So Edwards wants Repugs in his cabinet so that he can have people telling him when he's wrong? WTF?

[FrenchieCat]

I find that kinda of odd, cause Democrats could tell him all of that too!

John Edwards vowed Monday to include Republicans in his Cabinet if he's elected president.
"Here's why: because I'm looking for the strongest, most capable, most independent-minded people I can find. I want people around me who will say, 'You're wrong about this, and you could do grave damage if you do it. Mr. President, you need to change your mind,'" he said. "Because I'm not perfect, I'm capable of making mistakes."
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071204/NEWS09/712040382/-1/caucus

Edwards capable of making mistakes? No shit? :wow:

So Why does Edwards feel so compelled to have to announce that he knows that he needs GOP members telling him when he is wrong......and to help him change his mind? :shrug:

also at the video link below at 1:40, Edwards said that he's made his cabinet list and that there are Republicans on it, cause he wants people that will tell him when he's wrong.
http://www.politicaltruthusa.com/2007/12/john-edwards-on-selecting-vp-and.html

[killbotfactory]

1. I thought they weren't supposed to have a place at the table

You can't negotiate with thieves and liars and blah blah blah...

[FrenchieCat]

2. well actually, John Edwards agrees that he would sit at the table with Corporations......

in his recent Charlie Rose Interview....said that they should also have a seat at the table.

Video of him saying so -- starts in at 19:50......
http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/12/29/video-john-edwards-on-charlie-rose-agrees-with-obama-on-corporations-voices-should-be-heard/

[killbotfactory]

3. I guess there are two John Edwards'

One for each America.

[FrenchieCat]

10. See down thread how I am slimed and attacked because

I ain't buying into the propaganda that candidates can't have any affiliations with Republicans whatsoever or else they are the devil re-incarnated......

and so I post this thread to illustrate the hypocracy.....and I get tagged team, compared to Coulter, personally insulted...and my father is even dragged into the conversation.

Guess that it is all about "do as I say, and not as I do" round these parts. :eyes:

[saracat]

12. I didn't "slime you.I was "teasing ' about Coulter.I did tease you about "obsession, but I would

never 'slime ' you.

[chascarrillo]

14. Any comparison to Coulter is over the line

Really, it is.

[killbotfactory]

13. I noticed

It's turned into a disingenuous bullshit echo chamber in here.

[Andy823]

33. Gotta admit

You sure hate him! As for being "slimed", well it's nothing like what you do to Edwards! :nopity:

[FrenchieCat]

37. Funny how there is never any refutiation of substance on what I post about JE......

only anger at the fact that I dare do it.

He is a political figure, and these are primaries, and this is a political board.
Grow the fuck up! :nopity:

[Seabiscuit]

47. That was a long time ago. Why don't you harp on his IWR vote while you're at it?

Edwards has evolved over time. You've devolved with a sense of values that's walking backwards.

[FrenchieCat]

50. What was a long time ago.....his December 3rd 2007 statement???

Well, according to the "it's ok cause Edwards can change his mind calendar", that is eons ago! :rofl:

In reference to his IWR co-sponsorship and selling of the current war....he apologized 3 years after the fact (which is quite acceptable according to the special calendar). :eyes:

[Seabiscuit]

53. November 29, not December 3.

It's now Jan. 3, 2008.

You can't even get those kinds of things right when your entire raison d'etre is to smear Edwards with this kind of crap.

The GOP can't wait for you to sign up!

[FrenchieCat]

58. December 4, 2007 is soooo long ago! How dare I?

:wow:

Edwards promises to name Republicans to his Cabinet
By TONY LEYS • REGISTER STAFF WRITER •

December 4, 2007
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071204/NEWS09/712040382/-1/caucus

So what is the rule on the expiration date for Edwards words and promises? 3 days? :shrug:

[saracat]

4. Recycling an old story again? Don't you have anything better to do? You really have an obsession

with Edwards.You can't seem to stop posting about him! Are you secretly attracted to him in an Coulter sort of way? She likes to rail about all the candidates she lusts after but can't have too! her obvious favorites were Bill Clinton and Edwards!

