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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:52 PM
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"Obama Praises Bill Clinton, and Buries Him "

Obama Praises Bill Clinton, and Buries Him

Barack Obama may have hit the gamer in the nomination battle in last night's ABC debate. Hillary was working all night to make the case that she was the real "change" agent because she has gotten change done in the past. By contrast, she suggested that Obama's promise of change is mainly talk. When she cited Bill Clinton's balancing the budget as a major accomplishment of 'change', Obama delivered this multi-tiered response:

Look, I think it's easier to be cynical and just say, "You know what, it can't be done because Washington's designed to resist change." But in fact there have been periods of time in our history where a president inspired the American people to do better, and I think we're in one of those moments right now. I think the American people are hungry for something different and can be mobilized around big changes -- not incremental changes, not small changes.

I actually give Bill Clinton enormous credit for having balanced those budgets during those years. It did take political courage for him to do that. But we never built the majority and coalesced the American people around being able to get the other stuff done.

And, you know, so the truth is actually words do inspire. Words do help people get involved. Words do help members of Congress get into power so that they can be part of a coalition to deliver health care reform, to deliver a bold energy policy. Don't discount that power, because when the American people are determined that something is going to happen, then it happens. And if they are disaffected and cynical and fearful and told that it can't be done, then it doesn't. I'm running for president because I want to tell them, yes, we can. And that's why I think they're responding in such large numbers.


As with many of Obama's best formulations, this seemed simultaneously to rise to the moment and be the fruit of long reflection. He exactly captured the strength and the weakness of the Clinton presidency in an assessment that is generous, fair, but dead-on accurate as a critique. Bill Clinton outmaneuvered the Republicans year after year on budget essentials but he never built the coalition (generous of Obama to say "we never built...) to reform health care, or revamp energy policy, or build any other major policy bridge to the 21st century. Hillary would say that's because the vast right-wing conspiracy sabotaged them at every turn. But Bill kept handing them swords to gore him, so he never built the trust that underlies a mandate. So Obama manages to bury Clinton and to praise him. "I give him enormous credit" but....

On top of this, Obama has here the perfect response to the "he's just talk" line of attack. Politics is almost literally all talk. You've got to be good in the cloak room, at the negotiating table, on the debate floor. What gives a politician the ultimate strength to push through change, though, is to convince the mass of voters to support his or her effort for something major like health care reform. "Don't discount that power, because when the American people are determined that something is going to happen, then it happens." That says it all. That's a real political philosophy at its deepest.

Also, note the organic riff on "the fierce urgency of now": But in fact there have been periods of time in our history where a president inspired the American people to do better, and I think we're in one of those moments right now. Obama's slogans are the fruit of long reflection. They don't become fixed like a smile for the camera; they weave themselves into his language and ripen over time. He manages to shake off that broken record effect that encrusts almost every campaign.

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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:54 PM
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1. F'ing A RIGHT!
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:57 PM
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3. Ever walked into a bar and had someone ask
you, "why the long face?"... sorry, couldn't resist.. :)
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:56 PM
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:58 PM
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4. Oh, snap. Here it is.. he's hit the core of it:
"if they are disaffected and cynical and fearful and told that it can't be done, then it doesn't. I'm running for president because I want to tell them, yes, we can. And that's why I think they're responding in such large numbers."

Is that not why we're ALL clamoring for this.. whether we support Obama or Edwards.. because we've had to sit by and feel idly HELPLESS as this senseless war rages on;as caskets come home draped with flags that we are not allowed to see; as the leaders we elected tell us "nothing can be done, we don't have enough votes, we can't veto." When they tell us we CAN torture and we CANT Impeach. He has hit on the core of our rage and it is the helplessness of being told we "can't" be a good and prosperous country again. Obama (and Edwards, to be fair) are telling us "YOU CAN"..

Perfetto :-)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:25 PM
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12. Thank you, K, for your post~
I've been so immersed in the primaries and thinking about Change that the last 8 years of nightmares are pushed to the back and I'm taking advantage of the break. Your post reminds how YES WE CAN..Si Se Puede!
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 09:58 PM
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5. ding
we have a winner here.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:00 PM
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6. YES, Exactly
I was struck by those particular remarks too last night. And I remember that he turned to Hillary, and talked to her, almost scolding her for not having faith in the American people. It was a very powerful moment for me. I'm glad somebdy else put it into words.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:09 PM
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7. K* R This is really an odd way of looking at the world.
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 10:23 PM by autorank

"words do inspire. Words do help people get involved. Words do help members of Congress get into power so that they can be part of a coalition to deliver health care reform, to deliver a bold energy policy. Don't discount that power, because when the American people are determined that something is going to happen, then it happens. And if they are disaffected and cynical and fearful and told that it can't be done, then it doesn't. I'm running for president because I want to tell them, yes, we can. And that's why I think they're responding in such large numbers."


