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Fri Jan-11-08 11:38 AM
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Hillary panders to Hispanic voters in NV, compares issues to 'guacamole and chips.' |
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Clinton said unscrupulous lending leads to bad mortgages, which lead to foreclosures, which lead to people with nowhere to go and vacant neighborhoods that can go rapidly downhill. "We treat these problems as if one is guacamole and one is chips, when ... they both go together," she said. http://www.lvrj.com/news/13702902.html
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Fri Jan-11-08 03:31 PM
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113. the IP leaped over Logic to give up a very stupid link. |
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:39 AM
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3. that comment doesn't work on quite a few levels. |
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:40 AM
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5. Recommending, because I can scarcely believe I am reading it |
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:45 AM
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13. This incredible stretch of an OP, that is! |
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:52 AM
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16. I just don't understand the rec... |
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Edited on Fri Jan-11-08 11:52 AM by redqueen
when I see crap like this rec'd I think "TROLL alert!"
I guess now I know there might be other explanations.
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:44 PM
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74. I tend to rec OPs like this too. It shows the true credibility of the OPer |
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Fri Jan-11-08 01:15 PM
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:41 AM
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No other politician ever acts like a politician. :eyes:
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:42 AM
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7. A very significant number of Latinos will not vote for Obama. |
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I'm Latino, a black one, and I know how it is... I KNOW how things are... many Latinos laugh at the idea of voting for a black president, including my parents.
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:44 AM
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:55 AM
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24. Latinos feel no brotherhood with blacks? |
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or is there another reason why your parents won't vote for Obama?
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:01 PM
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A lot of hispanics are prejudiced against their black brothers and sisters. Imo, I think it has to do with a lot of them being dark skinned and grew up being called black or the n word from the lighter skinned hispanics, it may have had an affect on them. This is just my opinion from years of observation with hispanic acquaintances, of course.
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:04 PM
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I should REALLY just hide this fucking thread.
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:48 PM
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79. Why? it happens. Ask Eva Longoria. |
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Her own blond sisters, called her the 'little brown ugly one'... in spanish no less.... because dark, because indian, because black is ugly.
Spanish.. white.. is beautiful.
things need to come out so that they're aired and taken care of properly.
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Fri Jan-11-08 01:11 PM
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86. "A lot of _____" are "x" |
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Racist.
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Fri Jan-11-08 01:22 PM
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90. A lot of women are premenstrual. |
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I can say it, because I resemble that remark. :) Right now, it's post menstrual, though.
If I had known about vitamins and yogurt in middle school and high school... a whole lot of pain and fears would have been avoided.
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Fri Jan-11-08 01:23 PM
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"a lot of" probably does make that less unreasonable than some of the crap I'm reading now. I'm just seeing red and need to calm down.
Thanks.
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Fri Jan-11-08 02:55 PM
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I am almost 50 and have been hearing similar comments all my life from Hispanic relatives, neighbors, etc. NOT EVERYBODY, just to be clear to those who think we mean everybody. But enough to know that all isn't what a lot of people want to believe. My Dad's mom never cared for my Mom because she considered her inferior due to her skin tone and hair. That is the truth. I have no reason to lie about it since it's my own family. Fortunately, as I stated in another post, the attitudes, at least among my own family is changing with the younger generations.
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:20 PM
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In my family, at least among a lot of the older generation most of them would never dream of voting for a Black candidate. Racism is something that a lot of people think is between Whites and non Whites but in fact it exists even among one group. And from one group of minorities to another.
My parents were both Puerto Rican. However, on my dad's side there are a number of lighter skinned people including a few blue eyed blonds, a red headed uncle I had and so on. On my mom's side most of them look like what most people think a Latino should look like: dark hair and eyes and light tan, olive skin. My grandmother on my Dad's side was very racist and for years could not stand my mother and called her my Dad's "black wife."
Also, still among the culture many consider it a "step up" to marry a White person and a "step down" to marry a Black person. It's a dirty little secret that many White people are unaware of or never think about because they only think of racism as something between Whites, Blacks, Lations and other races but not something between two minority races like Latino and Black or even within one race.
