Obama's political stunt is worse than Willy Horton.

[Evergreen Emerald]

Obama's political stunt is worse than what Bush did to McCain in suggesting that he fathered an "illigetiamte black child."

Obama's political stunt is worse than what Corker did to Ford in Tennessee.

Obama is twisting and distorting Hillary Clinton's words about MLK and calling her a racist.
Obama is twisting and distorting Bill Clinton's words about the media allowing Obama to protray himself one way, when the facts are the opposite.

Look at the timing: SC has a signficant number of black voters. And Obama wants them.

This is the worst political attack I have ever seen.

Clinton or Obama: Who's Truly Playing The Race Card?

by josephpatrick

Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:14:37 PM PST

***cross posted at http://www.politidose.com /

I am sick and tired of the media narrative, and now the Obama campaign's narrative, that Hillary and Bill Clinton, as well as their supporters, are racist. This is an insane notion to throw out to the American people, not to mention a complete and udder lie. So when I see commentators and pundits, both on television and in written articles, talk about the Clintons' racism and prejudice, it truly gets my blood boiling. Now, as Sam Stein of the Huffington Post reports,

"Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign has prepared a detailed memo listing various instances in which it perceived Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign to have deliberately played the race card in the Democratic primary. The document provides an indication that, in private, the Obama campaign is seeking to capitalize on the view - and push the narrative - that the Clintons are using race-related issues for political leverage. "

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/12/211127/932/...

[bigdarryl]

1. Show me one QUOTE where Obama made a statement about the MLK quote she made because...

I don't think he has ever made one. now maybe some of his supporters made statements but you have to show me his statements

[cali]

6. You won't get one.

There is no quote. The OP is putting words in Obama's mouth that he has never spoken, but really what do you expect from certain quarters?

[Tellurian]

17. Wrong, cali..Obama's Camp IS playing the Race Card..

They are desperate to Win SC...and will STOP at nothing to do it!

Even...:gasp: LIE!

[cali]

23. Did you know the phrase "playing the race card" is a wingnut

construction? Can you even acknowledge that it was surrogates of the Clinton campaign that started in with the shit about religion and race via Kerrey, her volunteer coordinators in Iowa and Bill Shaheen in NH? Of course you won't. I've never seen ONE Clinton supporter condemn any of the shit that campaign has pulled. I've condemned Jackson's repellant words, and criticized Obama for not speaking out about it. I don't expect any like honesty from you folks. It's just sad.

[Tellurian]

53. cali- everytime you get caught with your pants down..

you play the "RWNut" card... take some time off. It's easy, just step from your computer for a fresh outlook on life and the facts therein..

[cali]

56. making an accusation without backing it up

and patronizing crap doesn't cut it with me. Not even for a nano second. YOU are far more partisan than I am.

[ruggerson]

61. lol

n/t

[Tellurian]

102. Too Late.. You lost the Popular Vote!

your best hope is the Electoral College..

Maybe someone will suggest you wear those ret. racing stripes worn by Rehnquist during the Call for Impeachment! You never know, they might help.

[Lerkfish]

80. do you have a link? I"m anxious to read this quote.

so far I've found nothing on the web at all to back up your claim

[Marrah_G]

50. The same way people are putting words into the mouth of Sen Clinton

We are being manipulated AGAIN by the gop spin machine and no one realizes it.

Both CANDIDATES need to stand up and say "ENOUGH, WE WILL NOT PLAY THIS GAME"

I am looking at this from the view of an Edwards supporter and frankly it is disturbing to me as a Democrat.

[DUyellow]

60. STILL WAITING for that quote.

[DUyellow]

107. STILL WAITING for that quote.

[Sparkly]

62. Which words, cali?

I really can't stand paraphrases of things candidates said, so if there's one here, I'd like to know.

I also think it's important to distinguish what anonymous "aides" say vs. what candidates themselves say; also supporters who aren't speaking and acting at the behest of the campaign, much less the candidate.

But IF there was an orchestrated effort -- memos, fliers, etc. -- then I think we can assume that's top-down, and the campaign itself (thus the candidate) organized and signed off on it.

