Hillary supporter, Andrew Cuomo, on how she won NH: “You can’t shuck and jive at a press conference"

[jefferson_dem]

A prominent New York Clinton supporter, Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, on how Hillary beat Obama in New Hampshire by beating him at retail politics:

”It’s not a TV-crazed race. Frankly you can’t buy your way into it,” Cuomo said. “You can’t shuck and jive at a press conference,” he added. “All those moves you can make with the press don’t work when you’re in someone’s living room.”

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Dept_of_word_choice.html

[BeyondGeography]

1. Jeeeeeeeeeeeezus

WTF is wrong with Democrats?

[Essene]

7. this could be slick "baiting" on the racism card

but then again, i cant fathom cuomo signing up to be the hatchet man.

[BeyondGeography]

10. But he's a New Yorker...this is especially stupid for that reason

It will kill her here.

[KittyWampus]

31. As a NY'er, may I interject and/or remind. Andrew Cuomo is a loser with none of his old man's

oratorical skills or class.

[BeyondGeography]

32. We knew that

but peddling cartoon racial caricatures is, I believe, new ground for Mario's mediocre son.

[Essene]

52. It's possible but it's new york afterall... baiting is everything here

What this can do is stir up the classic new york tribal backlash.

The backlash itself can HURT obama by turning the debate into one over race. That will hurt him.



I just think this strategy would have been better handled if they had a BLACK clinton supporter make the comment. This could kill Cuomo's career down the road, given the fragile landscape of NYS politics.

[BeyondGeography]

63. That's where Obama comes in

He's the embodiment of reconcilation and unity. It will get heated, but his is a calming and reassuring presence, and, more important, he has more credibility on more sides of the divide than any politician we've ever seen. That's what's missing in New York and all over the country.

[Essene]

78. Yes, but he cant control Al Sharpton...

The issue is less about Obama than stirring up a bees nest of the Al Sharpton types.

The irony is that this is precisely how you can best destroy Obama's campaign.

By pointing to his church.
By stirring up the "race card" types.
By associating him with radical blacks and uppity negroes who dont see we're a wonderful meritocracy.

Obama can be all about unity and avoid this baiting himself, but that doesn't mean that CNN, MSNBC, Fox, ABC, CBS, etc... wont have the Al Sharptons on yapping about how poor Obama's being persecuted by the man.

[moriah]

34. "Shuck and jive"

I have to admit I didn't know this was considered a racist term until I Googled it.

I've seen it directed at companies, politicians (of all ethnicities), and most recently in a Country and Western song that certainly didn't seem like it was racist ("Mr. Shuck and Jive" by Waylon Jennings).

Of course, the fact I didn't know it was a racist term brings to mind the South Park episode "Chef Goes Nanners" -- when the kids didn't actually care that it was a black man being hung on the South Park flag because they didn't see him as a "black man" but a man. In other words, as we overcome racism in this country a lot of terms are going to change meanings, and the more common vernacular and the way this comment is used in politics is not generally racist.

I have to wonder how many other terms I'm going to learn that have racist origins.

[alcibiades_mystery]

38. Wow

:wow:

[moriah]

40. Yep, I'm pretty ignorant aren't I...

I really didn't know.

[alcibiades_mystery]

48. Yes, I should say so

[moriah]

75. Hey, I admit it....

But if your "wow" and the other "wow" come from my comment regarding the South Park episode, please consider this.

Yes, South Park is rude. Yes, South Park goes overboard to make a point on occasion, and did so in this case. But the point *was* made. The best demonstration of the elimination of racism in this country will be when people don't realize that a situation could be construed as racist -- because it never occurred to them that the color of a person's skin mattered.

The meaning of "shuck and jive" has changed in the common vernacular, or at least a new meaning has been added to the common vernacular.

Examples:

http://www.utne.com/2007-05-01/ShuckandJive.aspx

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2000/0511kerberos.html

http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/1979/11/mintz.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5244/is_199602/ai_n20981267

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/12/13/political-motherhood/ (this may be a bad example, but if you notice they were using "shuck and jive" to describe the Clintons)

http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/story?oid=oid%3A394228

And to be blunt, that was the only meaning I attributed to the term. I do not deny that it was a STUPID gaffe and a person who gets up on TV to talk about a presidential candidate should know a heck of a lot more than I do (hence why I talk on places like this and not on TV). But isn't it better that a non-racist meaning came to my mind first than a racist one? Is that not a sign of progress in this country?

[Essene]

79. let it go

[Lerkfish]

49. I'll second that "wow"

:shrug:

[Essene]

61. I respect the sincerity... but...

While the meanings of words and images can be fluid, they come with power attached.

It's possible that Andrew Cuomo just simply made a blooper on radio, but it almost doesn't matter. It is the raw insensitivity in being capable of saying that as an elected official in a state as diverse as NYS.

This is the Atty General of NYS...

I'M SURE he'll make a clarification statement, suggesting it had nothing to do with Obama and was just a poor choice of words. But once again, the damage is done...

