The outrage regarding racism toward Obama would be a little more credible if....

[IndianaJones]

his supporters didn't marginalize and ridicule another minority that spoke out against his use of an ex-gay pastor to appeal to bigoted voters in SC.

[jlake]

1. Amen to that.

[rodeodance]

9. yes, that episode was dissed and forgotten mostly here

[Occam Bandage]

22. Completely forgotten. There are days you can go ten threads without someone bringing it up.

[Hello_Kitty]

29. No shit. I started reading DU after being away for about 2 years about a week ago.

I couldn't believe there was still so much discussion of an incident from 3 months ago that hardly anyone knew about.

I'm kinda ambivalent about it. I think it was a colossal mistake on the part of Obama's campaign not to check the guy out. Apparently, he performed for BUSH at the RNC convention in 04! :puke: That alone should have been enough to ixnay him.

OTOH, yanking him from the show once he was billed would not only have offended the people who wanted to see McClurkin, it would be seen as a slap in the face to the African-American community to appease the gay community (which is largely perceived, I hate to say it, as affluent and overwhelmingly white). Basically, Obama was fucked either way, and made what was probably the politically safer choice.

In the end, the lesson learned was to thoroughly vet people like that.

[yardwork]

30. So Obama decided to slap gay people in the face to appease African Amrericans? What b.s.

What about African American gay people - many of whom post on DU?

Your post proves the point of the OP. You don't give a damn about gay people (yeah, we're all affluent and "overwhelmingly white" - whatever the hell that means).

[Hello_Kitty]

34. My god, where are you getting all that from what I wrote?

If it means anything to you, I refuse to marry my boyfriend because gay people can't marry. Not that it matters, since you seem to be hellbent on rejecting anyone who doesn't fully embrace your idealistic fervor.

BTW, I didn't say that I thought gays were white and affluent, dumbass.

[aquart]

2. They only deplore one kind of bigotry. There are others.

Sexism, I note, gets a free pass as well.

[Bicoastal]

3. Well, forget about those other supporters--I will ackowledge that that was a mistake.

A mistake caused by staff error due to poor research, not by intentional ill-will towards gays, but an error nonetheless.

Still--"shucking and jiving?" Who the hell USES that phrase anymore?

[IndianaJones]

6. that is an unacceptable phrase. the "mistake" was uncovered well before...

the concert, and the decision was made to go on with it anyway.

[ellacott]

7. Many others agreed with you but that wasn't enough

It was a big mistake and this has been said.

[debatepro]

4. Don't homogenize

Millions of us ... have never done such a thing... stop the Rancor! If someone says something you disagree with target them don't lump! This is bump-sticker logic propagated through our society by recons!

his supporters didn't marginalize and ridicule another minority

[Occam Bandage]

5. "Marginalize and ridicule?" BS on that.

McClurkin is a horrendous man, and no Obama supporter would say otherwise. Use of McClurkin was shallow, petty, and a cause of grave concern, and very few Obama supporters would say otherwise. The problem, however, is when you post things like "Obama is homophobic," which is simply untrue. If your concern regarding Obama is genuine, I would think you could make your case without distortions.

[Egnever]

13. Sorry Ill say otherwise

McClurkin is not a horrendous man. His view of homosexuality being something god can cure is misguided but the message he spreads in his music are far from horrendous in fact they are inspirational and lift many people up.

don't forget he said this in his appearance.

"We don't believe in discrimination we don't believe in hatred and if you do you are in the wrong place at the wrong time. God loves Everybody."

That is his prevailing message.

He was raped as a child and it colors his judgment when it comes to homosexuality but it is not the message that he delivers through his music.

The guy is wrong but I don't find him horrendous, just sadly conflicted on this particular issue.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. My Best Friend Was Sexually Abused As A Child And He Didn't G.row Up To Be A Homophobe.

You don't have a right to blame a whole group for the actions of one person...That's the textbook definition of prejudice...

McClurkin also (lobbied) to have a New York City high school for gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered teen agers closed...

One person's pain is no greater or lesser than another person's pain...

If a white woman is raped by a person of color does she have a right to hate all people of color?

If a person of color is raped by a white person does she have a right to hate all white people?

Either we call bullshit on all forms of bigotry or we don't...