So I think HRC and her campaign is responsible for the fliers showing Obama's voting record on choice, and it looks like Obama and his campaign are responsible for these memos. Am I wrong?

[Evergreen Emerald]

64. its all over the news.

[Lerkfish]

81. really? where? I can only find this:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

wherein clinton ACCUSES Obama of saying something like that, but I"ve yet to find an actual quote from him nor a press release.

since people aren't providing that, even when asked, then I'll have to declare this a Parlockian maneuver until proven otherwise

[DUyellow]

88. WAITING for a quote... link.... something.....

[DUyellow]

106. STILL WAITING for that quote.

[DUyellow]

108. STILL WAITING!!!!!

[Skidmore]

2. Wow! Just, wow! Right from GHWB's playbook. A classic!

Pre-Swiftboat, even.

[Faygo Kid]

3. "This is the worst political attack I have ever seen."

What are you, nuts?

[cali]

4. There is NO excuse for this post.

Posting it here say everything anyone could possibly know about how low your standards are.

What you claim is simply flat out false. Obama has said NOTHING you're attributing to him. Comparing this to Willie Horton is sleaze of the first order.

It's simply shameful, even if totally predictable, coming from you.

[Evergreen Emerald]

9. Did you read the story?

His campaign sent out a press release suggesting the racist statements the Clintons have made.

Now, you can continue to attack me Cali, or you can discuss the issues. I am attempting NOT to attack you personally.

[jackson_dem]

90. He won't. I showed him that memo yesterday and he ignored it

[mod mom]

26. I am embarrassed that this ugly racism has raised it's ugly head.

I came to DU after witnessing the misallocation of voting machines in low income Af Am precincts that I have canvassed during the '04. I was appalled be the challenges to African Americans at the hand of GOP partisan hacks. I am even more appalled that it still lives within our party as well. I thought we were more evolved.

You are right cali, this is shameful.

[Evergreen Emerald]

38. It is shameful. It is shameful that Obama is using a lie of racism

to gain votes. It is shameful.

[mod mom]

51. When you have Clintonistas using racially charged comments, it is SHAMEFUL:

It's not whether the white speaker found it offensive but rather how African Americans feel about them. Read this on the Cuomo comment (brushed off by Clinton supporters):

This is for those who want to act "special" and pretend they don't know what Andrew Coumo was up to when he used the phrase "shuck and jive". Here is the definition from encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com

Shuckin' and jivin' (or shucking and jiving) is a slang term primarily used by African Americans. It refers to the speech and behavioral mechanisms adopted in the presence of an authority figure <1>. Shuckin' and jivin' usually involves clever lies and impromptu storytelling, used to one-up an opponent or avoid punishment <2>. Such behavior is believed to have originated in the era of slavery <3>.

Also just in case you want to act even more special and pretend that you had heard that phrase recently or think it is commonly used then you probably still wear leisure suits and think "Three's Company" is still a #1 show.

In my opinion Andrew Coumo would have never uttered those insensitive words if the conversation was not focused on a black man.

-snip

http://aaopinion.blogspot.com/2008/01/lets-not-let-andrew-coumo-shuck-jive.html

[indimuse]

65. Shuck and JIVE this...and have an Oyster while you're at it!

Let's try this One MOOORE TIIIME.."Black America will wake up"--Michelle Obama on MSNBC.
TOO late...she put it out there..And a lot of people I've talk to black white purple orange red....said when Obama used Oparah to up his popularity.."It was all about race."
{br} then you have Big Fish JJJ in Obama's campaign out then Talkin smack about Katrina and Hillary's tears...trying to bait the emotions of black voter ...hence SC...It has been about RACE from the beginning....But most folks don't want to admit it. p.s.....WE all know HIllary had the HIGHEST # going into SC....Obama...does'nt WANT them...HE NEEDS THEM!




"Black America will wake up"--Michelle Obama on MSNBC.
WASHINGTON—With polls showing African-Americans have yet to give overwhelming support to White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), his wife Michelle said “black America will wake up and get it" in an interview running on MSNBC on Monday.