Thankfully, it is an attidute that I see improving with each generation.
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Fri Jan-11-08 01:12 PM
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87. "even among one group. And from one group of minorities to another. " |
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No... individuals... not groups.
Jesus.
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Fri Jan-11-08 02:45 PM
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109. Yes, individuals within groups. |
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:42 AM
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8. Oh my God. She did not. |
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:44 AM
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11. was that written ahead or spontaneous? |
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:04 PM
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51. "She took notes and munched on tortilla chips." |
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:17 PM
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if this was a prepared speech, it might be tacky and/or pandering, but as a spontaneous remark in a restaurant, this is much ado about nothing
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:45 AM
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12. She was not pandering |
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She was making an analogy
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:52 AM
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17. Will she change it to grits and collard greens in the Deep South? |
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:53 AM
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20. Yes, if they are on the table in front of her as the chips & guac were in this instance |
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:53 AM
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21. That's a very offensive thing to say. (nt) |
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:55 AM
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25. How is it any different than using tortilla chips and guacamole as an analogy |
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:56 AM
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29. because they go together and were apparently present at the time. nt. |
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:56 AM
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30. Because she was in a Mexican restaurant, so the analogy was perfectly innocuous. |
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While what was concocted just there was nothing but typecasting speculation, and therefore, offensive.
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:59 AM
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35. Please. If she sat in a soul-food diner in Alabama, would she make the chips-guac analogy? |
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She panders, big time. Clintons are famous for it. "I ain't NOWAYS taarrrhhhhd!"
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:01 PM
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38. I'll take guacamole over your candidate's using anti-gay acts to pander for votes. |
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And she isn't even my candidate.
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:02 PM
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43. I didn't want to bring up the other candidate's style of pandering. (nt) |
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:04 PM
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50. When Obama reaches the epic Clintonian level of pander to every ethnicity |
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and interest group, I'll concede that you have a point.
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52. I have a point because he pandered at **my** expense, OK? |
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59. If you think so, then you are entitled to be upset. |
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:05 PM
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55. "She took notes and munched on tortilla chips." |
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:07 PM
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60. Yup... I'm not looking for any and every excuse to ATTACK... |
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so I assumed the most reasonable explanation before even seeing it.
I wish more people would not look for malicious, ugly explanations for every fucking thing every candidate does.
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:55 AM
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27. you don't dip collard greens in grits. nt. |
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:57 AM
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32. LOL! I don't think the specific "go with" is the point. |
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:56 AM
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28. Word, weinerdog. it's funny because it's true |
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which makes it not funny at all.
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:57 AM
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31. Of course not. Grits mixed with greens would be heinous |
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:02 PM
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44. Yes, that is true. I spent years living in the South, you'd think I would know |
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the appropriate food companions. Ham hocks and collard greens, maybe?
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:03 PM
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Barbecue and potato salad. |
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56. Moon Pies and RC Cola. |
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:50 PM
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81. caramel cake and red pop |
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Fri Jan-11-08 02:19 PM
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99. Grits and red-eye gravy. |
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As a Michigander, I can't stand it, but I sure saw enough of that combo when I lived in East Texas.
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Fri Jan-11-08 02:45 PM
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108. 'cept'n when they're deep-fried in possum fat... |
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Fri Jan-11-08 02:08 PM
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That would be pandering. :sarcasm:
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Fri Jan-11-08 02:21 PM
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100. Well when I saw her in West Hollywood |
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she opened with "If this place gets any tighter we're gonna need some Astro Glide, ain't I right bitches?" then she gave a big SNAP.
I seen it.
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:48 PM
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78. yup and being culturally sensitive. |
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:47 AM
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14. I guess you should tell that to EL Mundo then. |
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:50 AM
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15. And for her next speech in China Town... |
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She uses the same analogy, but substitutes Chips & Guac for "Chopsticks & a Rice Bowl"...