What do you think? I think this is from left field.

Words help Congress "get into power" so they can do what? They don't do shit. If anything, it's 30 second ads that get them in. Their words are almost meaningless since they hardly ever deliver for us.

Things happen because of our mood - if we're "determined...then it happens" and "cynical...then it doesn't." So if our mood is right, things happen. We must have been in a decades long funk given that things have been going down hill for a long time. Hey, snap out of it. It's our fault because we're "cynical" ( the bad attitude that causes failure).

"I want to tell them yes we can." Obama speaks the magic words to us and then we take action, poof, it's all good.

My God, does anybody read this crap before it goes out. Is anybody reading it now. This is one strange political theory.
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:10 PM
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8. I think Obama had it backward.
The problem with the Clintons is that they use great words and won twice with them.....but all we got out of it was Nafta and welfare "reform". Words don't mean a thing if you get into office and only help out your rich friends. Now we have Hillary eating lobster and sipping champagne with Murdoch in between telling us little people how much she cares. SOS.

Listen to Bill in 1992. Totally full of shit. He talked a great game to get elected and Hillary is using the exact same speech. Talk about jobs and health care, act like you care, then give the corporates anything they want.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ta_SFvgbrlY

Pay close attention to the part where he pretends he knows every worker in Arkansas by name, then he clarifies himself to say he knows every rich factory owner by name. Thats the Clintons.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:16 PM
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9. I thought his line "You're likeable enough, Hillary", was brilliant too.
She thought she was making all kinds of points with her cute little, "That hurts my feelings" routine. And, it WAS funny. Yet she seemed to be also setting the table for someone to jump in a assure everyone that Hillary really is a great gal, that this is just how politics work and she's wonderful behind the scenes. Didn't happen.

Instead, there was dead silence. Neither Richardson or Edwards jumped to her defense. Finally, after exactly the right pause, Obama wryly reassured her...in a tone to suggest that he wasn't really convinced, himself...."You're likeable enough, Hillary".

No beaming smile. No mean smirk. Just a quiet and polite, "You're likeable enough".

Coming from Mr. Nice, this was devastating. It essentially confirmed to the voters that she's prickly and difficult (I remember reading that she refused to acknowledge Obama in the Senate after he declared his candidacy), but Obama was trying his best to be kind, but yet truthful. And his inability to lie meant that he couldn't proclaim her the Queen of Nice.


Even though some people thought his comment was a little harsh, I think it was a brilliant tactical statement.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:28 PM
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14. I thought it was fine, too..thanks
for putting it together so well! hillary is harsh and Obama wasn't playing the game.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:39 PM
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16. They were playing Chess with words and GObama Won
The Game!

:bounce:

I am so proud that the Democrats are all SMART!

I especially love to see the word games, the debating skills used by HC, JE and B Obama!!

IMO, he knocked her out of the ballpark.She tried to sideswipe him and he socked it to her with just the right tone and style--- BAM!

...."You're likeable enough, Hillary".

:bounce:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:21 PM
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10. Thanks for this, PirateSmile!~
THis is what I'm talkin' about!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:25 PM
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13. You're welcome.
:)
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Josh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:22 PM
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11. I like Obama and Clinton, but Obama is running the Clinton '92 campaign, and it's brilliant -
it's like when Clinton said he respected Bush's service in World War II but the new generation needed a new leader: it's basically saying, look, this guy's time is over. Obama is doing the same thing now.

I like all three of the front-runners, so I'll be happy no matter what happens. In fact, if we can see two of these three on the ticket I think that would be great, but as an observer, Obama sure is doing everything right at the moment.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:30 PM
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15. "Politics is almost literally all talk. ...in the cloak room...negotiating table...debate floor"
I love this part:
"On top of this, Obama has here the perfect response to the "he's just talk" line of attack. Politics is almost literally all talk. You've got to be good in the cloak room, at the negotiating table, on the debate floor. What gives a politician the ultimate strength to push through change, though, is to convince the mass of voters to support his or her effort for something major like health care reform. "Don't discount that power, because when the American people are determined that something is going to happen, then it happens." That says it all. That's a real political philosophy at its deepest."

It's not everything, but it is an awful lot.

Hekate


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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:51 PM
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17. Brilliant answer. He totally outclassed her on this point.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:18 AM
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18. Moreover BILL CLINTON balance the budget NOT HILLARY CLINTON
That's the most disengenuous part of her new stolen-from-Obama-and-Edwards schtick. She claims she has made change. What change has she made? Her huband made change. She tried to make change (health care) and failed miserably.

Just what is her record of accomplishments? Sleeping with the President of the US does not give you the right to claim the accomplishments of the President of the US.

Unless she's coming out to say that Bill will be the power behind the throne?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 02:09 PM
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