MSNBC is using excerpts of a Michelle Obama interview to run in full on Tuesday morning. In a clip that’s featured in the afternoon cycle, Michelle Obama invoked the name of civil rights leaders Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King Jr. when talking about African-American turnout, a crucial voting bloc for the Illinois senator.

Michelle Obama said there was a "natural fear of possibility" and that there were times in her life when she was put down and not encouraged. There is "always that doubt in the minds of people of color."

She said the African-American community has to shake of its fear

“That’s what we want to show our community,” Michelle Obama said. "...We can do this too."

If elected, Obama, whose mother was white and father black, would be the first African-American president.

If Michelle believes that every black American should automatically support her husband, perhaps it is she who needs to wake up.

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THe denial of Obama's supporters say a lot! Anyone who has eyes and ears and are SANE realze and are witnessing what is happening. I am thoroughly ASHAMED of Obama and his continued MUTE BUTTON approach...allowing and condoning these fraudulent assault on Hillary..Just like his voting record he proves again and again the he stands for zero OR simply for HIMSELF...I find this more of a WIMPS approach. TELL me how this is good for America...Tell me what kind of an Honorable man woulds allow his OWN campaign in HIS OWN PARTY((still not convinced))) to DISROY the work of woman who has STOOD firm throughout her life for Civil Liberties and the betterment of ALL people. This is NOT the BEHAVOIOR a NOR Characteristic an American President should wears!

I am not against Obama! I AM for Hillary! But zero tolerance for the blatant double standard so ramp-id on this site.
edit for super bad spelling:

[indimuse]

68. another thing..this reveals Enormous irresponsibility....

Exactly WHAT we've had for the entire BUSH REGIME FIASCO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!This is not a game it is not funny...it is a very serious STINGING issue. It is hurtful and must end. BUT we must stick to the facts! The facts are on Hillary's side...PERIOD!

[loyalsister]

75. Yep she knows from what she speaks

"Just remember ladies, it takes a man to get the job done" should sound familiar to her and is analogous to..... "just look what we men did for you."

Aren't you glad the white people "gave" slaves Christianity?
There wouldn't have been a civil rights movement otherwise as MLK would never have risen to the occassion.
Just another thing to thank white people for.
Those are the facts, no?

It was HER comments that opened this can of worms, not the interpretation. Given the top comment and certainty that she came across it somewhere, she knew better.
This was wrong to begin with on so many levels and it began with her comments and the immediate delivery in her speech when she said to paraphrase "MLK all did good work, but it took a president to get it done."

I knew it that night.

[Evergreen Emerald]

5. please. He is using his henchmen.

The old political trick of having his surrogotes do the dirty work. You bring up a straw man defense. And if not, then he should be on every talk show this morning denouncing the lies.

"His campaign prepared a detailed memo."
Kerry is on the talk show this morning twisting and distorting Clinton's words.

[origin1286]

8. So wait...

When Hillary's supporters make racist comments or sue to stop votes, it's not Hillary's fault.

When Obama's supporters cry out over the comments and lawsuit, it's Obama running a dirty smear campaign.

lollerskates.

[Evergreen Emerald]

14. The point is that they are not racist comments.

When Clinton said it was a "fairy tale" he was referring to the media allowing Obama to re-write history. That IS NOT RACIST. And yet it was twisted to be racist.

The MLK quote of Clinton: IS NOT RACIST, and yet it was twisted and she was called a racist.

It is the dirtiest of smear campaigns I have ever seen.

[Lerkfish]

101. but the cocaine dealer, the shuck and jive, etc. THOSE are racist, right?

yup, yup, they are.

[creeksneakers2]

42. She can't be responsible for the things supporters say

She is responsible for what her campaign puts out. The campaign can do something without her knowledge, but if its not what she wanted done she should say so.

Same with Obama. This comes from a fact sheet put out by his campaign.

[cali]

15. Please yourself- and it's obvious that's what you're doing when

you put words in Obama's mouth that are completely false and made up by YOU.

As for surrogates; Bwahahahaha. Clinton surrogates have done nothing wrong in your book- even though she's had to sever relationships with her NH co-chair and 3 volunteer coordinators in Iowa.

A detailed memo? Anyone seen it? How do we know this is even true? Let's find out a little about the author of this piece you're so deeply enamoured with.