[redqueen]

67. Yup... these terms lose their meaning eventually.

Shuck-n-Jive is the name of a restaurant chain here.

But it's not like saying "gypped". More people remember what the term originally meant. With the race relations in this country steadily worsening for 8 years... to use it the way this guy did, about this subject... it's... well criminy... I don't even know how to put it! A stunningly bad move, to put it VERY mildly.

[Essene]

74. In this case, the terms themselves arent the issue... it's the use

Words like "nigger" can be used in many, many ways. Some fairly harmless. Some are extremely harmful.

The usage and context is what matters, whether folks want to admit it. Words are tied to real conditions, have history and have power. When the powerful use words, the power of them goes beyond the raw semantics.

His point was that candidates cant behave in _certain ways_ to win voters.

He said this in a way that used words with historical racial implications and point at Obama.

[redqueen]

81. I never said it wasn't harmful.

I don't know why you seem to think I did.

:shrug:

[Essene]

88. i guess i was more expanding on your point than disagreeing

[IronLionZion]

82. I didn't know that was racist until today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuckin%27_and_jivin%27

[Essene]

90. it's not the words. it's the usage (nt)

[debatepro]

96. Definition - Origin: Outch!!!!!!!!!!!!

"To shuck and jive" originally referred to the intentionally misleading words and actions that African-Americans would employ in order to deceive racist Euro-Americans in power, both during the period of slavery and afterwards. The expression was documented as being in wide usage in the 1920s, but may have originated much earlier.

"Shucking and jiving" was a tactic of both survival and resistance. A slave, for instance, could say eagerly, "Oh, yes, Master," and have no real intention to obey. Or an African-American man could pretend to be working hard at a task he was ordered to do, but might put up this pretense only when under observation. Both would be instances of "doin' the old shuck 'n jive."

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006051720041

[Essene]

73. The Clinton Smear Campaign (Facts & Sources)

We can debate which of these are "orchestrated" and which are part of a systematic campaign tactic till we turn blue in the face. However, the bottom line is that there's a pattern of really, really nasty negativity out of the Clinton camp which is very brutally slicing into Obama. There's a smear campaign for sure.

The question is... what are the implications?

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FACT CHECK UPDATES:


### He's likely to get assassinated.

Yes, somebody who introduced Hillary Clinton emphasized the comparison with JFK and how he got killed. “Some people compare one of the other candidates to John F. Kennedy. But he was assassinated." The Clinton admin distanced themselves from his comments, calling them inappropriate, but the damage was done. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/07/civilrights/

### He's no MLK.

She dissed MLK first of all, suggesting REAL change only happened because of President Johnson not MLK's dream. She then implied that he doesn't remotely compare to MLK or Kennedy. "“You know, today Senator Obama used President John F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to criticize me. He basically compared himself to our greatest heroes because they gave great speeches." Think about what she's actually saying. Sad. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/07/civilrights/

### Al qaeda will strike!!

"Look what happened in Great Britain," she said. "Tony Blair leaves, Gordon Brown comes in, the very next day, there are terrorist attacks... So you've got to be prepared on Day One with everything ready to go." Sorry, but that's a disgraceful comment, directly suggesting terrorist will strike with the election of Obama. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/05/cnr.06.html

### Flip flopper.

Just watch the ABC debate from 1/5/08. She repeated this charge in various ways, although in fairness she did get into specifics in a few cases (which i think is fair game if you challenge the record itself on the issues). However, for a couple months... this has been her primary charge against him. http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=4092530

### Male chuavanism and the gender card.

Folks may reasonably disagree on the interpretation, but she's clearly playing the gender card lately - even implied that her gender alone equates to meaningful change in the White House (just imagine the outcry if Obama said that about being black). She said that in the 1/5/08 debate. Similarly, the spin out of NH is that his comment was rude and poor Hillary's being beaten up on by the boys *tear*. That's how i intepret this spin, and it seems very clear to me. And if you question her crying about her campaign hardships, she implies THAT is male chuavanism too. http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=4092530 & http://bourbonroom.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/01/07/clintons-candid-assessment/

And additionally... i'd like to just focus on this clip from the NH Debate. She was attacked on the issue of likability. She joked that he's likable. He DEFENDED HER in return. She even says "i appreciate that," yet all the Clinton spin doctors (and Rove) are trying to pretend he attacked her. Watch for yourself and be honest. These 2 were just handling an obnoxious question with grace, but now the Clinton base is trying to turn this into a chuavanistic attack by him? Get real. Watch it. It was friendly. http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ac7RuzYvtCw

### Bush 3.0

"He’s very likable . I agree with that…. You know, in 2000 we, unfortunately, ended up with a president who people said they wanted to have a beer with." “I think it’s good to have a likeable president. But if I remember right, many people said they wanted to have a beer with George W. Bush. Maybe they should’ve left it at that – have a beer, don’t vote him in as our president.” It's a slick way to deflect the likability argument, but she even tries to imply this has policy implications, electing an inexperienced guy just because he's likable.

