Charlie Rangel just smacked down Jesse Jackson Jr. on HC Iraq vote.

[jasmine621]

It was a real smart response to the talking point that Obama's position on the Iraq was not by voting. Rangel said that he, himself voted against the IW but that the decision was very difficult as it was for those voting for the authorization. HC would do well to take heed to the wise ole owl's response to this talking point.

[Alamom]

1. Link?

[MadBadger]

2. Obama's position on the Iraq was not by voting?

What does that mean exactly?

[maddiejoan]

4. It means he wasn't in the Senate

at the time of the voting.

[JackORoses]

3. actually, all he said was that it was a really tough vote to make

except for the fact that Rangel himself voted against the war.

He couldn't defend Clinton's vote.
He could only say that it was a very tough decision.
And that Obama wasn't in the Senate so his opposition doesn't count.

He made no effort to say that Hillary did the right thing.

Hillary will lose the IWR argument every time. Keep it coming.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. Very difficult?

Sure.

Support the war and if the war goes well then everything will be fine.

Support the war and it doesn't go well, hope everybody forgets.

Decisions, decisions.

[KennedyGuy]

8. just curious..how many times did Obama vote to with-hold funding for the war?

crickets chirping........

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. Why did Clinton vote for the IWR?

Was it because she thought it would look on her record, or was it because she was bloodthirsty?

[Joe the Revelator]

20. Funding the troops that people like Hillary sent into war..

is not the same

[Cha]

10. Touche' on your

analysis. charlie rangel is being disingenous trying to help out his fellow New Yorker on hillary's YEA on the IWR vote.

But, thanks for playin' charlie.

[ShortnFiery]

6. Charlie Rangel is an self-admitted establishment Hill-Shill. Time for ole' Charlie to step aside ..

and make room for fresh young voices without the "old guard" tired-out demonstrations of recent INACTIONS as well as "were the establisment, so there!" opinions.

Jesse Jackson, Jr. is too cool, IMNSHO. :applause:

[Cha]

12. Yeah, it's like old

guard and the new.. with this ol' gal rootin' for new!

[BootinUp]

30. And you are a self admitted Obomaton. Are we are clear now? nt

[Cha]

7. Yeah, poor poor hillary

..such a hard to decision to believe bushit..and look tough on national security with presidential stars in her eyes at the expense of our Soldiers' lives.

[KennedyGuy]

9. Obama funded the war..

was that at the expense o soldiers lives too?

[Cha]

11. At the expense that they wouldn't

go without KEVLAR.

[KennedyGuy]

13. right..but you can't go on about Hill supporting the war

and at the same time maintain that Obama is not supporting it. I agree that the troops should be funded.
but its a ridiculous double standard.

[Cha]

14. No it's not...

watch me.

[KennedyGuy]

16. fine..don't let the facts get in your way..

thats what I like about some of you..you certainly don't need facts to stop you from yapping.

[Cha]

24. This coming from such a yapper..

who doesn't let facts get in the way of his red herrings.. does not impress.

[KennedyGuy]

26. thanks zippi..or zeezee or whoever the hell you are

I'm hurt.

[Cha]

27. It's none of your business

who I am.

[KennedyGuy]

28. I don't care who you are

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. Huh?

So Clinton voted for the IWR to send the troops the body armor they were going to need?

Riiiiiight.

[KennedyGuy]

21. at least she took a stand..

where was Obama again???

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. Yeah, the wrong stand.

Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it's a stand.

Right?

[JackORoses]

19. we are talking about Hillary voting to START the War

That is wholly different then funding the operation once it has begun. By that time, there are troops in harm's way.

Hillary could have stood against the War when it really could have made the most difference...before it even started.
Obama did. You cannot deny this.

Hillary's Judgement was either severely lacking or wholly politically motivated.
You make the call.

[Auntie Bush]

17. That goes for EVERYONE whoi wanted to run for president...not just Hillary!

By the way...John and Obama didn't have to vote and they were the only ones who were against the war. Coincidence? I think not!
You have got to WIN the presidency BEFORE you can stop the war....and you have to win a primary before you can run for president. As if anyone can run for office if they didn't support the war. THEY'D BE CALLED WEAK ON DEFENSE! Why don't people realize that?

[Cha]

22. I realize that hillary

has been MY senator for 7 years and she's done nothing to act like leader..only following bushits down the path of destruction.

[ellisonz]

29. Well that, and the typically corrupt pol shit.

Clinton rolls a sizable pork barrel
The senator embraces 'earmarks' as a way to help N.Y. She's received campaign funds from project beneficiaries.

By Tom Hamburger and Dan Morain, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
December 10, 2007
SYRACUSE, N.Y. — It's a real estate developer's sugar-plum dream: a mega-shopping mall complete with 10 Broadway-style theaters, an indoor river, a Tuscan village and a 39-story luxury hotel sheathed in green solar panels shaped like giant blades of grass. Plus as much as $1 billion in government-backed financing, thanks in part to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Not everyone thinks the plan, known as Destiny USA and still in the early bulldozer stage, is a good idea. Many on the Syracuse City Council consider its tax breaks a waste of public money. Others fear it could damage the struggling downtown area. Others question whether all its dazzling features will ever be built.

One thing is clear, however: Destiny is a classic example of how New York's junior senator has embraced old-fashioned pork-barrel politics, first to build power in the state, then to extend it nationwide as she becomes a leading candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination.

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-earmarks10dec10,0,1759427.story?track=rss

[Auntie Bush]

31. Then why did so many Dems AND Rethugs vote for her is she was such a nothing Senator?

Me thinks you be wrong in that assessment.

[HeraldSquare212]

25. Rangle recruited Clinton to run for Senate in NY

so he's got a stake in how she's seen, etc. I'm not speaking in the context of the campaign, because I don't think he's endorsed anyone, just generally - she's part of his legacy.