[Evergreen Emerald]

20. deny the facts Cali

The MLK statement of H. Clinton was not racist.
The "fairy tale" comment of B. Clinton was not racist.

To suggest that they are--instead of focusing on the great things the Clintons have done for civil rights--is the dirtiest campaign smear I have ever seen to date.

[Lerkfish]

83. you guys are a bit short on "facts" in this thread: do you have a link?

you know, one that actually quotes Obama as saying this, or the press release?
so far, I'm only finding stories of Clinton ACCUSING him of such, but no credible evidence.


and frankly, even if he DID say that, I'd have to agree with him: the Clinton campaign is like a train wreck -- they're using Mark Penn republican-tactics to whip up fear of a black man: they've accused him of being a drug dealer, used his kindergarten essay against him (LOL), shuck and jived, and implied how the south could never elect a black man.

its a pattern of noncoincidence, and it is making all democrats look awful. Her campaign should cease and desist.

[karynnj]

86. Kerry refused to discuss the back and forth of the campaigns explicitly

He then transformed the question to stating his thoughts on who causes change. His answer used examples that he has used at his own political rallies, at graduation ceremonies where in a non-partiasn way he has encouraged kids to be active and involved. Kerry, after all was an anti-war and environmental activist for more than a decade before he went into politics. That change usually comes when activists push politicians was his view. You and HRC can disagree with it, but he is entitled to it. I can find quotes that echo it in the Senate record that go back to the 1990s.

How could he have distorted or twisted HRC's words when he didn't say what she said.

[Renew Deal]

7. Yes, It's Obama's fault that Hillary's people can't control their mouth's.

That's a good one. What else do you have? lol

[Mojorabbit]

10. I know your post is serious

but this is an aside. I am somewhat warped and when I read "udder lie" I had a mind picture of a cows udders with the word lie emblazoned on it. I needed the laugh.
It would make a great photoshop.
As to the post, I am keeping an open mind and hoping out candidates don't destroy eachother before the general.

[bigdarryl]

11. they did in fact make OVER TONES and Dick Morris predicted that they would do it and...

you can bash me all you want about Dick Morris but remember he was in Bill Clinton's campaign in 92 and was a adviser so he knows how they play the game.

[Evergreen Emerald]

16. Dick Morris?

Dick toe-sucking-Clinton-hating-FauxNews-Morris? I do not believe ONE THING out of his mouth.

[creeksneakers2]

46. Dick Morris is a scumbag

Dick Morris makes his living slandering the Clintons. He'll say anything for a buck and he gets a buck every time he trashes the Clintons.

[Kahuna]

12. But Hillary SHOUTING during the NH debate, 'VOTE FOR ME, I'M A WOMAN",

and her contrived emotional moment to make women feel sorry for her is just fine, huh? :eyes:

[OzarkDem]

24. Are you a woman?

If so you would know there's a very big difference between, say, promoting your strenghths as a woman and accusing someone else of calling you a second class citizen and discriminating against you and other women because of your gender.

[Kahuna]

28. What you said doesn't make any sense to me. It doesn't address..

Hillary saying during the NH debate, If you vote for me it's a change because I'm a woman. If Obama or Richardson had countered, Vote for me because I'm black and vote for me because I'm latino there would have been hell to pay.

[OzarkDem]

35. You must be a white male, then

Instead, Obama countered by calling Bill and Hillary Clinton racists. Very big difference.

[Kahuna]

45. Wrong again!

:P

[Eurobabe]

13. Them's some harsh words there...

[cali]

18. Says a lot about some Hillary supporters that this

repugnant post gets 4 recommends.

[Evergreen Emerald]

21. Repugnant: twisting and distorting words and calling them racist

That is repugnant;

Pointing out the political tactic: TRUTH

[cali]

25. Truth? You wouldn't know it if it walked up

and kicked you in the rear. You don't even have a passing acquaintence with it if one is to go by your OP here. Obama has called no one a racist. Far from it. And the ONLY person connected with the Obama campaign who's flirted with such an idea in loose cannon Jackson.

