Rachel Maddow is not a happy camper

[itsrobert]

Looks like she is truly sadden that Hillary lost. Normally, she is well reasoned and maybe a little congratulations to Obama might of been in order. But she wants no part of an Obama victory.

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[cboy4]

14. I personally don't believe Obama is a homophobe.....I

just know he is a serial panderer, and thus he embraced a notorious homophobe despite the pleas of a lot of people.

And therefore, he can't be trusted because he's could flip flop on positions/promises depending on whether it's politically advantageous.


on edit...typo

[David Zephyr]

20. fightindonkey, Barack is not a homophobe.

Not so.

[fightindonkey]

29. Yes, He IS! He Told Us To Support Homophobes, Treat Them With Respect

Don't delete my comment. I will pull up the quote if I have to. We've all read it.

[Anouka]

33. Christ asks Christians to treat all -- even sinners -- with respect.

You can disagree with someone -- disagree passionately -- and still respect them. Likewise, some folks are ready to vote for other folks in spite of disliking them as people and human beings and politicians.


Whatever your issue with Obama, perhaps it would be best not to frame it in a way many folk would scratch their heads over you finding fault.

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

34. Scratch your head over this:

If Obama had been a white candidate who hired a white supremest who spewed racism on stage, and then never apologized for letting that individual emcee one of his campaign events, his political career would've been toast over night Imus-style. Especially if he'd later been quoted as saying that racism is not inconsistent with being "good, moral and decent." That quote would've been all over the media and he would've been been forced to drop out of the race.

It may be head-scratching to *you* that some of us are offended by a double standard that homophobes can hide behind the bible, and people like Obama will excuse their vile bigotry by saying they're "good, moral and decent." But there aren't any true progressives that aren't offended by that double-standard.

[David Zephyr]

37. He is not a homophobe. He will be a better president for GLBT than any so far.

Barack will make you proud. He's a good man. He is a friend of the GLBT community.

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

38. All wonderful bumper stickers. Here's some more for you:

"Jesus delivered me from homosexuality" "Homophobes are good, moral and decent" "Ex-gay therapy is only interested in helping unhappy gays"

[David Zephyr]

42. Barack did not say those things. Be honest with yourself.

I am gay. I have been an activist for our community since the early 1970's.

Don't paint yourself into a position that is not worthy of your intelligence.

Barack is no homophobe.

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

45. Yes he DID say one of those things, and one of those things was issued from his campaign

And the other was said by a someone he had emcee one of his campaign events, and he never apologized for it.

My, my lots of "gay activists" around here who have no problem with Obama with making excuses and coddling homophobes by saying homophobia isn't inconsistent with being "good, moral and decent." Which he DID say to the Advocate and you damn well know it.

"These events have provided an important opportunity for us to confront a difficult fact: There are good, decent, moral people in this country who do not yet embrace their gay brothers and sisters as full members of our shared community."

http://www.queerty.com/obama-talks-gay-again-20071112/

[David Zephyr]

47. Now that you've narrowed it down to a single statement (thankfully): it was not homophobic.

Thank you for eliminating the other quotes which were not Obama's.

Now on to this one:


"These events have provided an important opportunity for us to confront a difficult fact: There are good, decent, moral people in this country who do not yet embrace their gay brothers and sisters as full members of our shared community."

That is true. And they need to embrace our "shared community". That's what he is saying.

Our community has come a long, long way since Stonewall. I know. I marched when parades weren't festive and fun events. They were dangerous to show up to.

All I can ask you is to be more open minded which is what we ask others to be all the time.

He is on our side. VarnettaTuckpocket.

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

48. Your bumper-sticker spin is lame, and he does have to take responsibility for his campaign releases

And for what people who emcee his campaign events say on stage, if he isn't going to apologize for hiring McClurkin, which he hasn't. Sorry Charlie.

The "McClurkin isn't interested in helping gays who are happy with their lives" was the campaign release, which I don't have a saved link for, but it's factual and I'll be happy to find the link if you dispute it. And yes, it's the most believable of "gay activists" who has no problem with a Democratic presidential candidate's campaign issuing a statement defending the ex-gay movement!