### False hope.

"An untested man who offers false hope." "We don't need to be raising the false hopes of our country about what can be delivered." Clinton herself said this. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=4088317&page=1 & http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_01/012851.php

### Obama lacks depth and reality.

"On a lot of these issues it is hard to know where he stands, and people need to ask that." "As famously was said years ago, 'Where's the beef?'" Clinton said that herself. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4088317&page=1

### Obama is soft on crime.

"Mandatory minimums take too much discretion away from judges." "Barack Obama's kind of change is where you sit down and you cut a deal with the corporate world." http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4088317&page=1 & http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/04/hillary-hits-obama-for-op_n_79918.html

### Obama is just poetry.

She's been stumping with comments about how he's just talking poetry and she's ready to govern with prose. Cute. " a doer, not a talker." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080107/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_rdp

### Obama is just a fairy tale.

Bill Clinton's rant the other day that i think shocked more than a few of us. Clinton flat out called Obama a liar, said he was a fairy tale. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLDx4NZr2u4

### Obama is in this still because of blind media.

Bill Clinton also suggested it was "wrong" that Obama has been able to get through 15 debates without being called a liar by the press. He implies the blind, uncritical media is the problem. "The press never reported on" yadda yadda. "Give me a break!" He thought Hillary was going to lose NH and was basically blaming the media for this "fairy tale." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLDx4NZr2u4

### Obama is too conservative.

They claimed he was "unwilling to take a stand on choice." His controversial gay marriage position is a legitimate issue, for sure, but they've tried to paint him as too conservative. http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/hillary_mailer_hits_obama_on_abortion.php

### Muslim extremist.

Several Clinton campaign folks were removed over this. One may argue this absolves her from responsibility, yet anybody paying attention realizes this smear is arguably one of higher impact ones. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/10/second-clinton-volunteer-_n_76047.html

### Drug record makes him unelectable.

Top Clinton advisor steps down after making various arguments about how Obama can't get elected due to his drug use. http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/

### Obama is too liberal.

"Hillary's aides point to Obama's extremely progressive record as a community organizer, state senator and candidate for Congress, his alliances with 'left-wing' intellectuals in Chicago's Hyde Park community, and his liberal voting record on criminal defendants' rights as subjects for examination." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/04/new-hampshire-will-be-key_n_79873.html

[Qutzupalotl]

117. Thanks for this, Essene. eom

[Essene]

129. glad somebody noticed =)

[Emillereid]

141. Thanks for putting all this in one place,

[sniffa]

146. very good post

have you made this its own thread yet?

[DivorcingNeo]

128. Everything baby everything!

The curtain is moving back and the truth is being revealed.

No surprise. *smirks*

[Essene]

2. oh lawd no he didnt... lol

[chimpymustgo]

43. Correct response!

Good grief - what a putz.

[Essene]

50. oy veh, what a schmuck

[crispini]

3. .

:popcorn:

[Fresh_Start]

4. andrew, if you support Clinton, best to keep your mouth shut

cause this is BS

[Deep13]

22. Wow, no shit, huh?

You know you can't be steppin' and fetchin' on the campaign trail either.
:wtf:

[truedelphi]

5. Sure you can shuck& jive, as long aas you are planting the questions n/t

[Mythsaje]

6. Now THAT'S a stupid ass thing to say.

"Shuck and jive?"

What the fuck is wrong with people? Do they absolutely NOT think about what they're saying before they say it?

[Hello_Kitty]

97. Yup. Cuomo forgot he was on the record and expressed his true feelings.

The only mistake he made was dropping his guard. There was no mistaking the intent of his words.

[cali]

8. Can you say tone deaf?

That gaffe is so obvious, I almost want to laugh. What a foolish remark.

[rox63]

What a friggin' ignorant comment

He should know better. :grr:

[Cameron27]

9. What an idiot.

[Adelante]

11. Oh, fuck

This primary just gets better and better :rofl:

[Eurobabe]

12. ...good god...what year is it? remind me?

[Kittycat]

13. Just more of the Fresh Perspective & Change the Clinton Camp brings - right?

[PATRICK]

14. Now we know why

he isn't governor. Spitzer, take a breather.

[NYCGirl]

17. Pssst...that's Andrew Cuomo, NOT Elliot Spitzer. NT

[PATRICK]

149. For non-Yorkers

Cuomo is our AG and likely chief rival for the guv, Spitzer. I guess it was too much the inside joke, but Cuomo gets to take the broom to Spitzer's scandals.

[redqueen]

15. Holy crap!

:wow:

[bicentennial_baby]

16. Ouch...

[Azathoth]

18. Christ, the Hillary surrogates are really shooting with both barrels n/t

[Deep13]

19. The WH press corp might beg to differ. nt

[Armstead]

With supporters like that, who needs enemies?

I'm sure it was unintentional (I hope) but that was a massive case of foot-in-mouth.

[soleft]

20. What's incredibly ironic about this - Clinton's audio tape in '92

Where he was basically stereotyping Andrew's father.

[AzDar]

21. Ouch. That's gonna be a real tar-baby for the Clinton Machine.

:rofl:

[ShortnFiery]

23. OMFG! This is great fun for the smarmy "divide and conquer" establishment Democrats in

D.C.

