference group(s) that is not viable (has fewer members than
the viability threshold) must be given an opportunity to realign.
· Non-viable groups can join with other viable preference groups or with other
non-viable preference groups in order to attain viability.
· Members of non-viable groups can choose not to realign, however they will
not be awarded any delegates if they remain non-viable.
· Members of viable preference groups are also allowed to realign if they so
desire.

++++++++++++++++++

Every MSM squawking head has gotten it wrong and ALL of the pollsters have gotten it wrong.

Nobody knows what will happen upon realignment.

Realignment is what cataputled John Edwards into 2nd place and it has the potential to do the same for whichever of the non-viable candidates is prepared to argue their case to the caucus-goers.

[youthere]

35. Right..in 2004 I saw many a Dean supporter move to the Edwards camp.

Realignment made Dean become non-viable in my precinct. He started the evening with the most supporters and ended up non-viable. Figure that one out..it all came down to the question of "electability" and "experience" .

[Debi]

46. Kerry was the only one viable in the first round in my precinct

Edwards and Dean were able to pick up supporters and each get a delegate.

I wonder what the polls would have shown if the idiot pollsters wouldn't have asked 'If your candidate isn't viable and has to drop out which candiate will you go to?' Geez, Or 'When Biden/Dodd/Kucinich/Richardson aren't viable and have to drop out which one out of Clinton/Edwards/Obama will you go to?'

Think that may have skewed a poll or two? :eyes:

[medicswife]

49. I have thought that for awhile

The pollster's questions often influence the outcome of the poll.

[Renew Deal]

37. I did get part of it wrong.

· Non-viable groups can join with other viable preference groups or with other
non-viable preference groups in order to attain viability.


You should make an OP out of this. Thanks!

[Debi]

40. You go ahead and to it.

You'll look like a damn genius! :P

[rucky]

42. So a non-viable can move to another non-viable?

Cool. I wonder how that usually works out?

So all the Dodd people can move to Richardson, and all the Richardsons can move to Kucinich, etc...

I wonder what the best strategy would be among the second-tier? Team up with a first-tier, like Obama/Kucinich, or form a Bloc among one or more longshots?

[Renew Deal]

I think the best move is to move people around at the top.

That's where the most influence is.

[medicswife]

45. I would imagine

that some of them end up going to one person, others go elsewhere..blah, blah, blah. This is why the second choice is always talked of as being so all fired important.

[youthere]

48. ANYONE can realign. A viable can realign for another viable...

or a non-viable, a non-viable can realign for a viable or non-viable. Or not realign at all.

[Debi]

58. If I were advising the non-viables I'd say go with the non-viable

who has the most supporters in each caucus.

[Renew Deal]

64. Why would you do that?

Wouldn't you have more influence at the top?

[Debi]

73. Influence in what?

After presidential preferences and delegate selection everyone goes back to equal and we move on to party business. Choosing Central Committee members and Platform Committee members, etc.

[Renew Deal]

81. Influence in the caucus.

Incluence to move one of the candidates from 3rd to first.

[Debi]

90. More influence would be had in giving a non-viable candidate a shot

Rather than the 'first place' candidate a huge majority.

On edit:

Why be a lemming?

[medicswife]

67. I think that's what I'd do too. n/t

[haroldgiowa]

75. It is the realignment that counts

The first vote set the tone for the room. You go into negotiations and then realign.It is the second vote that counts. It isn't hard to understand.

[jillan]

29. Biden signed up 100 caucus chairmen in one day - drew bigger crowds than Hillary....

so stfu.

[Renew Deal]

41. Um, no

I won't. :shrug:

[no name no slogan]

66. The caucus chair doesn't pick the delegates

They just so happen to be the person chosen to convene the caucus at the previous precinct caucus in 2006.

The chair doesn't do much besides make sure the meeting goes slowly and that they clean the crap off the gym floor before they leave the building.

[Debi]

79. I think P means 'precinct captains' a person attending caucus in support of a particular candididate

who will rally the other supporters of that candidate and try to get others (undecideds or non-viables) to join their group.

Some Temporary Chairs are also precinct captains for a specific candidate (I was both Chair and PC for Dean last cycle).

You are correct, though, the Chair has no control over the outcome of the presidential preference part of the caucuses.

[no name no slogan]

91. I think you are right

Although I have to admit I've usually managed to antagonize most precinct captains most years. Of course the subcaucuses I've lead have a lot of noobs and are fairly disordered (Kucinich in 2004, Wellstone in 1990, and a mess of college kids in 1988), but that's what makes direct democracy so fun, right?

Hope you have a good caucus tomorrow Debi. :hi:

[Debi]

93. I'm going in non-committed - I'm gonna have a blast!

Good food and great neighbors.

:hi:

What more could an Iowan ask for ?

[youthere]

101. An Iowan could ask you go in and stand for Biden!

You know Debijr wants you to!

[Debi]

116. He's been working me pretty hard.

All the other campaigns have to call or write me letters. Debi, Jr. just has to yell down the hall!