[David Zephyr]

50. I don't do bumperstickers. Listen, if you can, to what Obama said publicly.

"The events of the last several weeks are not the occasion that I would have chosen to discuss America’s divisions on gay rights and my own deep commitment to GLBT equality. Now that the issue is before us, however, I do not intend to run away from it. These events have provided an important opportunity for us to confront a difficult fact: There are good, decent, moral people in this country who do not yet embrace their gay brothers and sisters as full members of our shared community." -- Barack Obama

Hear him. "my own deep commitment to GLBT equality."

I won't argue with you because it is not helpful and I stand with you and thank you for being such a guard against homophobia. I have a little experience in that fight myself, by the way. Barack will be you advocate. Just open up a wee bit, you might be surprised.

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

51. Just enjoy your kool-aid

You'll obviously defend anything Saint Obama says or does.

[babylonsister]

2. No! She's tamping down Tweety, who's going on about how lousy

Clinton did. She's being reasonable imo.

[annie1]

5. agree. he's insisting on trying to be a tool, and she's not having it.

[Joe the Revelator]

6. A six point differential is not a "three way tie"

Thats absurd. She's right that Hillary can still pull out 2nd, but Obama is the clear Iowa front runner.

[SunDrop23]

12. Gotta agree, maybe there is a two-way tie for 2nd. But Obama WON.

[ronnykmarshall]

3. Oh so NOW you're talking shit about Rachel?

Oh no. No you di'nt.

[indimuse]

58. lol..

:hi:

[Arugula Latte]

4. What the Hell?!?! She wanted Hillary?!?!

I'm truly surprised. :wow:

[Hieronymus]

27. No, I'm pretty sure she didn't support Hillary.

[Sparkly]

7. Wha?!?

I didn't see that at ALL.

[itsrobert]

11. She's calling it a three way tie

I feel sorry for her. Emotions get in way of objectiveness.

[SunDrop23]

21. Not at all, Obama's smokin' Hillary and Edwards...

[rodeodance]

8. i am with her. what a bummer.

[jefferson_dem]

9. Between her and Gergen...it's doldrum city on CNN.

That's ok.

[waiting for hope]

10. She's actually an Edwards girl -

[itsrobert]

15. She talked on her show today how Edwards doesn't have the money

Didn't sound like she was for Edwards to me.

[waiting for hope]

17. I've heard her a bunch of times say

that she prefered Edwards...

[Hieronymus]

28. Good .. I got that idea as well.

[libnnc]

13. No I think she was just trying to shut Tweety up

the more he talks the more he embarrasses himself and everyone else on the panel.

[rasputin1952]

18. Rachelk could eat Tweety for breakfast, she's being pretty

restrained...now Buchanan on the other hand...:rofl:

[Kucinich4America]

16. Rachel's a Hillbot?

Damn, I thought she was smarter than that. :evilfrown:

[peacetheonlyway]

19. Obama's Win is a SLAP IN THE FACE TO ALL GAY FOLKS

gay people are the new blacks.

they take our money and promise us big things but in the end.

we get shit from political candidates.

why can't HRC with all it's money put up it's own goood lucking gay man or gay woman candidate.

I'm sick of this.

and really *** pissed ** at kucinich who's stragglers no doubt pushed Obama over the top.


I don't blame Maddow...

[Kucinich4America]

22. Unless you support Dennis Kucinich

Then your candidate is every bit as "homophobic" as Obama is.

Barack may have had Donnie McClosetcase at one of his events. Hillary has the entire hatemongering DLC behind her ALL the time.

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

32. And he may have told the Advocate that homophobes are "good, moral and decent"

And the Obama campaign may have issued a statement on the night of McClurkin's appearance, that he only want to help gays who are unhappy with their lives. Guess that makes "ex-gay therapy" perfectly fine then. According to the Obama campaign, and Dennis, who apparently didn't have much of, or any problem with the McClurkin business. Why should he, when Ron Paul's a potential running mate in his mind. Two strikes and you're out Kucinich.

[Kucinich4America]

40. Okay then....

Which homophobe do YOU support?

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

41. The Edwards "I'm uncomfortable" quote you keep repeating has been denied

So you have nothing on him where that is concerned. Aside from him saying he's "not there yet" on gay marriage, but his opposition is a paper tiger. All of the Dem candidates are opposed to the Federal Marriage Amendment, none of them would actively oppose gay marriage. As far as Obama, if he got the nomination, I'd vote for him if I lived in a purple swing state. But since my state is solidly red, I wouldn't bother voting for him.