[Evergreen Emerald]

27. The facts are before you eyes : his CAMPAIGN sent the press release

You can ignore that all you want and continue to spew personal attacks. Or you can address the issues.

And I notice that when one of Obama's supporters or campaign workers says something horrifically sexist and racist--they are "loose cannons" when a clinton supporter does something--you attribute it to Clinton.

Double STandard.

[cali]

31. What nonsense.

You provide no links, no evidence and defend Clinton on such things as Shaheen, slimy emails and Bob Kerrey. You are both the pot and the kettle.

[Evergreen Emerald]

34. step back, look at the facts: SC with huge black vote, Clinton great on Civil rights.

Obama: wants to win SC. Suddenly: Clintons accused of racism. Suddenly: press release from Obama campaign accusing Clintons of racism.

I gave you a link that you choose to ignore--because, how can you spin it? How can you justify Obama sending out a press release claiming that Clinton is racist?

Lowest political smear I have ever seen.

[TankLV]

77. It's "cali" - what did you expect?!

[Lerkfish]

79. do you have a link to that press release? I'd like to read it.

thanks

[jackson_dem]

91. here's the memo and Obama's spokesperson

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/read-obama-campaign-memo-_n_81220.html

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/obama_spokesperson_asks_is_there_something_bigger_behind_bill_and_hillarys_race_comments.php

[Lerkfish]

100. ok, the first link says its a memo but has no proof, actually, even so

the substance of the memo is correct, is it not? Its referring to things already in the public knowledgeg.

the second link asks whether this represents a deliberate pattern, the same question I've been asking over the last couple of days, and I'm not an Obamam supporter.


thanks for the links, though, even though they still are using hearsay and not actualy documents.

again, though, I don't see what advantage this is gaining for the Clinton campaign.

[Derek Roy]

19. Kucinch v.s. Obama v.s. Clinton

Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton say they are for change however they support many policies of the Bush administration. There Platforms are overwhelmingly similar, and include many issues most politically educated people would understand to be a more conservative stance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt0iTWQxykQ

Kucinich has been blocked out of the media and excluded from many debates, it is up to us to educate our selfs on the candidates and not allow the media to foce feed us lies

[indimuse]

72. i saw this..

pretty cool..

[OzarkDem]

22. Obama's campaign is a new low in Dem politics

If he keeps this up, his campaign is going to implode.

Keep it up Obama, you're showing us why you're not ready for prime time.

[Evergreen Emerald]

30. I forgot about Jackson on CNN--that is another piece to this

political puzzle.

[cali]

36. I've condemned Jackson. Will you condemn Shaheen, Kerrey

the bogus lawsuit the emails in NH and Iowa? No? What a surprise.

[SIMPLYB1980]

59. Obama hasn't.

[Lerkfish]

29. just keep digging yourself in deeper.

here's how it works:

if someone accuses you of being a racist, you deny the charge but apologize for the misunderstanding.

you do NOT attack the person you ALREADY slimed, that just makes it clear it ABSOLUTELY WAS racist.

geez, you guys are NOT helping your cause with this attack mode at all.

think about it.......I mean really, think about it.

[Evergreen Emerald]

32. when did you stop beating your wife Lerkfish?

Those are not so easily dismissed. They are not so easy to deny.

And frankly, they should be called on their abhorrent behavior of accusing people of racism just to gain the black vote.

[Lerkfish]

76. wow.

have you even read your post?

my point, which apparently eludes you, is that attacking someone that you have already shown a pattern of questionable characterizations, is not the best strategy because it only confirms the charge.

and your last sentence is just what I'm talking about.

[cali]

33. You are absolutely right.

that's exactly how it works. And it's so frustrating that Clinton can tout herself as a woman, but Obama has to "transcend" his race and not be too "black".

good post.

[Evergreen Emerald]

37. really? Just deny it and move on--don't question how it suddenly

became news?

[ClericJohnPreston]

47. This back and forth ranting is

more disgusting than anyone in the political ring.

All I see are entrenched idelogues here who play at keyboard warriors.

You will solve nothing here.
You will come to no conclusions.
You will simply sow seeds of discontent.
You won't listen, as the succeeding posts will demonstrate.