BLEECH!
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Fri Jan-11-08 02:27 PM
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101. You left out when she's going to slant her eyes |
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and ask if anyone knows a good rickshaw repair shop.
Please note for you next dumb ass fake outrage.
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:52 AM
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18. She was eating at a Mexican restaurant, eating tortilla chips. Some "pander" |
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'Clinton and her busload of traveling press moved from there to the popular local Mexican restaurant Lindo Michoacan, where a "roundtable" that was actually square passed a microphone around to tell her people's concerns about the mortgage crisis and foreclosures. She took notes and munched on tortilla chips.
In broken English, one woman told Clinton how she wasn't making money as a broker anymore.
"I have no income at all," she said. "So how will I survive?"
Choking up with emotion, the woman said, "In my neighborhood, there are brand-new homes, but the value is nothing. I'm glad you are here so I can tell you, because you're going to be the president, I know."
A man shouted through an opening in the wall that his wife was illegal.
"No woman is illegal," Clinton said, to cheers.
Summing it up at the end, Clinton said, "We've only talked to a few people, but each of them talk about some part of the problem we are confronting. This is a problem that is only going to get worse if we don't address it."
Clinton said unscrupulous lending leads to bad mortgages, which lead to foreclosures, which lead to people with nowhere to go and vacant neighborhoods that can go rapidly downhill.
"We treat these problems as if one is guacamole and one is chips, when ... they both go together," she said.'
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:53 AM
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19. That's funny... I just ASSUMED it was at a Mexican restaurant... |
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and that the analogy just popped into her head.
People here are so nutso...
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:54 AM
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22. Nothing this season suprises me anymore. |
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:00 PM
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36. Here's A Paradox For Ya |
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The candidate who wants to unite us has the most divisive supporters on this board...
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:01 PM
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37. Ironic, isn't it? n/t |
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:01 PM
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48. Every candidate has their loose cannon supporters. |
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It's wrong to broad-brush any candidate's supporters simply because some of them are divisive.
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:55 AM
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26. People jump at any and I mean ANY |
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opportunity to slam her. :eyes:
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Nothing more...Nothing less...
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:54 AM
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She's right. But I don't know if that would be considered offensive, I'm not hispanic.
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:57 AM
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33. I'm only half Hispanic. |
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But this ain't offensive at all. It's a tempest in a teapot, launched in deperation.
It's pretty pathetic.
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Fri Jan-11-08 11:59 AM
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34. It's not offensive...it's just a stupid analogy |
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"It's like these here guacamole and chips, ya see..."
I wouldn't call it pandering. Just stylistically amateurish.
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:06 PM
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57. "She took notes and munched on tortilla chips." |
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:22 PM
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What do you do when there's a basket or plate of tortilla chips in front of you.
She was in a Mexican restaurant. Should she have been slurping pho?
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:01 PM
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40. When Obama says he'll address "bread and butter" issues,he's pandering to white folk. |
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Haven't you had wheat bread? :P
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:11 PM
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63. Or would be, if "bread and butter" were not a stock phrase. |
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:47 PM
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77. so if a candidate talks to people with their food group vs the dominant cultures she is pandering, |
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way i see it, she is being culturally sensitive whereas most people assume cultural hegemony
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:03 PM
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46. You took two lines from a positive story and spun it like Rush Limbaugh. |
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All you left out was "Ditto!" :puke:
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47. Isn't that a tragedy? |
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:07 PM
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58. When I read "She took notes and munched on tortilla chips." I got hungry. |
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Her Haters, though, got horny.
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61. At least they are keeping Kleenex and KY in business! |
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:10 PM
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62. Speaking to a college campus: "You see, it's like marijuana and those atrocious clothes you wear." |
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64. Oh for fuck's sake. (nt) |
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65. What, we can't poke fun at a silly-sounding statement? |
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:15 PM
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66. it also doesn't make sense? |
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one thing leading to another is different than things going together?
unless having guac makes you run out and buy chips or vice versa. hmmm. where does salsa fit into this? what's her position on guac on a tortilla?