You have no idea how they dispise the work of having to feign "concern" and help the whores the the corporate media provide "bread and circuses" to us lowly non-investor chattering classes.

Welcome My Son.
Welcome ... To The Machine


I don't even fucking recognize my "right wing" Country anymore, much less the horrific right wing (punked as "centrist") views of my party.

Projectile vomiting anyone? :puke: :grr:

[Egnever]

24. and the hits just keep on coming!

One thing I will say, this primary is exposing the women haters and the racists out there on the public stage for all to see.

[Adelante]

29. Ain't that the truth nt

[cindyw]

25. Urban Dictionary defines this as this

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shuck+and+jive&defid=1340082

shuck and jive
17 up, 24 down
Not the whole truth; or manipulating something to get it your way.

Person 1: I don't believe you can still do that
Person 2: I can so *demonstrates*

by Swarsfanatic US Jun 26, 2005 email it
2. shuck and jive
30 up, 12 down
Shuck: To get rid of, ditch, throw away. To try to shed your true image in favor of a false one.
Jive: Trying to adopt a new social status, pretending to be "all that" + a bag of pentium chips.

Rig likes to shuck and jive about his "new" system. Man, dude is running a 286.

tags lie fake farce jest boast brag slick smooth talk tell the truth honesty
by Snaggletoothed Fisherman Eskimo Bay Oct 12, 2005 email it
3. shuck and jive
68 up, 85 down
To act like a *edited (word derogatory to african Americans).

Cleon was shuckin an jivin outside da club.

by Cap'n Bullmoose Apr 23, 2005 email it

[jefferson_dem]

30. Here's a good translation, from someone who seems to know -

"To shuck and jive" originally referred to the intentionally misleading words and actions that African-Americans would employ in order to deceive racist Euro-Americans in power, both during the period of slavery and afterwards. The expression was documented as being in wide usage in the 1920s, but may have originated much earlier.

"Shucking and jiving" was a tactic of both survival and resistance. A slave, for instance, could say eagerly, "Oh, yes, Master," and have no real intention to obey. Or an African-American man could pretend to be working hard at a task he was ordered to do, but might put up this pretense only when under observation. Both would be instances of "doin' the old shuck 'n jive."

Today, the expression has expanded somewhat from earlier usage, and is now sometimes used to mean "talking pure baloney," "goofing off," or "goofing around." The original meaning of deceit often remains, however.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006051720041

[DaveJ]

84. I doubt Cuomo reads the Urban Dictionary

He probably was applying the second (Yahoo Answers) definition, which obviously is a deeply racial phrase but not exactly racist IMO.

I wonder if there are many other sources to back up the way the UD defines it.

[alcibiades_mystery]

26. Steppin Fetchit

Shuck 'n Jive, Negro.

Lookit dat boy dance! Gwine gib da wrinkles in mah brain a process, sho nuf.

[ShortnFiery]

Yeah, and while you're at it, tell "that boy" to know his un place and teach his nappy haired wife

how to dance like those pretty fair-haired white girls do. Awe, I'm no racist but those black folk must know their place and not be a scaring' us white folks with those "savage moves" that Michelle was sporting'. If Michelle were in New Orleans at the turn of the Century, she's make one powerful white man's FINE "cared for" mistress. Why? She's to pretty to be having to lay down with that lowly "little guy" (KKKarl Rove's term) ... yes, a wealthy and powerful white man would be one excellent lover and she's birth him some fine looking children ... "cream in your coffee?"

GAWD, I feel so fucking smarmy!?! ... FILTH! :puke:

[alcibiades_mystery]

44. Correction: some fine chillun

:-)

[ShortnFiery]

70. Yes, I should have asked "Pearl" and I stand humbly corrected.

Gosh, y'all, I declare, the next round of Mint Juleps are on me! ;)

[HeraldSquare212]

27. Wow - and that idiot thinks he can run for Governor of NY?- not anymore

His father's long been accused of posting signs in Queens when he was running against Koch for Mayor of NYC that said, "Vote for Cuomo not the Homo." Guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[Tektonik]

28. I had to look up what shuck and jive meant

What the fuck Andrew, just close your goddamned mouth. :mad:

I wish both Obama and Hillary would lose :(.

[moriah]

37. Glad to know I wasn't the only one! n/t

[BenDavid]

33. So, the statement by andrew is racist? Hell NO.....what upsets

me more about obama the more I see and hear him is his belief that somehow he is as oprah said "the one". I honestly think obama sees himself as some type of messianic figure.....What he said Monday at a rally should make all of you scared. When the man said, " when you go into that booth tomorrow, the heavens will open and a light will shine down on you and then you will have an Epiphany and you will be told to vote for obama.....

Now folks this is scary stuff. we already have a president that believes he has heard the voice of G-d and that he was chosen to be president during this period....

[jefferson_dem]

36. So typical of you to twist this racist (yes, it fucking is) smear into more of a slam on Obama.

:thumbsdown: to you.