[Egnever]

31. your right they dont have a right

but it doesnt mean people these kinds of things happen to arent affected by them and that it doesn cause views in them that they otherwise wouldnt consider.

If I remember correctly his objection to the GLBT schoo was that it opened them up to predators. Something i read I think while researching him after this whole garbage blew up here.

I am glad that your friend didnt grow up to be a homophobe. It doesnt take away from the fact that such an event can cause all kinds of mental harship on a person. Some deal with it better than others.

McClurkin could probably use some serious counciling as he obviously still harbors a lot of feelings relating to his incident.

And once again his music is inspiring have you listened to it? Theres a very good message in his music personal behind the scenes views aside.

I like Ted Nugents stuff, despite the fact that I find him personaly reprehensible. It is possible you know.

[midnight]

8. As a contender for the White House that wants to bring all the

corporate interests to the table and be nice to them and create unity, his personal feelings about same sex partnership and not extending the same unity is difficult to understand. So in the case of discrimination, unfortunately it knows no boundries.

[cali]

10. I have never done any such thing.

Furthermore, I don't blame Hillary for something Cuomo said. I'm tired of this shit. I've stood up for Clinton over and over again- and for her supporters here. Why are you making broad brush accusations?

[IndianaJones]

15. no broad brush. the bigotry shown in that instance would have been completely...

unacceptable if it was race based. Threads got rec'd to greatest status that were unashamedly homophobic.

[cali]

20. not by me.

And you are showing remarkable skill at employing a broad brush. A few asshats does not constitute a majority of Obama supporters. I'm glad I'm far more generous about Clinton supporters despite a few doozies in your midst, than you are about Obama supporters.

[Lerkfish]

11. whew! its a good thing no Clinton supporter made charges of sexism!

wow, lucky thing, eh?

[Little Star]

12. When you catch the fever not even a cold shower can...

make you wake up. So f*ing sad. I come from a different minority than you, but you are spot on. How do you feel being rendered a non-issue? For me it SUCKS!

[bunnies]

14. Now I have fucking heard it all.

Unbelievable.

[Cameron27]

17. Why would you say that?

Just curious.

[Dawgs]

16. Bullshit. Many of us have been speaking out against his use of McClurkin.

You're a fucking liar.

[Dawgs]

18. So, instead of ridiculing the racism against Obama you deflect it by attacking his supporters.

Wow. Don't you people read what you write?

[cloudythescribbler]

19. PURE OBSCURANTISM! Let's see how Hillary reacts to this

Obama sharply distinguished his own views from those of McClurkin on gay rights, but HRC HERSELF made the comment, described in a recent NY TIMES editorial as "peculiar" about MLK and LBJ.

Obviously, as this thread shows, there are indeed folk milking the McClurkin stuff to play politically correct 'gotcha'. Note that in the case of HRC campaign, you see MAJOR figures, including the candidate herself, stirring the pot of race, THE VERY CONTROVERSY OVER WHICH has a tendency to exploit the problem, as a strategy against Obama.

Is there any similar systematic evidence (not to be confused with DU and other troll protestations) of a systematic strategy or PATTERN on this issue by Obama (eg, instances OTHER than the McClurkin event?)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

21. The outrage regarding homophobe would be a little more credible...

if the people complaining about McGurkin were equally concerned about their equally homophobic candidate of choice.

[Hello_Kitty]

24. Fuckin' A!

She's got one co-chairing her campaign in SC.

[Hello_Kitty]

23. Don't tell me what to be outraged about. 'Kay?

Donnie McClurkin is a bigoted asshole but at least he's honest.

OTOH, you have prominent Hillary surrogates going on NATIONAL FUCKING TEEVEE doing this racist dog whistle shit. Smarmy fucking disingenuous lying pricks.

[Occam Bandage]

25. Looks like your baiting here didn't quite work, IJ.

[IndianaJones]

26. thanks for the kicks...and in some very very small way..the rec's. nt.

[Occam Bandage]

27. The more eyeballs you catch, the more fence-sitters you turn off.

[sandnsea]

32. I won't label Hillary Clinton a racist

over something somebody else said. That's the difference. I don't think I've ever labeled HER a homophobe over hiring homophobes either. I never marginalized or ridiculed gays, I marginalized and ridiculed those using the incident for politial attacks.

[jonnyblitz]

33. k&R Hypocrites suck. nt