[cali]

5. I could have said the same about you re Hillary Clinton but

a scant two months ago. That said, I think the OP is petty.

[FrenchieCat]

9. Why? Cause I dare bring up the hypocrisy in folks attempting to

tear Obama down with three threads........accusing him of doing something that "cannot stand", while Edwards can't do no wrong?

I ain't going for the Okey Doke.

I'm in the kitchen.......and even with the heat, I'm staying.

[saracat]

11. I have NEVER torn Obama down. And you have constantly attacked Edwards.

It just seems personal with you.We have had this conversation before.Whatever. I like Obama.Therte is only one candidate I will not support and it isn't Obama.

[FrenchieCat]

15. The point is that you don't have the fortitude to ask others who post negatively

on candidates relentlessly to quit......
because as long as it is not your candidate, you don't really give a shit.

So you want me to adhere to the rules you make for me, although you make no rules for others?

So maybe the problem is not what I do that's the problem.....(since so many others do it)
Maybe it's that you are taking things personally only because I post about your John Edwards, and not about Hillary or Obama.

My suggestion is that you hide the fucking threads that I post that you don't like.
Hell, that's what I do with Obama negative threads (how many are on the boards as we speak?}
and/or put me on ignore or something.
I don't post on these boards to please you.

But What I don't do is go into these negative threads on Obama and Hillary and start calling posters out. I don't complaint and attack those posters on a personal level.
But yet, that's what you do....but only selectively.

[saracat]

32. And that is completely untrue! I have defended Obama many times as well as Biden and Kucinich .

I have even defended Hillary when I thought a post was uncalled for or trashy.And I do not call anyone "out'.I alert when I feel a post is bad.I did not call you out.Whatever.

[FrenchieCat]

48. I notice that Hillary didn't make the cut as to whom you "defend"

but somehow you feel perfectly justified in attacking me for who I choose to talk about?

It wouldn't be so bad if you haven't done your share of negative posts in reference to some of the candidates, but you have. Further, I don't recall attacking personally for it.

You simply operate with a double standard, and from where I sit, it is an hypocrital stance.

[saracat]

51. I specifically mentioned that I HAVE defended Hillary and never posted a negative thread

about ANy other candidate than HRC!

[Catherine Vincent]

41. You tell 'em Frenchie!

:thumbsup:

[FrenchieCat]

7. How come I don't see you in this ops complaining?

MalloyLiberal (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-03-08 12:42 AM
Original message
So Obama quotes Republicans...has Republicans as his precinct captains..Damn
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3933379

or this one?
AZDemDist6 (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-02-08 04:05 PM
Original message
Obama has Bushies and long term Repukes as Precinct Captains???
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3930212&mesg_id=3930212

or this one...
JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-02-08 10:51 PM
Original message
How can you sit at the table and negotiate with thieves?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3933115&mesg_id=3933115

Where's your outrage there? I don't see you in those threads being indignant as you feel justified as being with me. Is it because Edwards is your candidate and Obama isn't? :shrug:

Personally I see no difference in what Obama or Edwards are doing......One is using Republicans to get elected, the other one is pandering to them.

I felt that I should point this out, and so, I have.

[Donnachaidh]

17. you noticed that too? The spin + obsession is pretty sad

And shrill. :shrug:

[MethuenProgressive]

26. "old"? the link says 12/31/07.

What's the time limit on calling BS on Edwards - 48 hours? :rofl:

[Seabiscuit]

56. Read further,

and you'll see it's from 11/29/07. Idiot.

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[FrenchieCat]

8. Why are you not asking these folks if Obama killed their daddies?

MalloyLiberal (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-03-08 12:42 AM
Original message
So Obama quotes Republicans...has Republicans as his precinct captains..Damn
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3933379

or this one?
AZDemDist6 (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-02-08 04:05 PM
Original message
Obama has Bushies and long term Repukes as Precinct Captains???
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3930212&mesg_id=3930212

or this one...
JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-02-08 10:51 PM
Original message
How can you sit at the table and negotiate with thieves?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3933115&mesg_id=3933115

Where's your outrage there? I don't see you in those thread being indignant. :shrug:

Personally I see no difference in what Obama or Edwards are doing......One is using Republicans to get elected, the other one is pandering to them.