He's had a blast working with the Biden campaign, they have treated him so very well. The Senator has made him feel absolutely vital to the campaign. I'm proud of Debi, Jr. and of the candidate he chose.

But I'm still up for grabs :evilgrin:

[youthere]

121. Fine..I'll grab you....

if that's what it takes to get you to caucus for Joe! :evilgrin:

[no name no slogan]

123. Joe's a good candidate

but going uncommitted is a lot of fun, too. Especially if you have more attendees than delegates to the county-level convention :evilgrin:

[Debi]

125. We only have two delegates - so it's gonna be interesting

I want to see my son reach the delegate level b/c he's worked so hard.

I'll let you all know on Friday.

[1corona4u]

141. Debi, talk to me like I'm 2...

how are the delegates decided?

[Debi]

148. Okay, I'm gonna have to PM you cuz it's gonna take me like 1/2 hour

to type it all out. (Like with pictures and everything) :P

Give me time, k?

[1corona4u]

149. LOL...

just the basics, don't go all crazy.:-) Just an overview is fine...THANKS!! And, BTW, there is a post I would like to get your feedback on, so I will reply with that link as well.

[Tashca]

143. only two delegates???

Wow,,,....I've never been to one with just two delegates. Don't you have to get something like 25% to be viable??.....Then nothing is still certain. I think that would be very interesting. My precinct has eleven delegates. It will be an experience for me with one that big...
Good luck!!!...

[Debi]

150. Yeah, we had three last cycle and then a bunch of GOPers built

McMansions out by us :eyes:

Yep, need 25% to be viable AND since we only have two delegates to award there is the potential of more than two candidates being viable and yet only the top two can receive the delegates :crazy:

But the math is really easy with a small count!

[medicswife]

126. And I'll ask you pretty please with sugar on top.....n/t

[Debi]

129. Wow, the sugar on top might just win me over...heh

We'll see how good the Biden precinct captain is at realignment time.

All your positive energy needs to go to him



and his buddy Joe!

[medicswife]

130. Would it help that it's organic turbinado sugar to boot? n/t

[Debi]

133. Man, you're good n/t

[medicswife]

136. Thanks! :) I bought it just in case someone needed that extra

little bump over for Biden. :) That and for my hubby whenever he gets to come home on R&R, man I'd love to tell him on Friday that Joe kicked butt in the caucuses!

[youthere]

138. I have absolute faith in him....but only if he can win over his own mother!

wink wink

[medicswife]

140. Tell him to get some organic turbinado for her from me! lol n/t

[jillan]

102. Thank you for correcting me!

[Debi]

114. Well, WE knew what you meant

:P

[Debi]

88. *cough* you mean precinct captains *cough* n/t

[Tejanocrat]

104. Isn't it kind of late to still be recruiting precinct captains and to have 100 spots unfilled?

[Debi]

120. Out of 1,781? no

But look at it this way. Biden now has them and some other campaign doesn't.

Isn't it kind of late to be losing precinct captains to a second tier candidate?
(and why is the support of a candidate so soft this late in the game? Tomorrow is the caucuses).

[pacalo]

44. I think about how Dean carried the momentum in '04 & it seemed obvious he would win.

Kerry's behind-the-scenes meetings with Iowans didn't get as much coverage, but it paid off.

I watched the C-Span coverage of a Biden campaign stop yesterday & several approached him after his speech to tell him they had been undecided but he had won them over after listening to him. One of them had a 57-year-old husband, a veteran, who had been called to go to Iraq. There are many undecideds making the rounds & I hope they are as impressed as I am that Biden isn't wrapped up in oratorical rhetoric; when he speaks, it comes across as natural, & from experience. He knows what the issues are, he knows them well & is very much at ease in explaining how they should be handled.

We'll see.

[medicswife]

51. He is very much at ease, isn't he? n/t

[pacalo]

60. He's a natural. And I liked what he said at the end of his speech...

(p/p) "I can't wait to face the Republican nominee." I think he could put any one of them to shame & deep embarrassment in a debate. :)

[medicswife]

63. Yeah, the part about not being able to wait to take on Huckabee

or Romney and ask them where in the gospel it says that torture is ok...

[pacalo]

87. I loved it, as did the crowd!

[medicswife]

89. I like when he gets fired up. :) That's when he's at his best.

I would love to see him debate any of the Republicans, he'd tear their throats out.

[jillan]

53. Did you hear what David Brooks said last week?

That if Democrats really want to win the WH they should nominate either Biden or Dodd ;)

[medicswife]

54. Yep! I saw that! Let's all drink to Biden! :) n/t

[jillan]

56. Tomorrow is drinking day :)

[pacalo]

65. Yes, & that was one statement coming from him that I can believe to be true.

[youthere]

50. Thank you for editing your thread title.

[Renew Deal]

52. NP

The fact that people can move to other non-viables makes a difference. I think Debi is correct about something. Once people see that Hillary is in trouble, it will drive her even lower.

[youthere]

72. That's why second choices are so important at caucus..

Even if I supported one of the top three, if I came to my caucus and found my first choice had plenty of support, I could (and would) realign to give my second choice a boost...many caucus goers do this.