[Occam Bandage]

39. The worse the Clinton camp looks, the lower you go to defend it.

[Lerkfish]

51. another "wow"

:wow:

[alcibiades_mystery]

58. One can only conclude that BenDavid thinks that Obama really does "shuck n' jive"

Disgraceful and delusional.

[BenDavid]

85. Shuck:To try to shed your true image in favor of a false one.

Jive: Trying to adopt a new social status, pretending to be "all that" + a bag of pentium chips.
In the sense I believe obama is phoney as the meaning so indicates...

you can make anything into some racist remark.....so let me ask you is the following playing the race card: “minority candidates have ‘a higher threshold in establishing themselves with voters.’” If you said NO, your are wrong. Obama said this and is a laughable claim but a shrewd use of the race card to position Obama for future manipulation of the electoral process.

[dionysus]

89. here, take this shovel.... it's bigger!

[Justitia]

95. LOL! -eom

[Lerkfish]

109. first rule of holes

when you find yourself in one, stop digging.

[DivorcingNeo]

131. Are you completely daft?

That is true!

It's damn true. In everything!

Minorities have to "prove" themselves beyond reproach to be worthy more than anyone else...or they are deemed recipients of handouts, political correctness, shake downs or Affirmative Action!

Wake the fuck up!

[cali]

53. not only do you have a high tolerance for racism, you've made

HIGHLY questionable comments in that arena, yourself.

It's digusting.

And put up or shut your fucking mouth. Post a link for that statement you claim Obama made.

You're a sick person.

[alcibiades_mystery]

60. Obama definitely made that statement at Dartmouth - I watched it

And it was obviously spoken as a joke, as he kept building on it with a smile, and the students laughed at the hyperbole. BenDavid is being dishonest here, taking a kind of jokey statement and presenting it as if he was being earnest and serious.

I defy anyone to watch that Dartmouth speech where he says this and deny that he was being humorous.

[Hello_Kitty]

93. One thing that characterizes most Hillary supporters is their utter lack of a sense of humor

They have this inability to detect sarcasm as well. This is true of her supporters on this site and of most of the ones I know IRL. It's like she's the candidate for stick-up-the-butt people.

[alcibiades_mystery]

133. I don't believe that's true

There are a lot of great Hillary supporters here. BenDavid is a particularly dishonest and nasty one, but many of them are very funny and great people.

[Barack_America]

55. If you don't think THAT was racist, you don't know what racism is.

Would it help you if he said while in blackface makeup?

ETA:

Or you're a racist yourself, which I'm beginning to believe is the case.

[geek tragedy]

59. Well, you can't see racist code very well from beneath

a white hood.

[alcibiades_mystery]

56. Oh please

I saw that speech, and Obama was clearly being light-hearted. You forgot the part where he said "remember epiphany from the SAT?"

In any case, trying to defend obvious racist terminology like "shuck and jive" - which has its roots in racist beliefs about black laziness and mendacity - is really beyond contempt.

It is perfectly fine to defend your candidate, even vigorously and aggressively, as you do. That's fine with that. But when you deny the obvious, you become a fanatic. You're defending shuck and jive? That's fanaticism, pure and simple. It's fine if you dislike, even hate Obama. But your tether to reality is really disconnected on this one.

A ridiculous and contemptuous post, Ben. You need two minute self-reflection time.

[Essene]

Let's strip him down and look for the sign of the beast (nt)

[Big Blue Marble]

72. This is so sad.

On a thread that is pointing out the blatant racist message of a Clinton surrogate, you are accusing
Ohama of being as delusional as Bush! That is over the top.

[dionysus]

87. wow, defense of racist remarks and idiotic slam rolled into one dumbass post.

good work!!

[Patsy Stone]

136. Sure it wasn't...

Riiight.

Because we all know "shuck and jive" is frequently used to describe the actions and behaviors of Caucasians, Asians, Latinos or Native Americans.

Please go read something and come back when you've figured out the derivation of this phrase, 'k?

[sniffa]

147. i'm shocked you took this position

well, no, i'm not. it's you, and your posts revel in this vile shit. :thumbsup:

[Occam Bandage]

35. Lawdy, that sho'nuff is good politickin, mmm!

[David Zephyr]

41. Andrew Cuomo shouldn't have said that. That's pretty low. His father will not be happy with him.

“You can’t shuck and jive at a press conference.”

How ignorant is that? That's really, really low. And it is racist.

That really bothers me a lot.

[suston96]

42. These are absolutely good points: racism and sexism are alive and well.....

...and they should be because they are integrals of the human culture.

People will support a candidate based on his/her sex or on his/her ethnicity. Not entirely, fer sure. Looking at qualifications for office would be nice.

But human nature being what it is, I find little wrong with voting for someone because you like his face or you like the way she laughs.

