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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 07:19 AM
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REPUBLICANS are our target
I've been thinking about the disagreements that are going on in DU, some including me, and it struck me that regardless of what happens in the next few weeks, we will all need to come together for the GE, regardless of who we choose as our candidate. I think the time to focus on why it is so important that a Dem gets in the WH is RIGHT NOW. With our Constitutional Rights under siege, and a Supreme Court that would go extremely conservative with another Republican President, we need to ask ourselves if we should continue to give the right(wrong) ammunition against our candidates. United we stand. Think about all the platforms that you like about the Democratic Party rather than focus on what few negatives our candidates have. Imagine what 4-8 MORE years of this warmongering, freedom stealing, middle-class erosion, lower-class disintegrating REPUBLICAN bullshit is going to leave us with. I am going to try my damnedest to stop bickering with HRC and JE supporters, and focus on the dismantling of the Rove/Cheney/Bush/Romney/Ghouliani, etc. TERROR machine. Man, I hate those guys with a passion! Please, all Dems, remember that in the end, we NEED our nominated candidate to win to have ANY chance to realize progress in the areas that are so important to our existance.
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nadine_mn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 07:26 AM
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1. Thank for the voice of reason
I am so tired of the name calling and near hysteria. Talk about where your candidates stand on issues rather than just that your candidate should be elected because you said so.

No matter who is the candidate I will vote for the Dem...I agree w/ Kucinich on issues but I like Edwards, I think Obama is intelligent and can motivate many voters, and I respect Clinton.

I miss the Richardson, Dodd and Biden - I hope they have places in the next administration.

But dear god, at the end of the day - we have to get this batch of Republicans out, restore our constitution and civil liberties.

The freepers will tear the Dems apart w/out our help, lets support each other and our candidates.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 07:27 AM
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2. I'm new here,
but it seems that people here are behaving in typical Democratic ways: shooting their own.

We are in a huge open tent with lots and lots of different opinions that won't be silent, even for the good of the group. Frustrating, and also understandable.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 07:36 AM
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3. MY VOTE
My vote will go to the candidate(s) that pledge to prosecute ALL THE CRIMES committed by THE ENTIRE BUSH ADMINISTRATION!

To let all this TREASON go unaccounted for is treasonous in itself. Sweeping it under the rug is not what this country needs to heal itself. Transparency and criminal prosecution is the only avenue to heal the wounds GWB has inflicted on our precious Constitution and Country!

-90% Jimmy
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bigscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 07:36 AM
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4. You say you want
to stop bickering with HRC an JE supporters

But will you support, work for and vote for HRC or JE if they get the nomination?

I agree with everything in your post. i agree we MUST take back the WH

peace
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 07:38 AM
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5. I agree. Since when does a person candidate who says
even knowing what he knows now would have gone into Iraq anyway to remove Saddam, get less flack than a candidate of the very city that was attacked who voted to give the President authority to use force IF NECESSARY and as a last resort and who is one of our own? McCain vs Clinton.

It's shameful for Dems to follow this line, especially since there are many other Dems out there who voted the same way as Clinton who we say we respect and admire.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:10 AM
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6. corporate control of our government is a HUGE negative on two of them....
...and it is at the core of most every issue this nation faces. Sure a Dem - ANY dem is better than none. But the corporatocracy that exists in Washington and corporate control of our gov't is NO SMALL "negative"

It's a BIG one and it is part and parcel of everything else we face.

Sure. I'll support whoever the nom is - even if it's another corpocrat (yep - Obama and Hillary) instead of a real Democrat. But I'd rather have the real Democrat and THAT - regardless of now glamourous or moneyed or interestingly controversial the other two are as "minority" candidates - is THE issue for me.

Beyond that - sure. I'll settle. Hold my nose and vote for too much more of the same.

Puh.
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fuzzy otter pop Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:13 AM
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7. bullshit
Edited on Fri Jan-11-08 08:20 AM by fuzzy otter pop
poverty ignorance racism greed

these are the enemies and they must be resisted everywhere
in both parties
among all people
and
on all continents

this is not about
"go team blue"

at all costs,

this is primary

it should be about

issues
and
actions
not

"affiliations"




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nradisic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:24 AM
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8. I agree
All of the Democratic candidates are better than anything the Republicans can offer. Period. You can support your favorite Democrat, but reserve the bashing for the Repubs....The vast majority of us will vote for who ever is the Democratic nominee anyway.....so stop the bashing....unless you're bashing Republicans....then it is OK.
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fuzzy otter pop Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:30 AM
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9. plueeeezzzzz
you mean don't bash my guy
that is all you mean

grow up

let have a
real primary
then
a real election

its crazy little thing called democracy
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:55 AM
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10. our main objective is to get a Dem in the WH
Edited on Fri Jan-11-08 08:58 AM by alyce douglas
to restore everything we have lost. We have 3 oops 4 good candidates and whoever it is let us find a way to support them.

This election is too important to blow, but remember those who hold power cannot live from election to election that must realized we or they have alot of work to do to clean up this mess of the repigs. The whole process has to be re vamped and changed we have to get new blood in politics. Watching Obama yesterday and all those young people he motivates them, those young people are going to inherit this mess. We have 4 candidates who are all different and reaches different age groups and all spectrum's, Obama appealing to the young, Edwards appealing to middle class and working people and the poor, and Clinton appealing to some women, and the status quo, and Dennis who is truly a fighter and a advocate of the people, I am not being rude to anyone, go with the person who most reflects your views and speaks to the issues.
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fuzzy otter pop Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 09:46 AM
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13. not me. my goal is to make this a better nation,
that being said the best way to do that is to vote D about 98% of the time

but

we have got to keep people honest

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RuleOfNah Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 09:12 AM
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11. Not a rug.
I'll vote (D) in November but I refuse to be taken for granted.
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fuzzy otter pop Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 09:43 AM
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12. word. take nothing for granted
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BeachBaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 09:49 AM
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14. There's something I like in all our candidates....
and that's a good thing!

But in my opinion, I don't think I'm in a position where I can vote for my favorite based simply on "who I like". I have to look at the huge picture in front of me:

1. Which candidate is reaching out to ALL Americans?
2. Which candidate is most likely to gather both the northern AND southern votes?
3. Which candidate is the best representative of our country as we work on mending fences with our allies?
4. Which candidate is most likely to be respected by Middle Eastern leaders?
5. Which candidate will LISTEN to the people who hired him/her before making big decisions?

For what it's worth, I think we're lucky in our choices this time around. All of our candidates are passionate, motivated and - at least from the outset - seem to want to aggressively turn our country back around.

I like Obama - but will he get the southern vote?
I like Hillary - but will she get respect from Middle Eastern leaders, who in some countries, treat their women as animals?
I like Edwards - but will he get the northern vote?
I like Kucinich - but is his "pitbull" style of aggression being taken seriously by the average voter?

And then I have to ask myself.....does any of this matter? Has the decision already been made? We already got screwed out of the last two elections - will this one be any different? From what I can see, Diebold is still in charge. And the PNAC. And the Skull and Bones society.

Gawd....this is so unsettling.
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