[Evergreen Emerald]

49. you are right.

I am just...very upset at this new racism twist.

[Lerkfish]

78. now you might understand how people were upset at the "sexism twist"

the only difference is, the sexism charge was unfounded, IMHO

but, even if it was valid, since it benefitted Clinton, it was ok to use, for some people.


The sexism charges happened all along, the racism charges are happening due to specific and collective incidents, which have been discussed ad nauseum here in many threads.


In other words, the sexism charge was a phantom charge for the most part -- leveled at anyone who disagreed with Clinton's policies, then the charge came that they MUST BE SEXIST, with no evidence to back that up except expressing an opinion on policy.

But the racism card can be directly tied to specific comments by Clinton campaign staffers, idiots maybe, but at least there is evidence to support that charge.

do you see the difference, now?

[OzarkDem]

39. If their accusation is groundless

there's nothing to apologize for.

Calling Bill and Hillary Clinton racists is totally uncalled for and makes Obama look really bad.

This is a new low in Dem politics. The GOP must be loving this.

[indimuse]

73. agreed...

and sad..

[tularetom]

40. If he's doing that he ain't the kumbaiya singing innocent they say he is

He is a product of Chicago politics and he's not above playing tough politics. She's been forced to defend statements made by her and Bill that weren't racist and she's fallen right into the trap. She is now totally on the defensive. We were told that she was a tough no nonsense campaigner and Obama was too naive to stand the rigors of all the shit the repubs would throw at him. I don't think so. In spite of all Hillary's "experience" she doesn't seem to know how to deal with allegations. She keeps digging herself in deeper with each denial while the African American votes go away.

If she can't deal with Obama's machinations how will she ever stand up to all the bullshit the repukes will dream up in the GE?

[Evergreen Emerald]

44. The problem is that Obama has the media on his side.

And remember: his campaign is run by old Washington insiders. Axelrod has been around for years.
The question is: do you want this BS in a campaign?

[tularetom]

52. Doesn't matter whether I want it or not it's gonna happen.

And the media is going to be against whoever the Dems candidate is. The question is who is better able to fight back. and based on what I've seen so far Hillary doesn't stand up very well under pressure. She may be a better potential president than Obama but she has to get elected to prove it. And if she keeps getting trapped in bullshit non controversies like this she'll never get elected.

[NoBorders]

41. I disagree.

[OzarkDem]

43. The GOP must love Obama's meltdown

Playing the race card and accusing other Dem opponents of racism this early will work very well for the GOP candidates.

Seriously, does Obama have any GOP'ers working on his campaign or advising him? Is it possible that, because of his lack of experience, he's letting suspect people give him advice?

This is the danger of young, inexperienced candidates - they make stupid mistakes and play into the hands of the opposition.

21st century US presidential campaigns are not for newbies.

[Cameron27]

48. Obama should address the memo

that was sent out from his camp.

[indimuse]

74. and....

jjj!

[Cameron27]

105. Of course

JJJ.

[jackson_dem]

92. Obamites here are pretending they never heard of the memo!

[SaveElmer]

54. I'd reconciled myself to voting for Obama if he won the nomination...

I am now reevaluating that decision...

[Evergreen Emerald]

58. I know me too.

I have had such trouble with this election. When Edwards said Clinton had no conscience to get votes and now Obama uses race to get votes in SC, it is very disturbing.

I think it is so important because of the past eight years and how much is at stake for us.

[ShadowLiberal]

55. Wrong, Obama never called Clinton a racist

Strange that Hillary can play the gender card, but when the media constantly plays back Hillary's mistakes it's Obama playing the race card.

[protect our future]

63. I never, ever heard Obama call Clinton a racist, and I pay extremely

close attention to the national news channels.

Could I have missed something?

Probably not, because if Obama had uttered such a remark it would make the headlines.

[protect our future]

57. First of all, the reference to Huffington Post sets all my mental red flags

to waving because I sense evil afoot there and no longer visit the site.

Secondly, the *udder lie* misspelling in the post above seems a bit strange. Freudian slip perhaps?

[dionysus]

66. here;

[NightOwwl]

67. I am reconsidering my support for Obama.

He is playing the race card and he damn well knows it.