[ShortnFiery]

57. Translation: I'm a happy servant of the DLC's Plantation and George P. ...

is going to rally the Latinos to make Black voices irrelevant in any election as well as within the Blue Collar work force ... well, that will occur soon after 8 years of Clintonian rule ... But no worries for me PERSONALLY because I'm wealthy: the color GREEN trumps all races in our beloved Corporate United States of America. :crazy:

[suston96]

100. Sorry, don't understand your post......

But as to sexism and ethnicity? It is what got Obama in trouble in NH. "You're likeable enough to me, Hillary"? Without even looking up at her? The media trying to make something over her misty eyed resonance in that cafe? It all backfired. It made women who had never voted in NH come out and support their hurting new sister.

The color GREEN? No, brother or sister, it ain't about money. It's about the human condition which in this election has come down to race and sex and how voters all over the land are going to deal with those natural impulses that always arise in these instances.

Black people will throng to Obama. Women will flock to Hillary. The results will depend on the numbers and the enthusiasm generated by both groups.

[ShortnFiery]

116. Wow! And Congrat! I'm almost speechless. ;)

God, how I HONESTLY wish that I could both intellectually and emotionally "embrace" your contention's above. But I can't. :shrug:

[Barack_America]

45. That is shocking! *mouth agape*...n/t

[geek tragedy]

46. Fuck the Clintons and their nasty, corrupt machine.

I change my registration to Independent if that crew gets the nomination.

[Lerkfish]

47. what a stupid comment, and for the record, I don't blame Clinton for this one

cuomo is just being a worthless ass with that.

[Colobo]

54. The Clinton using racism against Obama. Pathetic.

[fightindonkey]

77. Obama Blaming Bhutto's Death On Hillary

[dionysus]

94. which was never said, just created out of thin air by people like you.

shameless :puke:

[DivorcingNeo]

132. I think you are just about...

as moronic as your avatar and twice as evil.

oh well gawd bless America! :patriot:

[Bonobo]

62. I will be consistent and say you cannot blame Clinton for what another said.

[alcibiades_mystery]

64. I completely agree...This wasn't Clinton or her 'camp"

It was one supporter saying something so incredibly bone-headed that the Clinton camp is probably ripping its collective hair out right now.

More telling is the defense of that obviously indefensible terminology by SOME (not all) on this thread. It's shocking, actually.

[Essene]

68. the clinton camp is NOT smearing or attacking obama. REALLY. NO REALLY

The more reasonable point to make is that Clinton is not in CONTROL of everything her supporters says.

Likewise, Cuomo's comments may have been just an unfortunately bad choice of words.

Pretending there arent attack dogs out, however, is insincer3.

[alcibiades_mystery]

71. There are obviously attack dogs

And for the record, I consider "bad choices of words" to be manifestations of racism. I don't rely on intention, because I consider racism to be systemic, not a feature of the individual.

[Essene]

86. agreed. racism expressed by both intention & simple insensitivity

I dont take Cuomo to be a racist or to have meant anything harmful by these comments.

However, the timing, wording and gross lack of judgment is nothing short of a racist slap against Obama.

This is the _Attorney General_ for the State of New York. That's sad.

[ShortnFiery]

102. Bullshit! Cuomo's a full fledged member of her Smear Machine Democratic Pit Bulls.

I do blame her. Well unless we can put the lid on all the "Penelope Pittstop" ACT and media frenzy that spurred all her selfish crybaby tears?

NO WAY HRC STAY'S ABOVE THE FRAY.

Strap yourselves in because it's going to get *ugly* real fast.

[Essene]

105. ill use [sarcasm] tags next time =D

[wndycty]

69. This shit is happening too much

:kick:

[DivorcingNeo]

134. Tell that to the gays on DU

They would claim a different story in regards to Obama

[Justitia]

65. What an ignorant asshole. And NY's AG to boot. Wowsa. -eom

[Marrah_G]

66. I have to sheepishly admit.........

I had no clue what the phrase meant and I would have never guessed it was racist.

[ShortnFiery]

80. Well, when you look upon the person who is speaking, always remember

that far too often the lure of "money and power" trump whatever ties they choose to hold onto with regard to their ancestral (or gender) roots.

It's like the time Tiger Woods refused to stand up for women when they were denied admittance to a fancy Golf Club. But more WAY way way far more egregious because although it was an "civil rights issue" (women being denied admittance), Tiger Wood is admittedly, NOT a woman, i.e., IMO he somewhat understandably (but seriously disappointed) conveyed that although he's a minority, this wasn't HIS civil rights cause. :shrug:

HRC has had her privilege life "both ways" albeit she had to work "twice as hard" to be recognized as "just as good"- no-one feared her arrival in an upper class white neighborhood like the red headed children who once ran into their house and SLAMMED the door at the arrival of African American women who came to visit me. :wow:

African Americans KNOW what it's like to be "eyed suspiciously" in certain neighborhoods no matter who they are and it just plain sucks. It's also heartbreaking when another member of your gender or race seemingly "sells out" their roots for the cost of increased power, money and/or influence.

[Essene]

91. the phrase isnt racist necessarily. it's the usage

and it isnt that Cuomo "is a racist" either.

It's that directing these comments LIKE THAT... is insensitive in a racist way.

