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Sun Jan-13-08 12:23 PM
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Clinton is running the most suspect democratic presidential campaign |
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I've ever seen. Far worse than what Gebhardt did to Dean 4 years ago.
It was Clinton surrogates who introduced race and religion into this campaign. It was the Clinton campaign that sent out false emails about Obama's position on choice that had NARAL NH rebuking her in a letter. It was Clinton's campaign that harassed Obama volunteers at the polls, and drew a rebuke from the NH SoS. It's Clinton supporters who are suing out in NV and waited until 2 days after the CWU endorsed Obama to pull their little voter disenfranchisement trick. It was Clinton who lied and said Axelrod accused her of assassinating Bhutto.
Dishonesty and dirty tricks straight out of the repuke handbook .
I hope the voters see through this crap and take it out on her by voting for Obama, Edwards and Kucinich in MI, NV, SC and the Super Tuesday states.
Years and years of the Clinton shenanigans back in the White House? It's a repellent thought. I truly hope I don't have to vote for Madame Triangulater on November 4th. I'll need more than just a clothespin.
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Sun Jan-13-08 12:25 PM
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Sun Jan-13-08 12:30 PM
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3. Another profound response.. |
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Sun Jan-13-08 12:31 PM
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4. This poster continues to show what an astute poltical analyst he is, by his use of personal attacks. |
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Sun Jan-13-08 03:16 PM
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19. he speaks for me, too - GET OVER YOURSELVES! |
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Sun Jan-13-08 12:27 PM
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2. It's gotten really nasty. Last time she went on the attack |
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she lost support. What will happen this time?
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Sun Jan-13-08 02:01 PM
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Axelrod went off on a diatribe and said that if Hillary had done things differently, then Bhutto would still be alive. It was "butterfly effect" science-fiction postulation, and as such was total fabrication. It was also vicious and disgusting; Benazir Bhutto hadn't been dead for two days when Barack Obama's campaign guy was out there blaming Hillary for her friend's death.
It was vile.
Paul Krugman, a major progressive of our time, gave an honest and intelligent critique of Barack Obama's health care plan. Obama's website didn't respond to the merits; they attacked the man, taking quotes out of context, twisting them, in order to suggest that Paul Krugman is a liar.
Barack Obama's followers carried this torch. I haven't seen such a frenzy of dishonesty since the original swiftboaters. And every bit of it was a lie.
Barack Obama has been running the exact same campaign that George W. Bush ran: talk about faith and hope, while allowing his surrogates to behave in the most vicious and dishonest manner possible.
I will plug my nose and vote for Obama, under certain circumstances -- but it's clear that he has run the dirtiest, most cynical, and hypocritical primary campaign of any Democrat in my lifetime.
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Sun Jan-13-08 02:15 PM
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13. You know, I've got some issues with Obama, but your post is ridiculous |
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"dirtiest, most cynical, and hypocritical primary campaign of any Democrat in my lifetime" ???
Hardly. If anything, Obama's campaign (from what I've personally experienced through encounters with local Obama people and seen at the national level) is the most refreshingly above-board, well-organized and professional organization I've ever seen. Sure, primaries are very ugly things and mistakes have been made by all the candidates and/or surrogates. Obama supporters could just as easily cherrypick examples, as you did, to "prove" that Hillary's campaign is the dirtiest, sleaziest, etc. One that springs to my mind is the distortion they deliberately spread about Obama's present votes on abortion in the IL legislature. That was really shitty of them and they got slammed by Planned Parenthood and NARAL for doing it.
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Sun Jan-13-08 02:48 PM
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The best description I have seen yet.
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Sun Jan-13-08 02:02 PM
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6. It will backfire on her, trust me. Union workers in Nevada |
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Sun Jan-13-08 02:07 PM
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7. Another narcissistic, masturbatory post |
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that attempts to make the followers of one candidate feel like they have the moral high ground, so they can all gravely shake their head in faux righteous indignation.
We have officially sunk to the intellectual level of toddlers.
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Sun Jan-13-08 02:10 PM
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8. another stinker of a thread |
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all one has to do is review the November debate when Hillary was mauled to see that all sides have played rough in this race. Don't let partisanship blind you to the facts.
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Sun Jan-13-08 02:11 PM
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9. I agree. I dislike her more and more each day for using GOP tactics. |
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And that dislike has nothing to do with the main reason I can't support her - her inability to admit her IWR vote was a mistake and continuing to support Bush's war.
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Sun Jan-13-08 02:18 PM
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But that sounds about right to me, too. :thumbsup:
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Sun Jan-13-08 02:12 PM
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11. you remind me of Dan Dierdorf. nt. |
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Sun Jan-13-08 02:15 PM
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12. How do explain Maya Angelou's unwavering support of Hillary? Is Maya a dupe? |
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In a terrific CBC interview Maya Angelou was asked what her friends MLK and Stokely Carmicheal would think of her supporting Hillary over Obama, she didn't hesitate in her reply.
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Sun Jan-13-08 02:20 PM
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15. Why should I explain it? What on earth is your point? |
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People I admire and people I don't have endorsed all the candidates. That's entirely their right and I have never once criticized any individual for choosing to endorse a candidate, or criticized any candidate who is endorsed by someone I have little regard for.
I don't like the way Clinton is running her campaign. It's that simple. I've said repeatedly that I'll vote for her if she's the candidate, and I can't imagine any circumstance that would change that, but Maya Angelou's endorsement means absolutely nothing to me one way or another.
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Sun Jan-13-08 02:47 PM
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16. Angelou is not a fly by night blogger. I 'm not a Hillary supporter |
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but when someone with Maya's stature, someone who worked alongside MLK, Carmichael and Malcolm X doesn't have a problem with Hillary and more than that supports her one has to sit up and take notice.
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Sun Jan-13-08 02:53 PM
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18. bzzzt. to you her endorsement is important and you place great |
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weight on it. Fine. It doesn't have much importance to me. Surely you're not suggesting that because YOU think it's so important and indicative of how wonderful Hillary is, I have to agree with you? I make up my own mind about things and whether it's Maya Angelou or Dyson, I'm not influenced by it. I've long said that the only endorsements that truly mean a thing to me are the endorsements of my two Senators, Pat Leahy and Bernie Sanders. I value their politial judgment highly. Maya Angelou? Not so muh.
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Sun Jan-13-08 04:30 PM
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20. It won't matter if they realize it or not, they're going to vote for her in Nov. |
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