Here's an idea for both Clinton AND Obama

[MagsDem]

You are both currently US Senators. So instead of telling us you're ready to lead, why not lead RIGHT NOW? Neither one has shown the slighest bit of leadership on the real issues this country faces. They can come up with proposals for the future all day long, but neither one of them is actually trying to get anything substantial passed, nor did they in the lead-up to the campaign.

They are CURRENT US Senators that keep talking about being ready to lead while doing absolutely no leading whatsoever.

[sandnsea]

1. Would International Nonproliferation Legislation

be substantial to you?

[MagsDem]

4. Only if they were running for head of the United Nations

.... since that is where this will be debated and decided, internationally. :)

[sandnsea]

6. Nonproliferation Legislation signed

http://obama.senate.gov/press/070111-lugar-obama_non/

Not that I expect this to seriously matter.

[MagsDem]

8. Woo fricking hooo

So he supported the "expansion" of already existing treaty agreements that Bush wanted to give the US more US legislated reason and imperial authority to chase WMD boogy men. If that's the best you can do it proves my point for me.

[sandnsea]

10. As I suspected

Just another attack thread. Carry on.

[MagsDem]

14. leadership is rallying people to consensus....

on a difficult issue. To inspire, or lead colleagues on a path and show them the way to a address a challenging or difficult situation. Now, are you trying to say he had to rally and inspire his senate colleagues to pass a continuation and expansion of nonpoliferation treaties we have had in place for decades? Was there any controversy about this bill? Was it fraught with differences of opinion amongst other senators, and Obama pulled them all together on it?

No, absolutely not. Adding your name to basic legislation that is not controversial is not "leading." It's basically following, and trying to expand your very short resume to include something, anything about foreign policy.

[sandnsea]

16. Senate lobbyist reform

usaspending.gov

Initiatives that increase the participation of women and underrepresented minorities in the professions of science, technology, engineering and mathematics, establish a mentoring program for women and minorities in those fields, and offer competitive state grants to support summer term education programs (based on S. 116, the STEP UP Act, which Obama introduced in January).

Legislation that would require the VA to notify veterans living in states that have historically received below-average disability compensation payments, and provide them with information on how to request a review of past claims and how to submit new claims.

You can look it up if you want to know so badly.

[sandnsea]

11. dupe

although it could stand to be said more than once.

[TooBigaTent]

2. Damn, a simple, easy, productive suggestion. Thank you. I hope they listen.

[existentialist]

3. Why how can you say that of two recognized experts

in the field of triangulation?

[Cha]

5. Sez you and you didn't even know

that Ned Lamont endorsed Barack Obama..

Why I'm Supporting Barack Obama

Ned Lamont, January 10, 2008

When I decided to run for Senate, I did so because I deeply believed that the citizens of Connecticut were yearning to see fundamental changes in our politics – changes that would make government work for them again.

Today, with our Presidential primary in Connecticut less than a month away, I am announcing my support of Barack Obama for President because I am convinced that his forward-looking, progressive vision provides the best chance to enact meaningful reforms in the way Washington works.

Sen. Obama has the tone and temperament to bring out the best in our people and our nation, and to bring new coalitions together in support of the progressive policies we all want to see enacted. His campaign has already reflected this, not only by bringing hundreds of thousands of new voters of all ages to the polls, but by inspiring so many who are new to politics to become activists as well.

Making healthcare affordable for all Americans, rebuilding our aging infrastructure, and ending our dependence on foreign oil are all problems that require more than a tax credit here or an earmark there. Barack is the candidate best able to enact these big changes necessary to getting our country moving again.

We have seen that Sen. Obama has the wisdom and judgment to get the big decisions right – as he did on Iraq more than five years ago. And when President Obama steps out of Air Force One in countries around the world, he will represent a fresh start with friends and allies. He will end the war in Iraq, work for a comprehensive peace in the Middle East, and start investing in America again – and we will be safer and stronger for it.

We Democrats are fortunate to have had many strong candidates running for President. As you may know, I was proud to work hard for Chris Dodd during his campaign. I have the deepest respect and admiration for Sen. Dodd – especially for his powerful calls to defend our constitutional freedoms by restoring habeas corpus, closing Guantanamo, and living up to the spirit of the Geneva Conventions. I know that Sen. Obama, a former professor of Constitutional Law, has been and will continue to be Chris’ ally in fighting to protect our Constitution.

As Barack often says on the campaign trail these days, “with the challenges we face at this moment, the real gamble in this election is playing the same Washington game with the same Washington players and expecting a different result.”

It’s time to change the game.
http://nedlamont.com/news/2256/why-im-supporting-barack-obama

[MagsDem]

7. You can chase me in unrelated threads, but I have already responded....

I did know about it, but as I said, I am not as forgiving as Ned Lamont, and I don't really care who ANYONE endorses. Endorsements have absolutely no impact on who I vote for and never have. I don't believe they do for most people, but they do make the endorser feel important, so I suppose they serve some limited purpose. Me? I'm in the habit of thinking for myself. :)

[Cha]

9. Then you're disingenous and I'm

not chasing you so don't flatter yourself.. but you continue to post shit you're gonna get called on it.

[goku2008]

12. ethics

http://obama.senate.gov/issues/ethics_and_lobbying_reform/


obama was the leader in passing the best ethics reforms in the history of this nation,

harry reid backed obama up on cnn on this

[MagsDem]

15. He was assigned the job by party leaders, Reid and Pelosi

... and he was unsuccessful at getting anything passed with any real teeth. He was not even able to get his own party to put any teeth in the law. That's some leadership! Uni health care should be happening any day now (just as soon as "lead later", Obama, get elected POTUS).

If anything, that round convinced me he is NOT a good leader. Couldn't even get his own Dems in the Senate to support the house bill.

[sandnsea]

17. Oh bullshit

The only reason you know which lobbyists are doing what is because of that legislation. Why don't you read the legislation instead of whatever laundry list of talking points you've got.

http://obama.senate.gov/issues/ethics_and_lobbying_reform/

[MagsDem]

13. Disingenuous about what?

Definition:

1. withholding information: withholding or not taking account of known information


2. not genuinely sincere: giving a false impression of sincerity or simplicity

What does that have to do with Ned Lamont endorsing Obama and why endorsements don't mean jack to me? And if you aren't chasing me in threads, why are you posting about Ned Lamont's endorsement of Obama in a thread that has nothing to do with that?