[workinclasszero]

76. Wow, sad...

The Clinton dirt machine is spinning out of control! Why do they feel the need to do the Rethuglicans dirty work for them?

[rucky]

83. What does that even mean?

:shrug:

[IronLionZion]

92. here you go

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuckin%27_and_jivin%27

I had no idea either so I looked it up. I wouldn't have known it was racist.

[rucky]

98. Unbelievable! n/t

[ShortnFiery]

101. No, of course not because ya know, the Bush administration showed us

that a few well placed African American's/Women (oh what the hell! African American Women!?!) in power positions, keeps them minorities/the distaff classes happy. :wow:

In fact, you get a two-fer when the stench of power and prestige pickles their brains until they choose to be PRIMARILY identified as a valued member part of our God Fearin' American Investor Class and not necessarily women or people of color. :crazy:

[IronLionZion]

113. I'm not sure what you're trying to say

or what that has to do with me. :shrug: FWIW, I'm most definitely a person of chocolate complexion. But that shouldn't matter.

[ShortnFiery]

118. You came close. "But that shouldn't matter." No, you're wrong, IMO, it ALL MATTERS. eo

:shrug:

[IronLionZion]

121. Well then, ShortnFiery, you have a nice day. nt

[ItNerd4life]

130. What is wrong with you?

If you aren't sure you look it up? How dare you do the intelligent thing!

BTW, thanks for posting the link. When I first read it, the 'jiving' sounded racist to me, but I didn't realize it would be on Wikipedia. After reading that, I was flabbergasted at the rudeness of the statement.

Thanks for taking the time to do the right thing and become educated and understanding and then sharing it with others. :thumbsup:

[IronLionZion]

138. Yeah, especially in GD:Politics, people get flamed for this kind of stuff. nt

[Seabiscuit]

99. That's disgusting ...

nt

[suston96]

103. All in all ya gotta consider.....

...that a black man running against a white woman is gonna generate erhnics and racism even if it is only in the recesses of people's sexist and racist natures.

Sometimes, people letting these feelings come out is good to remind everyone that that stinky thinking is always there.

[ShortnFiery]

107. True. But it also hits home

that pretty blonde white women are *obsessively coveted* by a white racist society than ANY other faction.

*BTW did I mention that "the networks" are ALL showing a beautiful "glamor pic" of a PREGNANT Woman Marine who has been missing from Camp Lejeune, North Carolina?

OMG! another missing pretty pregnant white woman!?! That's THE ONLY valuable person in the the USA who was reported "missing" today. "Her shining fair-skinned beauty" and golden-color hair must be symbols of our Nation's finest treasure ... our precious bearer of The Master Race. NOTHING. ELSE. MATTERS. :crazy: :thumbsdown:

[suston96]

110. Ah, a little overdone there... she's a pregnant US Marine is what struck me...

...and missing people and children of all colors and ethnics have been reported consistently by the cable channels I watch.

[ShortnFiery]

112. You must not have fully "breathed in" those GLAM Pics?

No, the shameless OBSESSIVE-covereage today - has little to nothing to do with the fact that she's either a Woman Marine, nor pregnant, but a whole hell of a lot to do with the fact that she's gorgeous, blonde, pregnant (oh boy! - a three-fer for the press whores who are taking running bets as to whether or not she's been offed) & presently missing. :crazy:

Whoa! The more people try to justify their fascination with the press's portrayal of pretty missing white women, the more I'm convinced that The United States of America is one seriously RACIST society. It's just moved "underground."

[suston96]

119. Nope. But that's your opinion so I say hold on to it and fight for it. I do not agree.

[Nailzberg]

120. I find it odd that they use the old glamour shot when there are probably more recent photos

I doubt this is the most recent photo of her. Showing something more recent would be helpful to the investigation. Showings a pre-boot camp glamour shot fits better for the Fox News Missing Blonde Woman storyline.

[DivorcingNeo]

135. In the meantime...

Latasha Norman had been missing for more than a week before the Media bothered (under the scrutiny of the Mississippi Sheriff handling the case). They half-heartedly made reference to the case and moved back to endless coverage of Stacey Peterson and Britney meltdown number 425.

Then after Latasha Norman's body had been discovered, I watched MSNBC and the anchor mentioned it with the indifferent inflection that an average days weather report would illicit.

How we have grown as a Nation!

Don't believe the Hype!

Have they found the murderer of the Pharmaceutical rep who was killed in Illinois...

hmm, of course not...have you seen one mention of it on the News...

Hmm, of course not.

In the meantime black women are still being slaugthered and raped in Dunbar Village.

Media BLACKOUT

[Bullet1987]

104. Shuckin' and Jivin' isn't so much a racial phrase like say the N-word

or C**n. But it's one of those borderline phrases that can be taken both ways and it's also stereotypical.

[Essene]

106. On the "racism" charge against Cuomo (clarification)

The words themselves do not have to be either explicitly "racist," or even be intended for harm, in order for statements to imply racism. This can be confusing when charges fly about "racism."

Racism isn't merely a question of bad intention.

