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Thu Jan-10-08 05:11 PM
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Obama Surrogate on Hardball: Hillary has "Democrats disease" |
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Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 05:17 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
NH Congressman Paul Hodes (sp?) supporting Obama discussing Clinton:
She has what I like to call "Democrats disease." She has a list of issues and of forces to fight against.
(context: offered as a contrast with Obama offering people hope.)
No comment.
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:12 PM
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1. Yeah, Hodes was terrible |
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An awful performance.
What in hell he was talking about, I cannot imagine.
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:12 PM
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more con-text. interesting use of metaphor.
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:14 PM
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5. Maybe He Feels Health Care, Choice, And Affirmative Action Are Superfluous |
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:13 PM
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If he thinks being a Democrat is a disease I have the antedote...
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:14 PM
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4. Issues... opponants... that's so 20th century. |
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Thu Jan-10-08 06:31 PM
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44. It really is getting quite disturbing... |
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I have yet to see the Republicans reciprocate all this "togetherness"crap and I don't like to see Democrats mocking democratic ideals.
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:14 PM
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She has a list of things to fight against!
Good!
I hope it's a fucking long long list!
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:15 PM
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7. ok, DU is on quarantine for Democrat disease |
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Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 05:15 PM by NYCALIZ
apparently being a Democrat is sick, sick, sick
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:15 PM
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8. Obama: "Why can't we all be Demopublicans?" |
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:16 PM
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9. didn't Pelosi and Reid try that already? |
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didn't think it worked well
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:18 PM
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10. In fairness, he remembered the "ic" and didn't call it "Democrat disease" |
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:19 PM
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11. Obama must be appealing to some Nader voters who told us Dems were just as bad as Republicans |
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:21 PM
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14. Sp this guy is campaigning for Obama by dissing the Democratic Party. Well it worked for |
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:19 PM
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12. Umm, is that contagious? *scared* |
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What does this even mean? lol
I realize they are trying to make him sound like an independent, but what exactly is this supposed to mean?
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:20 PM
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13. I'd rather fight FOR something. (Although I'd like to know the context of the quote.) |
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I'll catch up with the later showing of Hardball.
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:22 PM
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15. Fighting FOR something inevitably means fighting AGAINST something else |
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unless your message is political escapism, in which case Republicans and RW corporate interests will just play nice and let you make progress unimpeded.
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:23 PM
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17. I tried to convey it fairly, though limited by short-term memory |
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:22 PM
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16. It'd be nice to have some CONTEXT and an actual quote. |
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:24 PM
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22. Sorry. They don't post transcripts before the shows air. I did the best I could. |
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:23 PM
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18. I didn't see it because I don't watch Matthews |
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unless it's absolutely necessary, but I think (without seeing it) that what he means is that Sen Clinton provides a laundry list rather than a narrative, a set of issues instead of a vision. I think that is actually a fair criticism, because what I think makes Edwards and Sen Obama so compelling--and what made Pres Clinton's speeches away from the State of the Union so compelling--is that they offer a narrative. So, for example, Pres Clinton spoke about a bridge to the 21st century, Edwards speaks about two Americas, and Sen Obama talks about hope. They are all vision narratives less than policy statements.
Is it a "Democrat's disease"? Perhaps. Republicans for the past 25 years have been more successful speaking about what Bush 41 called "the vision thing" better than Democrats (other than Pres Clinton) do (see Reagan, "Morning in America"; Gingrich, "Contract with America").
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:23 PM
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and it's clearly now part of Obama's platform. I'm still fighting for all those things on his list, so I must suffering the same disease that he's dissing.
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:24 PM
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20. Obama has Bush disease all slogans no substance. n/t |
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:24 PM
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21. I'm suffering from democrats disease |
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and I don't wanna cure (Cheesy, I know)
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Thu Jan-10-08 06:28 PM
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43. me too, and I know where we can get help... |
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:25 PM
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23. I watched this exchange, what was so offensive? |
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I haven't decided yet who I am supporting in the primary since my candidate dropped out after Iowa...but what do you think Hodes said that was so awful? He was simply pointing out that Obama represents something new and fresh. Perhaps reframing the fight a bit?
:shrug:
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:32 PM
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26. "DISEASE" to critique your opposition is offensive |
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but maybe you think diseased is a compliment?