[Eurobabe]

62. Polls, schmolls - talk to me on Friday

:hi:

[youthere]

68. I hate those goddammed schmolls...

you should see what they've done to my lawn!

[Eurobabe]

78. posted by lolling trolls...

how droll.

[rucky]

131. LOLL! n/t

[1corona4u]

111. LOL...

I use to have a schmoll...I flushed him out with garden hose, and whacked him over the head with a 2X4, LOL. Problem solved. :-)

[youthere]

117. That technique works well with republicans too...

who, incidentally, are far more destructive.

[1corona4u]

124. AAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAhahahahaha....

Too funny!!

[medicswife]

134. You think they'll let me near Mitch McConnell with a 2x4? n/t

[youthere]

139. Well...probably not...but it might be fun to try...

I'd personally go for Lindsay Graham...mr. pastyfacedweaselsexscandalwaitingtohappen.

[medicswife]

142. I'm in McConnell's state. When I found out we had orders to Ft. Campbell,

that was the first thing I said. "Oh no, not McConnell's state."

[1corona4u]

109. LOL...

That's exactly how I feel about it.

[gateley]

83. I'm no expert, but

I bet Biden supporters will stand strong. Why leave Joe? They are solid enough in their support for them that they can get others to join him where he's not vialbe and where he is viable will welcom others into his group.

Biden supporters don't back down, I bet many of them don't have a second choice because Joe is the man!

I'd be wary if my candidate was weak or had wishy-washy support. I bet Biden supporters could steal them away in a heart beat.

I believe in Joe and I know Iowans who are caucusing for him do too.

:7:

[youthere]

95. You know, I believe that too...

I often list Obama as my second choice, but I can't imagine realigning. I feel so strongly about Joe that it's unlikely I would stray from his camp, even if he not viable in my precinct.

[medicswife]

96. I would have trouble too. n/t

[1corona4u]

115. Ditto. It seems to be the one thing we all have in common...

I don't think I have ever heard a TRUE supporter change their mind. They're in it for the long haul.

[Debi]

118. Man, you Bidenites ARE strong in your support!

Genius, pure genius!

:hi:

[haroldgiowa]

122. That's just it.

The best any of them could be is his equal. Why go with a second choice, when you got the real deal.

[Jillian]

84. I wish I had a crystal ball that told me how tomorrow will turn out.

[medicswife]

86. OH, but the suspense is sooooo exciting! n/t

[gateley]

128. No crystal ball needed. Biden comes in second. Amen. nt

[haroldgiowa]

92. It is hard to poll a caucus reliably

There are nearly 2000 separate caucuses for the Democratic Party. Everyone has just enough difference to make the outcome different. If you have a precinct captain that can get people to the caucus you are ahead of the game. You have to treat every caucus as a stand alone vote. If you have a captain everywhere that can get ten to fifteen people to a caucus you are going to do well. One year I was elected to move to the county convention with three people in my group. It take more this year, but in some areas it won't take much more.

[medicswife]

94. Sway as many over to Biden as you can!

My husband is in Iraq right now, Sgt. Grant Johnson, and he just told me that his unit is getting MRAP's because of Biden. They just lost three guys about a month ago in an IED attack that wouldn't have died if they'd have had those MRAP's. He wants anyone in Iowa to know just how much what Sen. Biden is doing for the troops means to him.

[haroldgiowa]

97. I will do my best

And tell your husband I am one Iowan who thanks him for his service.

[medicswife]

98. I will! Thanks! Our four kids and I thank you too! n/t

[youthere]

100. Will you be at the meetup on Friday haroldg?

We can toast medic and medicswife together!

[haroldgiowa]

105. I don't know yet.

I will have to see if my daughter will drive me. If I do go it will just be for a short time.

[youthere]

112. PM me or one of the other Iowegians if you need a ride!

I won't be staying long myself...Ihave to work early Saturday.

[haroldgiowa]

119. She might take me.

If I buy her some potatoe skins. I ask her to give me a ride to my caucus and she said I could walk. I will need to take the back door to get there in time.

[medicswife]

108. And toast the 101st Airborne 327th infantry in Baiji, Iraq! n/t

[youthere]

113. I will.

I just wrote it in my little purse notebook so I would be sure to do so. I gotta'remember to take my camera.

[medicswife]

127. cool, I'd love to send my husband a picture! n/t

[Jillian]

99. Wasn't there once a time when a post like this would be considered flamebait?

It is obvious the OP wanted to pit the Biden supporters against the Biden bashers.

DU rules must not matter anymore.

[medicswife]

103. Well, we've made it positive...looks like all the

Biden supporters descended quickly and took back the night!

[Steely_Dan]

106. Yep...See my post early on.

[Renew Deal]

110. I wish I was that macheavelian.

:think:

[Debi]

132. Is that a kind of chocolate?

yum, chocolate :P

[youthere]

135. Did someone say chocolate?

[medicswife]

137. Yeah, Godiva for those who caucus for Biden. n/t