I felt that I should point this out, and so, I have.

[Bitwit1234]

16. Guess he's trying to outdo Obama...who announced he wanted

republicans in his cabinet and every place else.

[Ninga]

18. Two promininate Republicians were in the Clinton Administration. David Gergen and

and William Cohen who served as Defense Sec.

So what's your point???

[ThatPoetGuy]

19. Obama also said he wants Republicans in his cabinet.

Here's a video: http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=di8uTjdgSE8

And another: http://scottnance.newsvine.com/_news/2007/10/30/1061287-video-barack-obama-bringing-republicans-into-his-cabinet

[KittyWampus]

28. Obama didn't make a big deal of saying he'd exclude corporations and lobbyists and their reps from

the table. In fact, Obama said the exact opposite.

Edwards, on the other hand DID say you can't bargain with these people.

[Andy823]

34. Now you did it

You showed some "facts" that Obama is really "no different" than the rest of them. Boy are you in for it now! :spray:

[progressoid]

20. I'm going to go out on a limb here...

Not all Republicans are Satan incarnate. Just as not all Democrats are Angels.

[progressive_realist]

21. Maybe in an inverse manner?

Like if the Republican tells him it is a bad idea, he knows it is a good one, and vice versa? :shrug:

[Infinite Hope]

22. If you don't get it, you're incompetant. n/t

[KittyWampus]

27. you spelled 'incompetent' incorrectly.

[Vinca]

23. Republicans who are independent minded? Good luck. nt

[MethuenProgressive]

24. He's a DLC Triangulator wannabe.

Who will say/do *anything to get votes.
This must've tested well in his focus group.

[GreenArrow]

36. he's the DLC faux progressive ringer candidate

.

[mckeown1128]

25. If true...I admire Edwards for his Bipartisanship... nt

[Ineedchange]

29. He Won't Be the First President to Have Members of the other Party on his Cabinet

Read a book about Lincoln!!!!

Team of Rivals by Doris Kearns Goodwin

"Goodwin makes the case for Lincoln's by examining his relationships with three men he selected for his cabinet, all of whom were opponents for the Republican nomination in 1860: William H. Seward, Salmon P. Chase, and Edward Bates." In addition, he had members of the opposition party on his cabinet.

Lincoln knew the country was so divided that a cabinet exclusive of the opposition (Democratic Party) would make the situation worst.

[BigDDem]

30. Mr Hedgefund and BO can fight over Schwarzenegger

[hayu_lol]

31. Lessee, we almost have our first primary over...

and two of the leaders are flip-flopping like fish out of water, making deals, breaking their promises, and have exhausted their limited stock of new ideas. All that they have left now is to attack each other and both are attacking Hillary.

Lookin' better for Hillary all the time.

What in the hell are Edwards/Obama thinking about. Perhaps its the influence of Obama's lobbyists and the Repugnants who are advising Edwards.

LOL!

Go Hillary.

[Cleita]

35. Other Democratic Presidents have done the same.

It depends on the Republican. There are honest conservatives out there who honor the Constitution. I hope he doesn't feel he has to put neo-con fascists in those positiions though to tell him when he's wrong.

[hayu_lol]

38. Since some of you are for the idea of Obama using lobbyists...

and Edwards using Repugnants, Gene Lyons has something to say:

Gene Lyons: "NO MORE NICE GUY"

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Editorial/212492

There is no bipartisonship.

[Cleita]

60. I said nothing about Obama using lobbyists.

Hey don't kill the messenger. I stated what has happened in the past. Actually, any President has to take into consideration that he is President to those who oppose him as well as those who got him into office.