[rodeodance]

24. yes, obama not good for gay folk

[fightindonkey]

31. Gays HATE Obama, and For Good Reason. Everything Came From His Own Mouth

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

26. That's exactly how I feel

I'm not sure if Maddow's apparent disappoint has to do with the McClurkin crap though. Has it been confirmed that she's discussed it on her show?

[Stop Cornyn]

23. That's wholly understandable.

[Political Heretic]

25. You obviously do not regularly listen to her show or you'd realize how silly you sound :)

[itsrobert]

30. And you would be wrong

Just as wrong as you thinking Hillary was going to win. I will grant you that I thought Edwards was going to win.

[Political Heretic]

59. Well you are also wrong and where did I say I thought Hillary was going to win?

She spent nearly a full segment doing nothing but singing Obama's praises and congratulating him, calling it a historic moment and saying that an america where this happens is the america she wants to live in.

Pretty much echoing her sentiments on her show giving positives about most all of the democratic candiadtes from time to time, including obama.

So...what was your point again?

[itsrobert]

35. I can't edit my post and maybe I was harsh

I apologize. I really think she was trying to smack Chris Matthews down a bit too.

[greblc]

36. Oh well.

[Catherine Vincent]

39. I t may be because of that McClurkin thing. nt

[itsrobert]

43. Probably right

It might of stung a little.

[Larkspur]

44. Rachel is no Hillbot

She's not a big fan of Hillary but would vote for her if she won the nomination. Tonight she was the lone woman on the MSNBC panel and of course, she'd be asked to defend Hillary.

[HughMoran]

46. Must have been that one segment - she was completely fair later

I love how people make snap decisions based on one sound bite - makes me laugh as I shake my head in a most cynical fashion.

[BenDavid]

49. well gee no one likes for their candidate to lose. Now we go for-

ward into N.h. and see what takes place. From all I have seen tonight the obama supporters are measuring the draperies for the white house but forget you got 49 more states and you never, and i mean never underestimate a clinton. You do so at your own peril, and n.h could be the state, and then s.c and that too is a toss up, but what I would like to ask is agter s.c where does obama get the majority of delegates from on the 5th of feb? I give him Illinois but of the list below tell me where he wins? I am sure the poll numbers will change some after obama's win but hrc will still have the lead in them all except illinois....

Alabama 60 Primary
Alaska 18 Caucus
Arizona 67 Primary
Arkansas 47 Primary
California 441 Primary
Colorado 71 Caucus
Connecticut 60 Primary
Delaware 23 Primary
Georgia 103 Primary
Idaho 23 Caucus
Illinois 185 Primary
Kansas 41 Caucus
Massachusetts 121 Primary
Minnesota 88 Caucus
Missouri 88 Primary
New Jersey 127 Primary
New Mexico 38 Caucus
New York 281 Primary
North Dakota 21 Caucus
Oklahoma 47 Primary
Tennessee 85 Primary
Utah 29 Primary

[jgraz]

52. Pah - you should actually listen to her show.

She tries to be unbiased, but it's pretty obvious she dislikes Hillary and likes Edwards.

[Andromeda]

53. No kidding.

I never knew who Rachel supported. I would like to commiserate with her so she knows she's not the only unhappy camper.

[Seabiscuit]

54. If you were gay, you'd see through Obama's hypocritical smokescreens just as Rachel does.

Most of us don't have to be gay to see through his empty, euphemistic feel-good rhetoric.

Rachel very perceptively noted to Tweety tonight (Tweety's face was aghast) that Obama's campaign is mimicking Bush's 2000 campaign - "change", "hope", "uniter, not a divider", "compassionate conservative", the feel-good, why can't we all just get along candidate, the candidate you'd most like to sit down and have a beer with, etc., etc.

[Andromeda]

55. I'm not comfortable with Obama.

I've tried to like him but there's something about him I don't trust.

I'm not gay but I see through his facade. Our country needs a strong leader with a steel spine. He just doesn't cut it.

[TheWatcher]

56. Spine, Not Spin.

I am comfortable with neither him or Hillary.

And as a transgendered person I see through his facade as well.

[Perry Logan]

57. After months of badmouthing from the Obamites, I would say that the mood here is less than euphoric.