I think the Clintons are acting out of frustration

[cali]

Sure, she never said she was inevitable, but it's obvious they didn't expect Obama to be such a threat. Now they don't know quite how to take him on, and they're just frustrated. He's ahead in SC and he's made up huge amounts of ground in NV. They just don't know how to handle it.

[Occam Bandage]

1. That's all I read out of Bill's "fairy-tale" comment. Dude was exasperated.

[cali]

4. yep, that's how I read that comment as well

They seem sort of befuddled and angry that this isn't just a stroll in the park.

[MethuenProgressive]

6. I agree with Bill that Obama's reported record on the Iraq War was a Fairy Tale.

Just the facts, ma'am.

[IndianaGreen]

7. Tweety suggested today that Hillary voted for IWR on advice of Bill Clinton

I think such a scenario is quite plausible!

[Occam Bandage]

10. I'm sure they generally confer with each other on many issues.

If you're against Hillary, though, that's not a smart line of attack; it lends strength to the idea that she was an integral player in the policy planning and execution of the Bill Clinton presidency, and in doing so supports her claim to greater experience.

[IndianaGreen]

18. Hillary's "greater experience" includes DOMA, DADT, SOA, Plan Colombia, rendition

It was Bill Clinton who began CIA torture in 1994. Add to that NAFTA, the illegal bombing of Sudan, Yugoslavia, and the use of Al-Qaeda trained Chechen fighters in Bosnia, and Hillary's record is one of war crimes, human rights abuses, and globalism.

[Arugula Latte]

14. The subtext was: Just shut up and nominate her. We've been expecting power...

Do not question the Clintons. Haven't you read that we are Inevitable?"

[book_worm]

2. I think you're right.

What's more the pity is if they continue to run the way they are against Obama they risk alienating black voters in November, should Hillary be nominated. If the AA vote isn't motivated and strong no democrat can win.

[Skidmore]

3. They don't know how to handle it and the ways that they have chosen to handle

it are just plain stupid. A question about judgment is justified on many levels.

[YOY]

5. The faux outrage in a few of their OPs are getting tangible

It's just getting obnoxious...I was put on ignore for pointing out Hillary's alientation of the youth vote with her antivideo gamr crap...amazing...

[tulsakatz]

8. I think that's why she had her emotional response in NH.......

I mean, this was supposed to be her turn and she thought a former First Lady running for President would be a relatively easy win.

Now she comes up against Obama and she just can't seem to score many points over him! Even in NH, she just barely won. And she's still got a long way to go and she just doesn't know how to overcome this obstacle named Obama.

[ellacott]

13. I agree

One of the pundits says that Hillary's time was actually 2004. He thinks she should have run at that time. I don't think she wanted to run against Bush.

[ccpup]

9. add to that the quotes taken out of context

and misquoted and, yeah, I can see where anyone would be frustrated. Plus Obama, by comparison, is getting a nice cushy free ride from the Media right now.

[wake.up.america]

11. May the best man or woman win!!! I happen to think John is the best choice.

Let's concentrate on the facts.

[DemCam]

12. Sorta like Bush, maybe?

[ccpup]

15. can you imagine what would happen if Bush had gotten even HALF

the media b.s. Hillary has gotten in this campaign? He would have been crying to his Mom and Dad every damn day!

[Bluerthanblue]

16. I think you are correct. Bill's comments that spawned

the "Fairy tale" storm, speak this pretty obviously to me.

Hope it is ok to post them here- I find the frustration and desperation in the words, (and if you'd heard them, the tone-)
pretty obvious.
Not scripted- more of an episode of lost composure. But ugly and regrettable none the less:

"But since you raised the judgment issue, let's go over this again. That is the central argument for his campaign. 'It doesn't matter that I started running for president less a year after I got to the Senate from the Illinois State Senate. I am a great speaker and a charismatic figure and I'm the only one who had the judgment to oppose this war from the beginning. Always, always, always.' "

"First it is factually not true that everybody that supported that resolution supported Bush attacking Iraq before the UN inspectors were through. Chuck Hagel was one of the co-authors of that resolution. The only Republican Senator that always opposed the war. Every day from the get-go. He authored the resolution to say that Bush could go to war only if they didn't co-operate with the inspectors and he was assured personally by Condi Rice as many of the other Senators were. So, first the case is wrong that way."



"Second, it is wrong that Senator Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgment and how he had been against the war in every year, numerating the years, and never got asked one time, not once, 'Well, how could you say, that when you said in 2004 you didn't know how you would have voted on the resolution? You said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war and you took that speech you're now running on off your website in 2004 and there's no difference in your voting record and Hillary's ever since?' Give me a break.

"This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen...So you can talk about Mark Penn all you want. What did you think about the Obama thing calling Hillary the Senator from Punjab? Did you like that?"

"Or what about the Obama hand out that was covered up, the press never reported on, implying that I was a crook? Scouring me, scathing criticism, over my financial reports. Ken Starr spent $70 million and indicted innocent people to find out that I wouldn't take a nickel to see the cow jump over the moon.

"So, you can take a shot at Mark Penn if you want. It wasn't his best day. He was hurt, he felt badly that we didn't do better in Iowa. But you know, the idea that one of these campaigns is positive and the other is negative when I know the reverse is true and I have seen it and I have been blistered by it for months, is a little tough to take. Just because of the sanitizing coverage that's in the media, doesn't mean the facts aren't out there.

"Otherwise I do not have any strong feelings about that subject."
Bill Clinton, 1/7/08 Dartmouth College, Hanover, N.H.

[DJ13]

17. Sure, she never said she was inevitable....uh yes she DID

Tuesday, Nov. 27, 2007 07:33 EST
Clinton: I will be the nominee

An appealing sense of confidence or an obnoxious sense of entitlement? How you view Hillary Clinton's exchange with Katie Couric last night probably depends entirely on how you view Hillary Clinton herself.

Couric asked Clinton how disappointed she'll be if she's not the Democratic nominee. "Well," Clinton said, "it will be me."

Clinton said, as she has before, that she'll support the Democratic nominee, whoever it may be. So that means that Clinton has at least considered the possibility that she won't be the nominee?

"No," she said, "I haven't."

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2007/11/27/clinton/

[cloudythescribbler]

19. Sure "frustration", but it's important not to overpersonalize things ...

with all the psychological analysis of the Clintons, we have a self-conscious, calculated pattern of remarks NOT overtly racist but racially provocative, including Andrew Cuomo's "shuck and jive" remark. We need to recognize modestly sophisticated race baiting WITHIN the Democratic Party (blasphemy!:wow: ) for what it is and deal with it effectively.

Straightening out what I see as like onion-layers of distortion and confusion (people seeing through one layer of BS only to truly believe or dishonestly spout yet a further layer) is crucial. This kind of layered set of illusions (well, Iraq had no WMD's but so what, we're there now, etc.) characterizes many issues in US politics.

If authentic progressives at the astroturf roots do our part, then the backlash against this PATTERN of race-baiting from the HRC camp could backfire among many NON-Blacks who are not part of the 'politically correct' left. That is where we need to look to.

As with the disenfranchisement effort underway in NV -- a REALLY great and less hazardous issue to highlight -- NO WAY progressives should simply let these things slide. Obama's reluctance to jump on the race-baiting issue was understandable and quite possibly the best strategy, with swarms of trolls here at DU STILL protestating that this is an Obama campaign strategy of baiting; hopefully our discourse can help ourselves and honest Democrats rise above the swarm-promoted BS, and onion layers of illusion and deception.