The real problem is that the Republicans ruling us now have committed treason and other crimes against our Constitution as well as international law and they haven't been investigated, put on trial and sentenced. So we, the opposition, are throwing all conservatives into the pot with the criminal element allowed to run rampant in our nation's capital.

IMPEACH NOW!

[FrenchieCat]

42. So why do you think that folks are these boards are Dying because

Obama dares say or do anything positive that might deal with Republicans?

JE doesn't specify who he's talking about in particular, but states that he will have Republicans in his cabinet (and justifies that by saying he needs folks willing to pull on his coattails)...yet so many don't mind giving Edwards the benefit of the doubt. In the meantime, Obama is accused of laying down with fleas.

Why is there this double standard? :shrug:

[Cleita]

61. There's no double standard on my part.

I just posted what had happened in the past. I too have problems with the criminal element of the Republican Party who are ruling us into a disaster under President Boosh and VP Darth Cheney, however, I really don't think any Democratic candidate would appoint any of that criminal element into cabinet posts. I really hope not. If they do, then we are the stooges and have been duped by a Trojan horse. Incidentally, neither John Edwards, nor Barack Obama are getting my primary vote.

[TeamJordan23]

39. The silence among anti-Obama Edwards supporters shows their hypocrisy. nm

[Renew Deal]

40. Edwards has been "wrong" so often that they should be busy.

:shrug:

[Auntie Bush]

43. I could tell him he's wrong without being on the list.

That's a stupid mistake...and he's already apologized for making a lot of them.

[Inuca]

44. The main point in that quote is

"I'm looking for the strongest, most capable, most independent-minded people I can find". I do not see anything wrong with that.

[Hieronymus]

45. President Clinton had Republicans giving advice .. was that bad?

[Pastiche423]

49. The best republic president we've ever had

had republics giving advice? Maybe like NAFTA and Welfare reform?

Was that bad?

[Seabiscuit]

46. I can't believe you actually repeated this POS post as a new thread.

You continue to spread the ugliest and most despicable smears against Edwards on DU.

Since you stooped to reposting this POS as a new thread, here's my response to your original post:

"Edwards NEVER said in any of that that "he needs GOP members telling him when he is wrong.... and to help him change his mind" and you know it.

Virtually every president appoints people from different political backgrounds because not everything is black and white. The best presidents do exactly what Edwards has said numerous times he'd do: appoint "the strongest, most capable, most independent-minded people I can find (who will challenge him because he isn't perfect and like everyone else is capable of mistakes)".

Very different kettle of fish."

You employ Freeper tactics to spread you filth about Edwards. You need to find a new hobby. You're in a very bad rut. Maybe there's an opening for you in Karl Rove's office.

[FrenchieCat]

54. I'm not here to accomodate your beliefs......

And I'm not sure why you would even think so.

I post Edwards' words.
You call them smears.
Edwards may be smearing himself, but there is no fabrication.

Edwards even says the same exact thing in the videotape that I provided....and very clearly at that; he wants Republicans in his cabinet because he wants independent minds telling him when he is wrong.

Be courageous....and listen to Edwards words, and understand that just like Obama's words are taken in an extremist manner, so can Edwards....

You may think that Edwards should be immune to what Obama is subjected to. But don't you find that utterly hypocrical? :shrug:

[Name removed]

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[FrenchieCat]

59. I think that you are obsessed with FrenchieCat......

And although I'm used to it, I'd rather you stopped.


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[Seabiscuit]

62. That does it.

Your hypocrisy and bullshit know no bounds.

The likes of you quoting DU rules to me? OMFG! :rofl:

To "ignore" land with you.

[FrenchieCat]

63. If you do not like someone,

please be aware that you have the option of putting that person on your ignore list.
Just click the ignore icon on one of their posts.

No...Please don't Gooooooo! :cry: :sarcasm:

[ecstatic]

52. WTF? I thought there was no room at the table and that they'd eat all the food?

:shrug: Furthermore, a Dem is perfectly capable of telling him when he is wrong. Obviously, repubs will always have a different view than us but that doesn't make their view "right."