It's the look in a child's eye when they hear somebody subtly implies the world doesn't offer them the same hopes and dreams as another child. It's the unspoken historical weight carried by many of our words, our arguments and our delusions of a real meritocracy.

It's the power structure that subconsciously allows an Attorney General for the State of New York to say something so incredibly insensitive and directed at black candidate for President of the United States.

Cuomo is likely to state he meant no harm and poorly picked his words. Mea culpa.

Clinton will have operatives deflecting any ties to her campaign. She may herself comment on his bad choice of words... but the truth is... what he said is PRECISELY the message she's been conveying to the voters.

[rinsd]

108. WTF is wrong with him?

[cloudythescribbler]

111. I know there's a temptation to be funny, but there's really nothing funny about it

Also, while on the subject of Andrew Cuomo, I remember some 16+ years ago, when Dan Quayle was VP, he was interviewed by Sam Donaldson, who asked Quayle a question about "Mario". Quayle, following cues as always (re: potatoe) answered in terms of "Mario". Daddy Cuomo then spoke out forcefully that this reflected a condescending put-down of him as Italian-American. Note that this complaint from daddy Cuomo (it was VERY heavily covered, especially in the NY press) is far less solid than this shameful reference to 'shucking and jiving'. Cuomo, especially as he was targeting the VERY unpopular (especially in NY) Quayle, wasn't called on this stretched milking of political correctness, especially as it was used and introduced by Donaldson.

I also remember, after that press flap, seeing an "I <heart> Mario poster" in my mom's garage, which she unfortunately threw away in 2000 when she moved to an apt. She is & was a longtime Cuomo supporter and loyal Democrat (including being for a while on the state Dem women's committee or something). (Politicians, including "Hillary" OFTEN bend over backwards to be known in mass society by their first name .....)

(Also, Ferraro at about that time or earlier suggested that attention payed to her allegedly mafia husband's dealing was also 'anti-Italian', the idea of this sort of alleged bigotry being very much in vogue in political elite circles at that time)

Meanwhile, one problem we MUST be extremely aware of here on DU, as with Hillary's remark (described in a recent NY Times editorial as "peculiar") about King & LBJ, the controversy ABOUT these remarks, (unlike on the issue of alleged anti-Italianism) tends to emphasize the issue of race in the ears of the intended racist audience, as with the extensive liberal media commentary on the GOP 2000 Convention as a 'minstrel show'.

Bottom line, in the Cuomos (AND HILLARY), we see BOTH what could only be a taxpaying appeal on the basis of race ... and as we can ALSO see it is hardly incompatible with MILKING of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS to the hilt.

Between the two there is what Max Weber termed an "elective affinity".

[Barack_America]

114. Who should we e-mail about this? This needs to be known! n/t

[Nimrod2005]

115. What a low life mother fucker

[BringBigDogBack]

122. What a fucking moron.

[loveangelc]

123. oh, God. Is there any question she's losing SC? lol.

[killbotfactory]

124. Oh, Jesus...

Can the high profile Clinton supporters please avoid phrases with a history of racism behind them?

I expect that kind of shit from Trent Lott, or other republicans, not democrats from New York.

[Seabiscuit]

125. Utterly appalling. This is turning into the ugliest primary season ever. n/t

[mckeown1128]

126. Hey!!! Every one should rec this to the front page for all to see...

This makes me sick.

[Barack_America]

127. Done. n/t

[ElizabethDC]

137. That's a very unfortunate comment, IMO. n/t

[Barack_America]

139. Tucker just brought this comment up to McCollum...

...she wasn't touching it.

But they did show the comment on the screen. First I've heard of it from the MSM.

[DivorcingNeo]

143. Yeah I just saw that too!

I really detest Tucker Carlson. Which makes my skin crawl that he brought it up. It's pure baiting.
That makes my skin crawl.

[Emillereid]

140. Unbelievable display of racism! Shame on him. What an ass!

[Critters2]

142. Holy Crap!!

Just Holy Crap!!

[ariesgem]

144. Look at this trend.

Hussein - Kerrey
Muslim - Kerrey
Drug distribution - Penn
Madrassa - Kerrey
Fairy Tale - Clinton
That Kid - Clinton
Shuck and Jive - Cuomo

What's next? He's a 'credit' to his race. Let them continue to eat away at the black vote. If she wins the general, I've already made a decision to sit it out. Fuck em.

[DivorcingNeo]

145. A friend told me...

today that there are a lot of black bloggers following and discussing the statements and allusions coming out of the Clinton Campaign in regards to Senator Obama. The point is that we are only beneficial to the democratic party in certain States when they need an edge in the Primaries and General Election.

Otherwise they could care less. I really wish Obama was not a Democrat. I wish he was an Independent.

[DivorcingNeo]

148. Bossip

I was curious to see what some black bloggers thought. So I think I will float around and get an idea...

Here's some opinion from the black Celeb gossip site Bossip:

http://www.bossip.com/categories/barack-obama/

[Krashkopf]

150. Has Cuomo issued his "non-apology" apology yet.

It will go something like this. . . I chose my words poorly. I apologize to anyone who might have been offended."