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:39 PM
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33. maybe it's the truth n/t |
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:44 PM
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37. Respectfully , If You Think Being A Democrat Is Diseased There Are Other Options |
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Fri Jan-11-08 02:06 AM
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52. If you don't understand what the man said, here's his email |
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address, why don't you ask for clarification yourself? http://hodes.house.gov/contact.aspxI am well aware there are other options, but voting Republican isn't one of them. Bye! :hi:
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:46 PM
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38. tell us again why you are at Democratic Underground |
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when you believe being a Democrat is a disease?
Wouldn't that mean that you have issues of your very own?
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Fri Jan-11-08 02:02 AM
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50. He did not say "being a Democrat is a disease," |
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Edited on Fri Jan-11-08 02:03 AM by 48percenter
perhaps you need to adjust the volume on your hearing aid. He said "Democrat's disease, that in my mind is something altogether different. I think what he was referring to was the endless promises the Democrats make, and then come through on very little. A la ending the war in Iraq. Impeaching the liars, etc. Overreaching, overpromising for years.
Ring a little bell? :eyes:
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:34 PM
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28. The thing is, the Obama campaign is essentially a critique of the Democratic party |
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It plays on our dissatisfaction with feckless Democratic leadership in congress, which is fair enough.
But some of us wonder whether, in a nation taken over by a neo-fascist movement, whether the Democratic party is really the biggest problem.
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:30 PM
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24. Obama is running as Centrist . |
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:32 PM
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27. Not according to the positions he takes on the issues. |
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There's a difference between appealing to centrists and adopting centrist positions.
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:35 PM
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30. What position on what issues |
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are you talking about? I can't find any significant difference in his votes or even his platform, than Clinton's or even Edwards.
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:37 PM
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31. So you think Edwards and Clinton are centrists too? |
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Since they're all the same?
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Thu Jan-10-08 06:33 PM
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46. Yes, I do think they're all the same. |
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Whatever labels you want to put on them, I don't can't think of a single issue in which they're significantly different, except in rhetoric.
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:40 PM
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34. "Reaching across the aisle" is centrist. Or worse. nt |
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:43 PM
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36. No. Its how things get done. Paul Wellstone did it too. |
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Every liberal does it if they care about getting anything done other than throwing red meat in campaign speeches.
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:47 PM
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39. A little red meat would be nice. nt |
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:32 PM
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Obviously the same old list of standard issues and talking points hasn't been working for us. It doesn't inspire anyone. Even with a lousy President like Bush we can barely win anything.
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:34 PM
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29. Right on, we are sick of people like that......nt |
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:38 PM
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32. All the Hilary Haters should be happy . The Campaign is |
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on to get rid of HRC. Bloomberg will run if we have HRC and Huckabee as candidates. This is what is behind MSNBCs relentless attacks on Hilary.
Obama is favored by the Doren Group. Get rid of Hilary or we put Bloomberg in. Just watch and listen.
The first attempt flopped with Media getting egg on their face when HRC won NH.
Elites Elites Elites, Snatch defeat from the Jaws of Victory. Get ready for a loss.
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Thu Jan-10-08 05:41 PM
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35. Because fighting against Fascism is so 1940's. |
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Thu Jan-10-08 06:13 PM
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41. I thought he was running as a Democrat |
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Thu Jan-10-08 06:26 PM
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42. I "Hope" we have get a nice Christmas present |
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from the repukes next year.
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Thu Jan-10-08 06:33 PM
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Thu Jan-10-08 06:35 PM
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47. Paul Hodes - First term NH rep = Obama surrogate? |
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Your arms must be very long.
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Thu Jan-10-08 06:44 PM
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48. snark does not trump facts |
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It was a debate segment between two congressman, one speaking in favor of Obama, one speaking in favor of Clinton.
It was presented as two men speaking in advocacy of the two candidates they support.
If the Clinton guy had said some unfortunate thing in the same segment, he would have been identified by me, and by anyone else, as a Clinton surrogate.
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Thu Jan-10-08 06:48 PM
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Paul Hodes is a Democrat.
Obviously Dems are allowed to attack other Dems. See Bill Clinton v. Barack Obama. Whats the real issue here?
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Fri Jan-11-08 02:05 AM
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51. Indirect attacking through a lackey....classic GOP tactic... |
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Yep, we're chock-full of HOPE, alright...
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