Big, big mistake.

[Cameron27]

69. Big, big mistake

[DUyellow]

89. dont be such a tool

[vee]

70. Another Whirling Dervish poster. Go back to the circus with your spin!

[Proud2BAmurkin]

71. K/R

[Emillereid]

82. The instant I read Hillary's quote about MLK I thought it was belittling

to King's enormous role in getting civil rights legislation -- way before I read anything from Obama's supporters. Yes, Congress had to pass it and LBJ had to sign it -- but MLK and the civil rights movement had already rolled the boulder to the top of the mountain and it didn't take much to push it over the other side.

[karynnj]

84. Your prospective is pretty partisan

This was a problem that HRC brought on herself. People are reacting to what was said. I don't see HRC's comment as racial, I see it as too insular thinking that the President at the time gets the credit. There are some cases where the President can institute change single handedly, through an executive order or as CIC, but more often it is a combination of forces outside DC, the Congress and the President.

But there is nothing Obama has said to distort her comment.

[lumpy]

98. I agree with your statement, however I fail to see that the

reference to MLK was racist,let alone a smear against Obama. Same as B. Clinton invoking the name of Nelson Mandela, not racist. Bringing up Obama's drug use,although not kosher and lowdown,was not racist.
Not at all helpfull that this is discussed with such vehemence on this forum. The GOP outta' be loving it.

[karynnj]

99. I don't see it as racist but I do see it as diminishing the role of King and others

I see it as being too willing to credat the President with everything that passes. Here, I think it took guts for LBJ to do it, but it would not have happened in that decade without King. It could have happened with another President. (HRC should consider whether Bush deserves all the credit or whether Kerry and Frist deserve credit too for the AIDS in Africa program Bush signed into to law that greatly increased assistance over what Clinton allowed when he was in office. (Kerry advocated for it and his SFRC staffer and he wrote it and got Frist on board. Or does Bush get credit for the first increase in 20 years in CAFE standards. He signed it into law.)

You needed King plus the movement he fostered and people in the Senate willing to risk their seat to do what was right - as Al Gore's dad did.

I think it was a politically strange comment - MLK is an icon and LBJ isn't though without Vietnam he would have had a shot at it.

[karynnj]

85. Your prospective is pretty partisan

This was a problem that HRC brought on herself. People are reacting to what was said. I don't see HRC's comment as racial, I see it as too insular thinking that the President at the time gets the credit. There are some cases where the President can institute change single handedly, through an executive order or as CIC, but more often it is a combination of forces outside DC, the Congress and the President.

But there is nothing Obama has said to distort her comment.

[MethuenProgressive]

87. Will Obama be as successful Swiftboating Clinton on Race as Rove was...

...Swiftboating Kerry on his Vietnam record?
I hold out Hope that we Democrats reject Obama's embrace of Swiftboating tactics.

[Cha]

93. What a disgraceful

post..hillary is proud of you.

[hayu_lol]

94. With all due respect to Obama supporters...

Obama, for all his southside Chicago upbringing, has been pretty much given a pass by both the media and the Repugnants.

If he becomes the nominee, the hounds of hell will be after him, just as they will be for Hillary or Edwards.

If he becomes the nominee, and he well might, then how do we protect his candidacy? That perhaps is the real question here.

If Hillary or Edwards takes the nomination, how do we protect their candidacy?

We have gone through 8 years of hell. No solutions except to give BushCo his passport and let him escape to Paraguay.

Our nominee is the solution to BushCo. Good luck to all of the candidates.

[vee]

95. whoo, whooo, whooooo...The sound of BOOMERANG tactics, watch your head!

[VotesForWomen]

96. well, it's definitely a bad political stunt. nt

[lumpy]

97. Get out of the forest

This whole thread is a fairy tale.

[Laelth]

103. Hmm ... n/t

:popcorn:

-Laelth

[Occam Bandage]

104. Obama never played the race card. The campaign has never called the Clintons racists.

Why are you spreading this lie?

[ellisonz]

109. How the hell rec's this shit?

[grantcart]

110. Obama needs to apologize now

for something he never said.