OK, time to make lunch.
If this is the worst spontaneous campaign remark we deal with this year, I'll be pleasantly surprised.
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:16 PM
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Maybe she should have said.....Go together like McClurkin and a closet. Would Saint BO worshipers be happier with that?
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:32 PM
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72. Speaking of reaching... |
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:25 PM
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71. I'm Italian, I love Mexican food, I eat in Mexican restaurants all the time, |
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as I'm sure there were people there who weren't of Spanish/Mexican dissent, how would that be pandering?
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:36 PM
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73. Oh please, pure B.S.!!!!!! |
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The damn chips were in front of her and she was munching on them. That's why she made the analogy.
Come back when you actually have something to report and not just slinging mud.
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:51 PM
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82. also i mean could people get stupider in their attacks. honestly, nothing makes me support hillary |
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92. "could people get stupider in their attacks" |
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Fri Jan-11-08 01:48 PM
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Fri Jan-11-08 03:55 PM
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114. Stage-craft. Stage craft. Stage craft. |
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Ethos and logos have failed her, so she is reduced to pathos.
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:45 PM
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:45 PM
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76. how is that pandering? thats i just making an analogy |
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:48 PM
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80. K&R To expose the Hillhating OPer |
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The chips & Guacamole were right in front of her when she made the analogy.
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:52 PM
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Fri Jan-11-08 12:52 PM
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84. You are joking, right? |
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Fri Jan-11-08 01:03 PM
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85. Just be glad she didn't say Taco Salad and Chimichangas |
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Fri Jan-11-08 01:17 PM
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Fri Jan-11-08 01:54 PM
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94. Why is she so awkward with minorities? |
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She comes across as someone who has never spent time in multicultural environments, which we know is not the case. So why the hell is she so awkward with minorities? Is it her handlers? They've better get their shit together fast, because this awkwardness could easily be (mis)interpreted as covering up for racism.
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Fri Jan-11-08 01:54 PM
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95. I'm just happy she was able to sit at a diner without crying.... |
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She's showing improvement.
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Fri Jan-11-08 02:03 PM
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That's pretty funny. K&R'ed
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Fri Jan-11-08 02:17 PM
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Los Angeles Fairfax District - Hillary Clinton visits jewish deli and has bowl of chicken soup!
DAMN THAT ANTI-SEMITIC COW!!!
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Fri Jan-11-08 02:38 PM
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103. Clinton Supporter Panders to Hispanic Workers in L.A. |
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I'm having chicken pozole and chips for lunch.
There's NOTHING I won't do to help Hillary out!
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Fri Jan-11-08 02:40 PM
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I'm a white girl of Irish origin and my husband's step-father and two of his close friends - all Hispanic/Latino - say I make the best guacomole they've ever had.
It's just a dip, for Pete's sake.
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Fri Jan-11-08 02:42 PM
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105. That's just a silly analogy |
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Fri Jan-11-08 02:44 PM
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107. This is the stupidest thing I've seen here today. |
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Fri Jan-11-08 02:55 PM
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110. Hillary Clinton speaks in Little Italy |
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New York City - While dining at Ricco's Pizza Village, Sen Hillary Clinton told a crowd, "You know, its-a like-a this-a pizza. If your-a pepperoni no-a good-a, you gotta throw-a the whole-a thing-a outta the window."
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Fri Jan-11-08 03:09 PM
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112. haaaaaaaaaa..& this one just sends the whole thread over the cliff.. |
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You're comparing peperoni & guacamole..both delicious, but not in the same bite.
Cripe this is nuts! peanuts..honey roasted or salted? Beer or cola?
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Fri Jan-11-08 05:58 PM
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115. Look for her to start introducing herself as HillerRrRry (thats a rolling R) |
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Fri Jan-11-08 06:05 PM
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116. She should get Mencia to open for her. |
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Fri Jan-11-08 06:34 PM
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117. Please. What a waste of time. n/t |
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